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Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2023, 12:24:34 PM »
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  • I happen to know that single ladies do attend that conference. ;-)

    This is MIQ's website:

    Livestreaming Mass – Mary Immaculate Queen Parish (miqparish.org)

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    his seems like a larger parish.  I have to think they have a social after mass there.  Also, I see they have Saturday catechism classes for adults. All opportunities to meet others!
    Right on. I'll have to check out their class as well. I do attend a catechism class at my church, but it's not a setting that fosters any personal interaction. People show up right before the priest and briefly talk with the people they know. The priest gives his talk then everyone leaves. I'll have to check out MIQ to see if it's any different. 


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #61 on: March 23, 2023, 12:27:32 PM »
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  • Right on. I'll have to check out their class as well. I do attend a catechism class at my church, but it's not a setting that fosters any personal interaction. People show up right before the priest and briefly talk with the people they know. The priest gives his talk then everyone leaves. I'll have to check out MIQ to see if it's any different.
    It can't hurt right?  I just see how close you are, and I think this may be the answer to your prayers.  We actually watch their livestream every Sunday morning.  Fr Benedict is wonderful.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #62 on: March 25, 2023, 12:44:24 PM »
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  • So I just saw an episode of Frasier that perfectly espouses how I feel. Someone asked Niles if he was lonely and his response was, "Only at times when I'm all by myself, or other times when I'm with other people." That sums it up when you're not close with anyone. I have buddies that I can hang out with at a local cigar lounge and we talk and BS about various topics, but that's all it is. If I dropped dead tomorrow and suddently stopped showing up, nobody would notice. I've invited tem to do various activities and I'm lucky if I get a response back telling me they can't participate as usually my invites are just ignored. Hanging out with them at the shop can be depressing as well because eventually, one of them will start talking about their family and then other guys start and that just kind of leaves me feeling even more lonely and depressed than I wold have been had I just stayed home by myself.

    Some people are obviously called to a hermitage and lives of solitude. I don't feel like I am because it just leaves me so miserable. I can't find a single woman or even other guy friends. That makes life very hard for someone not meant to be alone. 

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #63 on: March 25, 2023, 01:11:17 PM »
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  • I think all of this  (below) is how the Catholic church should be, even for laymen, as we should be detached from worldly goods as we make use of them, obedient to God, our resolutions, our superiors (parents, boss, husband, priest, ect) and even our brothers, neighbors, and wife for the sake of charity in serving one another, and chaste in thought, word, and action according to our duty of state. We are social beings, and can't practice certain virtues very well if we are not interacting with others or simply living among them.

    You might as well replace the word brother with Catholic

    Community Life
    Community Life title=Community Life
    THE LIFE IN COMMUNITY IS ESSENTIAL IN THE LIFE OF A BROTHER
    No one can imagine a Brother of the SSPX who does not live a life in common. It is just impossible for him to live in any other way.

    What is community life?

    Community life or life in common, is none other than family life. In practice, it means to live with other members under a superior, inside the same building, following a common rule and schedule. Priests and brothers in a community rise together, pray together, eat together and work together. During the day, outside of meals and recreation, silence is kept, and an ever stricter Grand Silence is kept at night. The religious life is necessarily a community life, even for those who are not cloistered.

    What is its purpose? 

    According to Archbishop Lefebvre, our founder, the life in common is a means of maintaining priests and religious of a priory “within a true apostolate by a happy balance between the spiritual apostolate and the exterior apostolate.” Recognizing that without a solid and constant prayer life an apostle “is soon ready to give up everything.” The Archbishop precribed community life as a reliable way to ensure this life of prayer, since it provides silence, stipulates regular hours of common and private prayer, and encourages a holy fraternity. In addition, the core virtues of the exterior apostolate - fraternal charity, patience, prudence and generosity - have their place in practically every aspect of life in common.

    The Life in Common is Essential to a Brother’s Vows

    The religious, consecrated to God by the three vows, has the glory of God as his ultimate purpose: his whole life is a prayer. The life in common and the three religious vows work together perfectly to help him achieve this end.

    By the vow of poverty, the Brother renounces all personal rights over property, outside the allowances of his superior. This frees the Brother from many burdens and worries, which leaves his mind in peace and more free for prayer. 

    The life in common also protects chastity effectively. Not only is the priory free from the world’s snares; it also provides positive helps: the constant company of other community members, and a daily schedule which keeps the soul occupied in prayer and good works.

    Without self-sacrifice and generosity, the life in common cannot thrive. The brother already practices the spirit of obedience by following the daily schedule, but beyond this he does so by performing “any task requested by the superior.” Cleaning, cooking, secretarial work, building maintenance,  and running the sacristy can all be something the brother touches. 

    Conclusion

    Certainly one cannot imagine a brother who lives isolated from any community; his life is one of voluntary submission and dependence upon God, Who acts through the brother’s human superior. If it is true that the brother cannot live without his community, let it be said also that a community is blessed to have brothers under its roof. Theirs is the duty to maintain the zeal of priests and the fervor of the faithful, by their prayers and by demonstrating “their deeply religious spirit.” It was with this in mind that Archbishop Lefebvre said: “Let them be like the guardian angels of our communities.”

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #64 on: March 26, 2023, 12:06:29 PM »
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  • So I just saw an episode of Frasier that perfectly espouses how I feel. Someone asked Niles if he was lonely and his response was, "Only at times when I'm all by myself, or other times when I'm with other people." That sums it up when you're not close with anyone. I have buddies that I can hang out with at a local cigar lounge and we talk and BS about various topics, but that's all it is. If I dropped dead tomorrow and suddently stopped showing up, nobody would notice. I've invited tem to do various activities and I'm lucky if I get a response back telling me they can't participate as usually my invites are just ignored. Hanging out with them at the shop can be depressing as well because eventually, one of them will start talking about their family and then other guys start and that just kind of leaves me feeling even more lonely and depressed than I wold have been had I just stayed home by myself.

    Some people are obviously called to a hermitage and lives of solitude. I don't feel like I am because it just leaves me so miserable. I can't find a single woman or even other guy friends. That makes life very hard for someone not meant to be alone.
    In as big of a priory where you live...  Have you considered asking some of your married men friends to introduce you to some single women that their wives know?  If you ask enough men one of their wives might eventually know someone. Even if the men don't have time to hang out with you they might be able to talk to other people on your behalf.  Many good traditional Catholic marriages have been made from friends introducing other friends or aquaintances.  

    Also...  Have you asked for spiritual guidance as to your vocation from a priest?  I almost became a nun but a good priest showed me that such was not my vocation.  Most priests will make time for people to make an appointment for discussions of a vocation.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #65 on: March 27, 2023, 11:02:04 AM »
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  • In as big of a priory where you live...  Have you considered asking some of your married men friends to introduce you to some single women that their wives know?  If you ask enough men one of their wives might eventually know someone. Even if the men don't have time to hang out with you they might be able to talk to other people on your behalf.  Many good traditional Catholic marriages have been made from friends introducing other friends or aquaintances. 

    Also...  Have you asked for spiritual guidance as to your vocation from a priest?  I almost became a nun but a good priest showed me that such was not my vocation.  Most priests will make time for people to make an appointment for discussions of a vocation.
    Of my married men buddies, only 2 are Catholic. One of them travels a lot for work, I haven't seen or spoken with him for about 5 months and the other . . . . well, I just don't know him that well yet. I'm working on it, but I wouldn't expect he'd want to set his wife's friends up with someone he doesn't know very well yet either. Work in progress though.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #66 on: March 27, 2023, 02:22:44 PM »
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  • Volunteer at your church.  Try to join activities/work days.  There's always something to do and you'll meet people while working.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #67 on: March 27, 2023, 04:32:19 PM »
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  • So I just saw an episode of Frasier that perfectly espouses how I feel. Someone asked Niles if he was lonely and his response was, "Only at times when I'm all by myself, or other times when I'm with other people." That sums it up when you're not close with anyone. I have buddies that I can hang out with at a local cigar lounge and we talk and BS about various topics, but that's all it is. If I dropped dead tomorrow and suddently stopped showing up, nobody would notice. I've invited tem to do various activities and I'm lucky if I get a response back telling me they can't participate as usually my invites are just ignored. Hanging out with them at the shop can be depressing as well because eventually, one of them will start talking about their family and then other guys start and that just kind of leaves me feeling even more lonely and depressed than I wold have been had I just stayed home by myself.

    Some people are obviously called to a hermitage and lives of solitude. I don't feel like I am because it just leaves me so miserable. I can't find a single woman or even other guy friends. That makes life very hard for someone not meant to be alone.
    I'm not sure that you aren't meant to be alone at this time of your life. You say you've always been alone, and you are now 44. That's quite a long time, and all the years of the formation of your character. 

    Sometimes God lays a heavy cross on people. It is not necessarily that you are meant to be alone as a vocation, but that He asks this particular suffering of you, for reasons known only to His inscrutable wisdom. In a sense, He has prepared you for the rigors of this kind of anguish by training you up in loneliness. I know that many on this forum can speak to this, as can I. 

    Consider how many people there are who had true vocations to the priesthood or religious life, or even married life; but rather than fulfill these vocations, God asks them to suffer the terrible privations and pains caused by not realizing them. Each one of us has a Cross uniquely fabricated by the Master, the carrying of which makes up for what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ. Col. 1:24

    I have yet to hear three things come forth out of your mouth:

    1) I, Bataar, love Jesus Christ above all things, even myself. 

    2) I, Bataar, am willing to suffer anything Jesus asks of me, because I love Him above all things, including myself. 

    3) I, Bataar, completely submit, without reserve, to all the crosses, trials, and pains Jesus asks of me, for His love - even unto the abject failure of my mortal life's every hope and dream.

    Whom do you love, Bataar? 

    Do you have an intimate friendship with God? If you don't, then your crisis of loneliness is actually a Divine call. He may very well be stinging you with darts of anguish, all the while closing temporal doors, so that you begin to earnestly seek Him. 

    I have a strong sense that you are estranged from God. Open your heart to Him, not to men. You were trained up in loneliness as one called out of the world. The ache in your heart is for Him, but you must allow Him to teach you how to recognize that and truly love Him. Only He can dilate and satisfy your heart. 

    Read The Confessions by St. Augustine. 


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #68 on: March 27, 2023, 05:37:17 PM »
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  • I'm not sure that you aren't meant to be alone at this time of your life. You say you've always been alone, and you are now 44. That's quite a long time, and all the years of the formation of your character.

    Sometimes God lays a heavy cross on people. It is not necessarily that you are meant to be alone as a vocation, but that He asks this particular suffering of you, for reasons known only to His inscrutable wisdom. In a sense, He has prepared you for the rigors of this kind of anguish by training you up in loneliness. I know that many on this forum can speak to this, as can I.

    Consider how many people there are who had true vocations to the priesthood or religious life, or even married life; but rather than fulfill these vocations, God asks them to suffer the terrible privations and pains caused by not realizing them. Each one of us has a Cross uniquely fabricated by the Master, the carrying of which makes up for what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ. Col. 1:24

    I have yet to hear three things come forth out of your mouth:

    1) I, Bataar, love Jesus Christ above all things, even myself.

    2) I, Bataar, am willing to suffer anything Jesus asks of me, because I love Him above all things, including myself.

    3) I, Bataar, completely submit, without reserve, to all the crosses, trials, and pains Jesus asks of me, for His love - even unto the abject failure of my mortal life's every hope and dream.

    Whom do you love, Bataar?

    Do you have an intimate friendship with God? If you don't, then your crisis of loneliness is actually a Divine call. He may very well be stinging you with darts of anguish, all the while closing temporal doors, so that you begin to earnestly seek Him.

    I have a strong sense that you are estranged from God. Open your heart to Him, not to men. You were trained up in loneliness as one called out of the world. The ache in your heart is for Him, but you must allow Him to teach you how to recognize that and truly love Him. Only He can dilate and satisfy your heart.

    Read The Confessions by St. Augustine.
    I want to follow God's will for me and love God with my whole heart and entire existence. I've long believed that I must not be doing it right but I don't know how or what to change. I've always been taught and believed that by doing God's will, you will suffer, but will ultimately get some kind of joy or something out of it. Someone in this thread even mentioned that earlier. Experiencing decades of near hopelessness, loneliness, and pointlessness and misery leads me to believe that I'm not doing something right, but prayer for strength and the guidance to recognize and follow God's wll has been pointless as well. When you have a steady, lifelong stream of the following events happen, it's hard to persist:

    Having a temp/contract job and learning that an opportunity exists to get hired full time. After praying for it to happen, the project I'm on gets canceled and instead of getting the full time job, I lose the temp job.

    At one point, a little over 10 years ago, I did have a good group of close friends. I made prayers of thanksgiving to God for finally allowing it. Within a month, most of them moved away, got married or some such thing and the entire group fell apart and contact was lost leading me back to loneliness.

    Befriending a Catholic woman who I was developing a good relationship with as friends and hoping to take it to the next level, but before that could happen, something came up on her end and she had to move to the other side of the country and ultimately contact was lost.

    Multiple other similar events . . . .

    Like I said earlier, God definitely calls people to hermetic life. I don't believe that's what I'm called to (perhaps I'm wrong) because I don't think I have the strength and mental capacity and fortitude to handle it.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #69 on: March 27, 2023, 08:19:18 PM »
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  • I want to follow God's will for me and love God with my whole heart and entire existence. I've long believed that I must not be doing it right but I don't know how or what to change. I've always been taught and believed that by doing God's will, you will suffer, but will ultimately get some kind of joy or something out of it. Someone in this thread even mentioned that earlier. Experiencing decades of near hopelessness, loneliness, and pointlessness and misery leads me to believe that I'm not doing something right, but prayer for strength and the guidance to recognize and follow God's wll has been pointless as well. When you have a steady, lifelong stream of the following events happen, it's hard to persist:

    Having a temp/contract job and learning that an opportunity exists to get hired full time. After praying for it to happen, the project I'm on gets canceled and instead of getting the full time job, I lose the temp job.

    At one point, a little over 10 years ago, I did have a good group of close friends. I made prayers of thanksgiving to God for finally allowing it. Within a month, most of them moved away, got married or some such thing and the entire group fell apart and contact was lost leading me back to loneliness.

    Befriending a Catholic woman who I was developing a good relationship with as friends and hoping to take it to the next level, but before that could happen, something came up on her end and she had to move to the other side of the country and ultimately contact was lost.

    Multiple other similar events . . . .

    Like I said earlier, God definitely calls people to hermetic life. I don't believe that's what I'm called to (perhaps I'm wrong) because I don't think I have the strength and mental capacity and fortitude to handle it.

    Bataar, this is the best post you've written. Now I think I can see you better.

    I understand what you are going through, as I too have had a lifelong series of unremitting and almost incomprehensible events that have shattered every hope and dream I might have conjured. I am almost twenty years your senior, and do testify to you that your plight could go on for an even longer time. No one knows the future, but there are many people who suffer their entire lives - but then they possess God for all eternity in Heaven.

    Our Lady told holy Jacinta of Fatima that She could not promise Jacinta happiness in this life, but She could promise happiness in the next.

    I see clearly, now that you have provided some specifics, that you are suffering from events that are absolutely out of your control. This means you are squarely inside God's holy will for your life. You are not doing something wrong. I think you are confused though, and it is very understandable. Also, you are weary and tired of suffering. I understand.

    As for myself, I stopped praying for temporal outcomes a very long time ago. My entire focus is on prayer and study. I ask for spiritual graces, most of the time, and I commend other souls to God.

    I don't think there is any perfect thing to say to you to help you. But lately, with regard to my own spiritual journey, I have been considering more and more how unique we all are, and how each one of us is called to reflect, not only some attribute of God's perfection and virtue, but also some aspect of Christ's suffering during His earthly life.

    Lonely people, I think, often compare themselves to others, and this causes tremendous pain. They may feel like outcasts and as if they have been rejected by God and men. When you contemplate your own painful predicament, and especially when you fully own that God is directing your life, and, in a sense, isolating you through your circuмstances, ask the Lord to help you know what aspect of His own dire suffering you are participating - for His glory.

    You mention a belief you have, that by doing God's will, you will suffer, but will ultimately get some kind of joy or something out of it. There is only one good we can set our hopes on - eternal life. All other goods are transitory, and none of them have been promised to us. Only eternal life has been promised, and this promise is conditional, as it rests upon our co-operation with grace. If we set our hopes on anything temporal, we are setting ourselves up for a perpetual dashing against the rocks of disappointment. All temporal goods must be objects, not of desire, but of detachment.

    Yet your pain and anguish are precious to Christ. We can be truly detached, but this does not take away pain. We have a nature, and the pain we feel is caused by privations of things our nature sorely craves - love, friendship, sympathy, human society. 

    Think of our Lady. She had to absolutely detach from the good of Her Son, so that she could obey the will of the Father that He undergo His Passion and Death. Her detachment was so perfect that She actually willed His Bloody Sacrifice. But Her love and Her finite human nature suffered such a martyrdom, as to be comprehensible only in the comprehension of eternal beatitude. We detach and yet we suffer exquisite pain - pain which rivets the Sacred Heart, and draws down His ardent and compassionate love.

    Human pain is a powerful magnet for the Divine iron.

    Catholicism is the religion for the longsuffering.

    Jesus saith (Proverbs 23:26): Son, give Me thy heart.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #70 on: March 27, 2023, 08:57:50 PM »
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  • I want to follow God's will for me and love God with my whole heart and entire existence. I've long believed that I must not be doing it right but I don't know how or what to change. I've always been taught and believed that by doing God's will, you will suffer, but will ultimately get some kind of joy or something out of it. Someone in this thread even mentioned that earlier. Experiencing decades of near hopelessness, loneliness, and pointlessness and misery leads me to believe that I'm not doing something right, but prayer for strength and the guidance to recognize and follow God's wll has been pointless as well. When you have a steady, lifelong stream of the following events happen, it's hard to persist:

    Having a temp/contract job and learning that an opportunity exists to get hired full time. After praying for it to happen, the project I'm on gets canceled and instead of getting the full time job, I lose the temp job.

    At one point, a little over 10 years ago, I did have a good group of close friends. I made prayers of thanksgiving to God for finally allowing it. Within a month, most of them moved away, got married or some such thing and the entire group fell apart and contact was lost leading me back to loneliness.

    Befriending a Catholic woman who I was developing a good relationship with as friends and hoping to take it to the next level, but before that could happen, something came up on her end and she had to move to the other side of the country and ultimately contact was lost.

    Multiple other similar events . . . .

    Like I said earlier, God definitely calls people to hermetic life. I don't believe that's what I'm called to (perhaps I'm wrong) because I don't think I have the strength and mental capacity and fortitude to handle it.
    I 100% get it. But, I just don't know what advise to give. It has happened to me, but I got out of it somehow.

    I think part of it may have been that I either learned or obtained what I was supposed to, or I at least got on the right path to get there. Like loosing the path to heaven as it gets increasingly narrow and difficult to see in this world, and God using what you are going through to help me stop and take a closer look until I found the path again and followed it. The hard part is finding the right balance of lifestyle, such that using worldly things to help you to heaven (even recreation can be important) does what it needs to without causing you to overindulge or get distracted from the end goal. The Bishop Fellay sermon I posted a week or 2 ago mentions how we tend to shift our focus from the end goal that we use tools for, to the tools and means themselves. It's hard for me sometimes to get motivated, and if I do, without becoming overly attached to hobbies and certain work and activities I like. The goal is perfection, virtue, the balance between too much and too little. Sometimes it simply comes down to just doing what you know is right, even if it doesn't feel: good, right, or like God is giving his approval or not. It's kind of like emotions; they are useful, and a good thing made by God, but due to their imbalance caused by original sin, it is better to do without them and act on the intellect alone, if they work against us. Way too often are people blinded beyond all reason by infatuation, anger, depression, just to name a few emotional problems.

    Saving your soul is your top priority. Travel however far you need to get/do whatever will help you. We need many religious community type centers for catholics to take their vacations at. I did something like that, because it was the only way I knew that would get me back on track. God answered my prayers, and let me stay at a religious community for as long as I had hoped for. Getting daily mass, and attending community office, benediction, and eating, recreating, and working with very kind cheerful catholics allowed me to restore my prayer life, and otherwise refresh myself, even though they stay wasn't free from difficulties; that's life. Now I have the strength, though it seems barely, to live it an environment I thought was impossible to successfully live in as a catholic (think your situation: alone in the world), but I may have to find a catholic community to stay with to relieve myself of my current struggles, to take my spiritual life to the next level. 

    Community is important. You have others to motivate you as you help them, and they help you. It is easy to get motivated to do things you see others do. Accountability and peer pressure are strong things that can be of much benefit. Recreation with others can be several times more valuable with others than alone. You are in each other's thoughts to often pray for one another. It's a win-win at all times.


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #71 on: March 28, 2023, 10:49:35 AM »
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  • Bataar,

    I thought of you throughout listening to this podcast. 



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    « Reply #72 on: July 09, 2023, 03:47:52 PM »
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  • Keep praying for me, please. Not sure why, but this pain feels a lot worse lately. I'm not suicidal by any means, but I'm 44 and feel like I'm just waiting to die as my life has nothing else going for it and I don't have anything to realistically hope for. 

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    « Reply #73 on: July 09, 2023, 04:21:14 PM »
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  • That must be terrible for you, Bataar.

    :pray::pray::pray:
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #74 on: July 09, 2023, 05:06:18 PM »
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  • I have known quite a few people that are suffering just like you, Bataar. Since they are not married and are in their mid-20’s and even more older than that, they truly come to the conclusion there is no purpose. After all, every single one of their friends are married and have six or so children. It’s hard not to pity such individuals that yearn to know His Will and over all for them to have a a spouse and children to come home to. 

    This kind of life needs to be talked about more. Marriage is way too common. Let’s talk about those that are growing much older and are still struggling in “knowing their vocation.”  One thing I have learned is this and it’s becoming truer every day: For those that have everything handed to them so young without working hard for it, do not know a day of waiting in their life. 

    Prayers for you and for all those that feel this way! 
    “The good God does not need years to accomplish His work of Love in a soul; one ray from His Heart can, in an instant, make His flower bloom for eternity.” 
    ~ St. Therese of Lisieux