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Offline Vintagewife3

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Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2019, 02:16:03 PM »
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  • Right, I should have mentioned that. They would literally die before ruining their chances at Mr. Olympia. Ronnie Coleman’s docuмentary was pretty cool, but the generation iron 1,2, and 3 talk more about their diets.


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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #91 on: January 18, 2019, 02:17:03 PM »
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  • Patently false. While eating a fatty diet, the more sedentary the person, the fatter they become...
    Sedentary lifestyle and a high fat diet is the quickest road to obesity, diabetes, and stroke & heart disease.
    Someone has clearly never heard of the concept of "percentages". A small percentage of a huge amount can still be quite a lot, dingus. If you put on every ounce of fat you ate you could gain pounds in a day if you tried hard enough. That's just physically not possible. 


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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #92 on: January 18, 2019, 02:19:28 PM »
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  • You were implying carbs can replace protein. They cannot.
    No I wasn't. Another strawman fallacy by you.

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    Once again you go off topic, make a completely false statement, get corrected, and then yell "red herring" so you can just ignore the correction.
    You're lying, again, and then you accuse me of doing the very thing of which you're guilty.

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    What's wrong with fructose anyway, I thought you were pro-sugar?
    I never said anything bad about fructose.

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    The word calorie is not even mentioned once in any of those studies. I asked for the calorie study in perfectly good faith, saying I actually agreed with you there but I wanted to see what proof you'd found.
    You're lying, again. You never read the studies in that thread. You'd still be reading them if you honestly sought the truth. You're simply trolling because you have low self esteem about your own fitness level. LOL

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    Fat just provide components which CAN be used to make new fats in the body.
    Fat will cause a person to store fat in much higher quantities than any other nutrient. It's very difficult to burn it off because people don't have the energy to sustain the expenditure of fat for energy. Keto diets = low energy.

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    You don't have to eat fats for your body to make fat. Again, you make a completely false statement and then backtrack without admitting it.
    Another strawman argument. I never said such thing.
     
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    Burning less calories is not a good thing if losing weight or maintaining a low weight is what you're after.
    I never said otherwise. Do you know how to read, or are you being flat out dishonest with strawman argumentation?

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    Pity you couldn't finish the paragraph. The release of energy is not the only thing your body needs food for, dingus. Carbs are also better at providing energy than water, do you stop drinking water too?
    Pity you couldn't refrain from a Begging The Question Fallacy. You lose, again.
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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #93 on: January 18, 2019, 02:24:25 PM »
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  • Another strawman argument. I never said such thing.

    You said fats are immediately stored as fat. Blatant lie. Then after you got corrected, you claimed that you wear the fat you eat, another lie. Then I explained basic percentages to you and how other food types can also be made as fats, and now you realise you can't even lie again to get yourself out of this one so you just "nuh uh!" as usual.

    I never said otherwise. Do you know how to read, or are you being flat out dishonest with strawman argumentation?
    You said burning less calories on digesting it was a good thing. Anyone can scroll up and see this.

    And asking a question is not the begging the question fallacy. I really can't be bothered responding to any more of your posts when the very first line of substance you gave, after all the "nuh uhs!" as is standard for your posts, was a complete and blatant lie.  

    I said that none of your studies mentioned the word calorie, an objective fact. And you go "nuh uh". You can check your own thread moron, see for yourself that I already know your own studies better than you. I asked you for a study showing how calorie restriction didn't matter on a high carb diet, you provided me with a list of studies where NOT A SINGLE ONE even mentioned the word calorie, and now because you're too lazy or perhaps too ill-willed to check your own thread and correct yourself, you're just denying an objective, verifiable fact. Anyone here can click into your thread and cntrl + f calorie to quickly check for themselves and see you're a blatant liar. Not worth the time arguing with obstinate ignorants who spit on the truth. Despicable.

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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #94 on: January 18, 2019, 02:25:55 PM »
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  • Bodybuilders literally do not touch fat.... I’d suggest you guys watch the generation iron docuмentaries.
    I know. They use testosterone to not only build muscle, but to burn existing fat. Testosterone burns fat. If animal protein was enough to build muscle to the level they seek, they would still use testosterone to burn fat.
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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #95 on: January 18, 2019, 02:29:27 PM »
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  • I know. They use testosterone to not only build muscle, but to burn existing fat. Testosterone burns fat. If animal protein was enough to build muscle to the level they seek, they would still use testosterone to burn fat.
    No one said animal protein is all they use, but they still need it and a metric shitton of it. You can't build muscle on a low protein diet, that's a fact. 

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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #96 on: January 18, 2019, 02:33:58 PM »
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  • Asking a question is not the begging the question fallacy.
    You demonstrate more ignorance. Here you go, learn something since you refuse to learn about The Logos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

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    No one said animal protein is all they use,
    I never said anyone made that argument. You're committing another strawman by accusing me of a strawman. Your brain must be low on glucose. You're not too bright.

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    I really can't be bothered responding to the rest when the very first line of substance you gave, after all the "nuh uhs!"
    This is code for conceding to the fact that you have no real argument, and your illogical thought processes have been called out ad astra.

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    as is standard for your posts, was a complete and blatant lie.
    The Accuser projecting his own guilt.

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    I said that none of your studies mentioned the word calorie, an objective fact. And you go "nuh uh". You can check your own thread moron, see for yourself that I already know your own studies better than you. I asked you for a study showing how calorie restriction didn't matter on a high carb diet, you provided me with a list of studies where NOT A SINGLE ONE even mentioned the word calorie, and now because you're too lazy or perhaps too ill-willed to check your own thread and correct yourself, you're just denying an objective, verifiable fact. Anyone here can click into your thread and cntrl + f calorie to quickly check for themselves and see you're a blatant liar. Not worth the time arguing with obstinate ignorants who spit on the truth. Despicable.
    LOL... so you're basically admitting that 1) you don't know how to read, or 2) you're too lazy to read the given citations, or 3) you fear the truth and being proven wrong, again, or 4) all of the above.

    Have some sugar. It'll improve your mood and energy. As for your lack of honesty, you need self-reflection and effort as a start to honesty... Good luck.
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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #97 on: January 18, 2019, 02:40:17 PM »
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  • You demonstrate more ignorance. Here you go, learn something since you refuse to learn about The Logos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
    Once again proving you can't even read your own links. It clearly says begging the question is assuming the conclusion is true to prove the argument is true, i.e what you did earlier in the whole Christ is Catholic debate. Asking you if you thought water is necessary to drink is not begging the question. Nowhere on that page does it say asking someone a rhetorical question to show the idiocy of their argument is begging the question.

    This is code for conceding to the fact that you have no real argument, and your illogical thought processes have been called out ad astra.
    I responded to everything you've already said, but I don't want to continue to argue with someone who's willing to blatantly lie.

    The Accuser projecting his own guilt.
    And yet you've been unable to point out a single lie of mine.

    LOL... so you're basically admitting that 1) you don't know how to read, or 2) you're too lazy to read the given citations, or 3) you fear the truth and being proven wrong, again, or 4) all of the above.

    Have some sugar. It'll improve your mood and energy. As for your lack of honesty, you need self-reflection and effort as a start to honesty... Good luck.
    I don't see what you're trying to do here. You're not fooling anybody. Everyone can click on your link and see that there is no mention of calories. Who are you even trying to fool by insisting on a lie that everyone can fact-check?


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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #98 on: January 18, 2019, 02:52:28 PM »
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  • Once again proving you can't even read your own links. It clearly says begging the question is assuming the premise is true because the conclusion is true,
    Exactly. That's what you're guilty of doing, not the question itself. Your skull is real dense, ain't it?

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    i.e what you did earlier in the whole Christ is Catholic debate.
    No. Your claim that my "conclusion didn't justify the premise" was completely refuted because I showed the premise supports the conclusion, and then you proceeded to make red herring fallacies and not contesting anything specific about my argument (because you know you'd keep losing). Btw, AGAIN, you show ignorance, for your quote above has Begging The Question backwards. LOL. You lose, again. LOLOL

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    I responded to everything you've already said, but I don't want to continue to argue with someone who's willing to blatantly lie.
    You responded with logical fallacies, lies and moving the goal post. Fail, fail, and fail. 

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    And yet you've been unable to point out a single lie of mine.
    You've been shown it many times. You're simply lying, again, or you're severely deluded. 

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    I don't see what you're trying to do here. You're not fooling anybody. Everyone can click on your link and see that there is no mention of calories. Who are you even trying to fool by insisting on a lie that everyone can fact-check?
    Don't be lazy, or is it that you really lack reading comprehension? Read those scientific studies, and see for yourself, boy. Get to work.
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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #99 on: January 18, 2019, 03:10:27 PM »
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  • The release of energy is not the only thing your body needs food for, dingus. Carbs are also better at providing energy than water, do you stop drinking water too?

    I want to point out ANOTHER logical fallacy here. Water doesn't cause a person to get fat. People can drink as much water with electrolytes as they want, and they won't gain a nano particle of fat on them because of it. Fat causes fat. Water simply rehydrates.

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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #100 on: January 18, 2019, 03:12:50 PM »
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  • I want to point out ANOTHER logical fallacy here. Water doesn't cause a person to get fat. People can drink as much water with electrolytes as they want, and they won't gain a nano particle of fat on them. Fat causes fat. Water simply hydrates.

    NNNNNNNNNNNEXT !!
    Not a fallacy moron, my point was that your body need things other than energy, so your assertion that you only needed carbs since carbs are the best at providing energy is wrong. Your reading comprehension really is non-existent.
    Now to quickly remind everyone, here's the list of studies he linked earlier: https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/rice-fruit-diet-reverses-ecg-changes-in-hypertension-an-archaeologic-dig/
    Just so you can see for yourselves that the word calorie isn't even mentioned once, as he's blatantly lied about multiple times now.


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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #101 on: January 18, 2019, 03:30:20 PM »
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  • Not a fallacy moron, my point was that your body need things other than energy
    Nope. Admit it. You illogically compared water to fat. Water doesn't cause fat deposits in the body and morbid diseases (barring legionaire's disease, hepatitis, etc), but fat does, indeed, cause it. Fat consumption causes fatty deposits in cells. Water simply rehydrates the body. A person can drink 100 gallons of water and not gain a nano shred of fat, but he can eat one bite of a taco with meat and cheese oily sauces, and fat will deposit in his body. Water is necessary for survival, and frequent consumption of water is necessary for normal human physiology. A person can abstain from fat and still live, because fat synthesis still occurs and even fruits and veggies can have enough of it to suffice for the body.

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    so your assertion that you only needed carbs since carbs are the best at providing energy is wrong.
    Another strawman. An 80% to 90% carb/sugar diet isn't an "only carb" diet.

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    Your reading comprehension really is non-existent.
    The Accuser projecting his own faults. What a shame.
     
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    Now to quickly remind everyone, here's the list of studies he linked earlier: https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/rice-fruit-diet-reverses-ecg-changes-in-hypertension-an-archaeologic-dig/
    Just so you can see for yourselves that the word calorie isn't even mentioned once, as he's blatantly lied about multiple times now.
    Yes, I invite everyone to read those splendid scientific studies. I have more, too.
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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #102 on: January 18, 2019, 03:36:57 PM »
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  • Nope. Admit it. You illogically compared water to fat. Water doesn't cause fat deposits in the body and morbid diseases (barring legionaire's disease, hepatitis, etc), but fat does, indeed, cause it. Fat consumption causes fatty deposits in cells. Water simply rehydrates the body. A person can drink 100 gallons of water and not gain a nano shred of fat, but he can eat one bite of a taco with meat and cheese oily sauces, and fat will deposit in his body. Water is necessary for survival, and frequent consumption of water is necessary for normal human physiology. A person can abstain from fat and still live, because fat synthesis still occurs and even fruits and veggies can have enough of it to suffice for the body.
    I never even used the word "fat" in that paragraph, nice try though buddy. Here's what I said:

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    "The release of energy is not the only thing your body needs food for, dingus. Carbs are also better at providing energy than water, do you stop drinking water too?"
    To anyone who's even mildly literate, it's clear my point is that the release of energy is not the only thing your body needs, in fact I explicitly stated that. And I never even mentioned the word fat. Yet you conjure up this mystical comparison to fat in your head to make yet another useless strawman argument, like the idiotic liar you are.

    And it still astounds me how you're such a cynical liar that you can't even cntrl + f your own studies and admit none of them are about calories at all.

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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #103 on: January 18, 2019, 03:46:31 PM »
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  • Gaining weight has nothing to do with fat.  It's about calories.  You have to eat less fat by weight since fat is more calorie-dense than carbs or proteins, having 9 calories per gram, whereas carbs and protein both have 4.

    If you do not have a calorie surplus, you will no gain weight ... regardless of the macro-nutrient breakdown.  This has been repeatedly proven scientifically.

    And, no, you won't gain weight if all you eat is sugar.  But eating nothing but sugar wreak havoc on the insulin system ... unless you were to REALLY spread it out, say eating one teaspoon of sugar every 15 minutes throughout the day.

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    Re: Struggle with stress and OCD
    « Reply #104 on: January 18, 2019, 03:46:59 PM »
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  • Were Trads as obsessed with diet and body weight back in the 1980s and 1990s?

    I don't remember ever hearing a discussion about diet in the SSPX tea room.

    I was super fit in those days and running 31 mins for 10,000 and sub 2.30 marathons.

    Frankly, given the state of the world, I am more than a little surprised at how many of you want to prolong your stay in it.

    I would be happy to pop my clogs at 70 and leave the fαɢɢօts and fools to their fates.  Especially if I get the luxury and convenience of eating tasty food between now and the day I die.