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Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2024, 10:22:40 AM »
 If what I'm reading is something I find genuinely interesting of its own merit, I can read it easily and the information sticks. I can almost recite it verbatim. If, however, what I'm reading is something I don't find super interesting, I have to really, really focus on it and often re-read it a few times to hopeflly get the information to stick so I can recall it.
That sounds like me, and it really sucks how difficult it can be for me to remember what I read. Sometimes it just doesn't click, and I have to keep going over the same thing trying to get my brain to engage. Music and sound in general is very distracting to me, so I wouldn't listen to music while reading. I will say that learning to play an instrument by memorizing music to play on it really helps my memory, but I might still have to take a study/homework approach to reading, where I write down key points to make a study guide to keep myself fresh on the info. A study guide can be easy enough to memorize based on the short simple organization of it, which lends well to reading from a somewhat photographic memory obtained from memorizing musical patterns from sheet or other visual medium. By learning to recognize and memorize short patterns, you can develop a sort of memory compression where you focus on memorizing what is short and easy as a prompt to help you reconstruct what all it represents.

If you don't play any instruments, it may be frustratingly difficult and seemingly impossible for a while, but it will suddenly click and progress will get easier until you try the next major technique. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Don't practice your mistakes, and don't move on until you've sufficiently mastered what you are currently working on. Relatively inconsistent mistakes is sufficiently mastered to move on, though it's obviously not perfect. Consistent mistakes or difficult areas are what need to be ironed out.

Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2024, 03:30:17 PM »
You know what? I honestly don't know. I am a very visual person. I'd rather watch TV or a movie than read a book usually because I'd rather visually see what's going on than imagine it myself. That's not to say I don't do it, but it's just a preference. I'm not a huge fan of "obnoxious" things like flashing lights or loud noises just for the sake of it. When it comes to reading with music on, I'll have to try that sometime to compare. If what I'm reading is something I find genuinely interesting of its own merit, I can read it easily and the information sticks. I can almost recite it verbatim. If, however, what I'm reading is something I don't find super interesting, I have to really, really focus on it and often re-read it a few times to hopefully get the information to stick so I can recall it.

Thanks for your reply. I will ask you to consider one more thing. 

I've been learning recently about the problem of distraction in the spiritual life. Oft times we practically "bug out" if we are left in too much solitude and silence. When we are alone, and opportunities for prayer abound, yet we almost invariably direct our glance outward. We look for some kind of stimulation to avoid the inward glance, which is so indispensably necessary for prayer. 

I think it is safe for me to judge, based on your continuous pattern of posting your extreme discomfiture, that you are experiencing a serious interior crisis.

I judge further, based on many years of reading spiritual books, that this crisis is a call to prayer, a call to get closer to God, a call to seek Christ's help, and counsel, and light. Because, let's face it, no human being is capable of solving the problem you have repeatedly and consistently articulated. We know this because you tell us that you cannot solve it yourself, nor has anyone here solved it for you. Indisputably, it is a problem only God can solve; and if so, then God is calling you. There's no other possibility. 

What does He want from you? I think He wants you to redirect your attention from the exterior forum to the interior, and He wants you to begin praying with more assiduity.

Now you do persist in telling us that you are deeply lonely, almost to the point of extreme desolation; and that your heart's most ardent desire is for human friendship. These admissions clearly demonstrate that your mind and will (thoughts and desires) are radically directed "without," radically oriented to the outside world, and committed to a perpetual searching for exterior material objects, namely human friends. 

Another thing you tell us, is that your unhappiness is growing more and more intolerable. This clearly demonstrates that what you are doing and have been doing to solve your problem, is not the answer for you. 

God understands your autism, your limits, your heart, better than you do. There's a reason He has not given you human relief. He has allowed a great conflict to arise in your soul, and also a great crisis of the heart. For it is your heart that plagues you; as it is the heart that plagues every man, whether he be carnal or spiritual.  

In your personal calamity, I cannot perceive aught but a loud Divine call to stop whatever you are doing, put away your current mental machinations, and turn to God in prayer. But more than that, and this is important; it is a call to consciously fix your gaze upon your own heart, where He is going to meet you, and reveal to you two realities - your miserable state of soul, and His abiding Presence and Help.  

The answer to your problem is locality. You have left your own heart. You have left it unguarded and untended. You have left yourself and your Divine Lord all alone in your heart, while you roam about the world looking for a mirage.

You literally and consciously have to travel to your own interior, where you will encounter Jesus Christ. Go there, pull up a chair, and talk to Him about your life. Ask Him zillions of questions. He will never tire of you. Ask Him to teach you how to listen to Him and how to discern your own depths.    

Keep doing what you're doing. Keep scoping the exterior terrain, and keep being miserable. Or set your GPS (God Positioning System) to your innermost heart, where your "Human Friend" awaits you. 

 


Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #127 on: January 26, 2024, 10:35:26 AM »
Thanks for your reply. I will ask you to consider one more thing.

I've been learning recently about the problem of distraction in the spiritual life. Oft times we practically "bug out" if we are left in too much solitude and silence. When we are alone, and opportunities for prayer abound, yet we almost invariably direct our glance outward. We look for some kind of stimulation to avoid the inward glance, which is so indispensably necessary for prayer.

I think it is safe for me to judge, based on your continuous pattern of posting your extreme discomfiture, that you are experiencing a serious interior crisis.

I judge further, based on many years of reading spiritual books, that this crisis is a call to prayer, a call to get closer to God, a call to seek Christ's help, and counsel, and light. Because, let's face it, no human being is capable of solving the problem you have repeatedly and consistently articulated. We know this because you tell us that you cannot solve it yourself, nor has anyone here solved it for you. Indisputably, it is a problem only God can solve; and if so, then God is calling you. There's no other possibility.

What does He want from you? I think He wants you to redirect your attention from the exterior forum to the interior, and He wants you to begin praying with more assiduity.

Now you do persist in telling us that you are deeply lonely, almost to the point of extreme desolation; and that your heart's most ardent desire is for human friendship. These admissions clearly demonstrate that your mind and will (thoughts and desires) are radically directed "without," radically oriented to the outside world, and committed to a perpetual searching for exterior material objects, namely human friends.

Another thing you tell us, is that your unhappiness is growing more and more intolerable. This clearly demonstrates that what you are doing and have been doing to solve your problem, is not the answer for you.

God understands your autism, your limits, your heart, better than you do. There's a reason He has not given you human relief. He has allowed a great conflict to arise in your soul, and also a great crisis of the heart. For it is your heart that plagues you; as it is the heart that plagues every man, whether he be carnal or spiritual. 

In your personal calamity, I cannot perceive aught but a loud Divine call to stop whatever you are doing, put away your current mental machinations, and turn to God in prayer. But more than that, and this is important; it is a call to consciously fix your gaze upon your own heart, where He is going to meet you, and reveal to you two realities - your miserable state of soul, and His abiding Presence and Help. 

The answer to your problem is locality. You have left your own heart. You have left it unguarded and untended. You have left yourself and your Divine Lord all alone in your heart, while you roam about the world looking for a mirage.

You literally and consciously have to travel to your own interior, where you will encounter Jesus Christ. Go there, pull up a chair, and talk to Him about your life. Ask Him zillions of questions. He will never tire of you. Ask Him to teach you how to listen to Him and how to discern your own depths.   

Keep doing what you're doing. Keep scoping the exterior terrain, and keep being miserable. Or set your GPS (God Positioning System) to your innermost heart, where your "Human Friend" awaits you.

 
Praying, for me, is really hard. Probably due to my autism, I'm a results based person. It's really, really, REALLY hard for me to do things that don't seem to have any impact. Unfortunately, praying is one of these things. Do you know how many years I've prayed and asked God to help me make friends? When that doesn't work, I change it up and ask Him to help me deal with and accept my loneliness. When that doesn't work, I ask Him to to just help me in whatever way He sees fit. When that doesn't work I generally stop for a while. What happens is that when I really get into praying, I'll start to get hope that God is actually going to help me only to feel worse than previous when nothing changes or the situation gets worse.

I'm the kind of person who would have a good temp job, pray to get hired on full time, only for the project to be canceled and instead of getting hired full time, I lose the temp job. A while back, I was in a situation where I did have a group of friends. I remember consciously thanking God for that only for every single one of them to move away or something similar within a month of doing that. When someone asks me to pray for something, the first thought that pops into my head is usually, "trust me, you don't want me praying for you." :) There was one time when, as one of my rosary intentions I prayed for the end of abortion and the humorous thought occurred to me that maybe me praying for abortion to end caused more abortions to happen.

At this point in my life, I feel like I know God is not going to help me. I'm 45 years old and have been praying for these types of intentions pretty much my entire adult life. When it comes to God and my faith, I don't know what more to do. Should I pray and just have no intentions at all? 

Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2024, 12:30:52 PM »
Praying, for me, is really hard. Probably due to my autism, I'm a results based person. It's really, really, REALLY hard for me to do things that don't seem to have any impact. Unfortunately, praying is one of these things. 

I have had this sense of you from the get go. But think about something. 

You tell us that it takes you a while to get to know people. That you have to be in their company repeatedly before you can loosen up and find things to say (I paraphrase). This has been a problem for you because these opportunities are rare, if not non-existent. Nevertheless, in spite of the obstacles, you do not change in your desires. You insist that this is what you want. You want relationship, which requires time spent together and converse. 

Now consider prayer. It can be intense meditation, either by imagining Christ in the Gospels, or by deep considerations of Truths of faith. 

But also prayer is simply speaking with our Lord, as to our best Friend. And indeed, one does not go from zero to sixty with the Lord Jesus. Friendship with Him is a gradual process, a lifelong quest. He reveals Himself and gives Himself more intensely over time as a reward for a soul's steadfast dedication to Him and love for Him. It's just like a human friendship. There must be interest and attention on both sides. There must be reciprocity in kind and degree. Friendship grows over time, but only when both parties fully participate it. 

You report that you are very capable of making petitions to God; but are you attracted to Him? Does He, as the Incarnate Word of the Father, interest you for His own sake? Do you desire to know Him more deeply? Do you want to know everything He said and what He thinks about everything? Do you want to be close to Him? Do you look at Him and marvel at His loveliness and His wisdom? Do you long for His love? I say, does He interest you? 

Not to sound coarse or unfeeling, but is He nothing more than a slot machine to you? You put your quarter in and see what, if anything, comes out.

Consider: He assumed a human nature. He is capable of every interior motion that you are capable of. He loves, He weeps, He gets angry, He expresses indignation at ingratitude. He cultivates friends, and even gives priority of affection to certain individuals, always because of their love and devotion to Him. He experiences profound sorrow when souls pay no attention to Him, ignore Him, have no interest in Him for His own sake, neglect even the most rudimentary courtesies and shows of love and devotion and friendship. He is offended when people treat Him like a slot machine. 

Have you ever made this petition to Him? "O Jesus, that I may love Thee." 

I tell you, Bataar, He is not a Savior to be trifled with. 

If you do not love the Lord Jesus, then the reason you have no friends is not that He won't help you, it is that your heart is ice cold.

Blame autism all you want. It's not autism's fault. I suspect that you are not asking Christ for the graces He wills to give you. You are not asking Him for His own Friendship and His own Love.

I tell you, Bataar, He is not a Savior to be trifled with.

 And now, as far as my replies on this thread are concerned, "Consummatum est." 



Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2024, 02:07:10 PM »
I have had this sense of you from the get go. But think about something.

You tell us that it takes you a while to get to know people. That you have to be in their company repeatedly before you can loosen up and find things to say (I paraphrase). This has been a problem for you because these opportunities are rare, if not non-existent. Nevertheless, in spite of the obstacles, you do not change in your desires. You insist that this is what you want. You want relationship, which requires time spent together and converse.

Now consider prayer. It can be intense meditation, either by imagining Christ in the Gospels, or by deep considerations of Truths of faith.

But also prayer is simply speaking with our Lord, as to our best Friend. And indeed, one does not go from zero to sixty with the Lord Jesus. Friendship with Him is a gradual process, a lifelong quest. He reveals Himself and gives Himself more intensely over time as a reward for a soul's steadfast dedication to Him and love for Him. It's just like a human friendship. There must be interest and attention on both sides. There must be reciprocity in kind and degree. Friendship grows over time, but only when both parties fully participate it.

You report that you are very capable of making petitions to God; but are you attracted to Him? Does He, as the Incarnate Word of the Father, interest you for His own sake? Do you desire to know Him more deeply? Do you want to know everything He said and what He thinks about everything? Do you want to be close to Him? Do you look at Him and marvel at His loveliness and His wisdom? Do you long for His love? I say, does He interest you?

Not to sound coarse or unfeeling, but is He nothing more than a slot machine to you? You put your quarter in and see what, if anything, comes out.

Consider: He assumed a human nature. He is capable of every interior motion that you are capable of. He loves, He weeps, He gets angry, He expresses indignation at ingratitude. He cultivates friends, and even gives priority of affection to certain individuals, always because of their love and devotion to Him. He experiences profound sorrow when souls pay no attention to Him, ignore Him, have no interest in Him for His own sake, neglect even the most rudimentary courtesies and shows of love and devotion and friendship. He is offended when people treat Him like a slot machine.

Have you ever made this petition to Him? "O Jesus, that I may love Thee."

I tell you, Bataar, He is not a Savior to be trifled with.

If you do not love the Lord Jesus, then the reason you have no friends is not that He won't help you, it is that your heart is ice cold.

Blame autism all you want. It's not autism's fault. I suspect that you are not asking Christ for the graces He wills to give you. You are not asking Him for His own Friendship and His own Love.

I tell you, Bataar, He is not a Savior to be trifled with.

 And now, as far as my replies on this thread are concerned, "Consummatum est."
I pray to help get to know Him more and to increase my desire to get to know Him more and to strengthen my faith and help me love Him more, but again, those are intentions. When I mentioned the situation several years ago where I had a group of friends and lost them all, one of them was a Chinese friend I went to college with. We were really good friends for several years and eventually, he met another group of Chinese people his own age and pretty much started hanging out with them exclusively. Before I realized what was going on, I'd still try to connect with and hang out with him. I'd call him and leave a voicemail. Eventually, I stopped leaving voicemails as I never got a call back. After a little bit longer, I stopped calling altogether. Friendship is a two way street, if only one person is trying to communicate, it doesn't work. That's how I feel it is with God. When I pray, it's akin to me leaving a voicemail for God, one that never gets a response. Eventually, you lose the urge to call. I haven't give up completely and still pray and go to Mass and keep the traditional rules of fasting, etc, but it's hard to pray when it feels like it has absolutely zero impact on anything. 

Let's be honest, God is God. He doesn't need me for anything. I need Him. He obviously created me for a purpose, one that I'm probably failing at as I have no idea what it is, but whether I fail or succeed at that purpose, it will likely have no great impact on God's nature or anything of the sort. I was always taught that doing God's will will be hard and a great trial, but there is a joy to following God's will, even if it's just an internal joy. Maybe I was taught wrong, but I'm not feeling any joy which leads me to believe I'm not following God's will. How can someone be following God's will but have no realistic hope for anything and is merely looking forward to their death? I'm not suicidal or anything like that so there's no need to worry on that front. If I'm not following God's will, how do I follow it when I have no idea what it is and no matter how much I pray about it, nothing changes?