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Title: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: de Lugo on November 15, 2022, 11:29:08 AM
Stevia, a very popular sweetener, is a contraceptive.


(https://assistant.gloria.tv/1z94gyaCTBei3D8MsGrYwjE6j/zl6bnk1vykvee6i1kweepk0dw8enbatdriwyrkt.webp?scale=256&format=webp)

Please share as relevant:

Stevia, a very popular sweetener, is a contraceptive. I first learned about it through reptilian Paul Ehrlich, high up in the Obama administration and writer of one of the first definitive Amalek sources of “solutions” to the fictitious “problem” of overpopulation. (I bought this book, published in 1970, in hard copy because I wanted to have it to show to people).

“A South American weed, Stevia rebaudiana, has traditionally been used by the Indians in Paraguay as a contraceptive. Each day the women drink a cup of water in which the POWDERED WEED has been boiled.” (p227-28, emphasis added).

In recommending Stevia as a stealth method to curb “overpopulation,” Ehrlich further explains that animal experiments showed a 57-79% reduction in fertility lasting up to 2 months after use.

Stevia is the new “hot” sweetener, at every Starbucks and wherever else. It often goes by the name “Truvia” as well. Ehrlich’s suggestion was taken.


https://gloria.tv/share/LFH86JxJa67B1Qy4Bvrh9cQyq 

A quick Google search will reveal many other corroborating studies.
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: de Lugo on November 15, 2022, 11:35:52 AM
"A water decoction of the plant Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni reduces fertility in adult female rats of proven fertility. The decoction continues to decrease fertility for at least 50 to 60 days after intake is stopped. The decoction did not affect appetite and apparently did not affect the health of adults rats."

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.162.3857.1007.a 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: de Lugo on November 15, 2022, 11:36:52 AM
List of corroborating studies:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17744732/ 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: SoldierofCtK on November 15, 2022, 02:09:54 PM
Truthstream Media has a great video covering this:

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=_Y_ubswux58
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Nadir on November 15, 2022, 03:30:32 PM
Good find, de Logo.

I knew a man who grew it, but not for contraceptive intention. I doubt if he knew of its contraceptive qualities. I tasted the leaf and it was very sweet.


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A South American weed plant traditionally used by the Indians
Fixed it. A weed is an unwanted plant. (Pun intended)
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Philothea3 on November 15, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
:'( then would it be a sin to use it in daily life?? 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Giovanni Berto on November 15, 2022, 07:55:52 PM
:'( then would it be a sin to use it in daily life??

I say it would be a sin for married people to take it if they know that it diminishes their fertility.

There are other artificial sweeteners avaliable, right?And we can always drink coffee pure and bitter. The bitter becomes sweet after you get used to it. 

Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Philothea3 on November 15, 2022, 08:09:12 PM
I say it would be a sin for married people to take it if they know that it diminishes their fertility.

There are other artificial sweeteners avaliable, right?And we can always drink coffee pure and bitter. The bitter becomes sweet after you get used to it.
I think maybe I will not call it a contraceptive since it only "reduces" fertility instead of canceling it. So I don't think modern people would actually use it for that purpose and most people using it will still have a big chance of having children. There are lots of other food that reduce fertility, just maybe not as much.
https://celagem.com/en/clinica-de-fertilidad/foods-that-reduce-fertility/
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/64192#2

"The study showed that women who ate more than two portions a day of low fat dairy foods were 85 per cent more likely to be infertile due to ovulatory disorders than those who only ate it less than once a week.
Conversely they found that women who ate full-fat dairy foods, including ice cream, more than once per day had a 25 per cent reduced risk of infertility due to ovulatory disorders compared to those who ate full-fat dairy foods only once a week."


But it is possible that stevia was put in the market so widely as a depopulation tool and so as the other food.
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Nadir on November 15, 2022, 09:14:59 PM
Many women who use contraceptives according to instructions still become pregnant.  That doesn’t change the intent. The pill is designed so as to fail. If they made it foolproof more women would die as they did in Haiti with the experimentation. All contraceptives fail some times. 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: de Lugo on November 15, 2022, 10:18:14 PM
I think maybe I will not call it a contraceptive since it only "reduces" fertility instead of canceling it. 

By the same rationale, you should also not call condoms or the pill birth control, since they too only reduce fertility instead of cancelling it.
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Philothea3 on November 15, 2022, 10:25:33 PM
By the same rationale, you should also not call condoms or the pill birth control, since they too only reduce fertility instead of cancelling it.
The intent is the whole point. Almost nobody actually use stevia to prevent pregnancy.
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Philothea3 on November 15, 2022, 10:28:51 PM
The intent is the whole point. Almost nobody actually use stevia to prevent pregnancy.
And as I mentioned above, would using low fat dairy products be a sin too then if you know it reduces fertility and maybe even more significantly than stevia?
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: de Lugo on November 16, 2022, 05:19:55 AM
The intent is the whole point. Almost nobody actually use stevia to prevent pregnancy.

Actually stevia is a common contraceptive in South America, but if it is true as you say, that intention is the key, can women use the pill if their intent is no to prevent pregnancy, bu to obtain some other alleged medical benefit (or whatever)?
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Giovanni Berto on November 16, 2022, 10:40:03 AM
I would reconsider my opinion here.

When the woman uses hormonal contraceptives, neither the man nor the woman can require the debt. That much is clear. Even if it is taken for medical reasons.

About things that reduce fertility, and are not also abortive, like hormonal contraceptives, things are not so clear.

As the experiments are only animal and not human, and the reduction in fertility is not  scientifically certain in humans, and not over 90%, as in hormonal contraceptives, I would say that it is not a sin to use it.

Otherwise, it would be necessary to make a comprehensive research about anything we ingest. It sounds rather absurd to me.

I am obviously no expert, but using logic can go a long way.

If the couple uses it with the intention of reducing fertility, it would probably be only a venial sin, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: songbird on November 16, 2022, 11:54:44 AM
do we know how it works as a contraceptive?  On the brain?, on the uterus?  On the mucus? For example: Clomid, may make a woman ovulate, but the mucus is diminished.
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: ihsv on November 16, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
I felt obliged to look into this as we have grown stevia before for diabetic family members. First, it is important to understand that TrueVia and the like sold in most US grocery stores are either synthetic stevia or are mostly erithrytol, which is horrible for gut health and ought to be avoided. They aren't REAL stevia, and all bets are off. It would not surprise me if those sweeteners have the same effects as Nutrasweet.

Does anyone have an account with science.org to look at the 1968 study offered as proof? It would be good to know how they measured decreased fertility because we have much better technology for assessing such things as egg quality now than existed in 1968.

Also, did anyone go through the "corroborating studies" posted? Because when you do, you find this is the very next study:
Safety evaluation of aqueous extracts from Aegle marmelos and Stevia rebaudiana on reproduction of female rats - PubMed (nih.gov) (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17547081/)
So the "corroborating" evidence states exactly the opposite, that it posed no risk to fertility. The other links in the corroborating evidence" have nothing at all to do with stevia AND fertility, but stevia and glucose levels, etc...

Interestingly, I found several "health" websites that made the same claim and linked to the same set of studies, as well as this one:
933. Sweetening agent: Stevioside (WHO Food Additives Series 42) (inchem.org) (https://inchem.org/docuмents/jecfa/jecmono/v042je07.htm) And again, when you read the actual study,
Groups of 10 male and 10 female one-month-old golden hamsters
    (Mesocricetus auratus,) were force-fed with stevioside (purity, 90%)
    at 0, 500, 1000, or 2500 mg/kg bw per day daily. Each female was mated
    and allowed to bear three litters during the experiment. Females in
    late gestation and while lactating (one month) received stevioside in
    the drinking-water. Two weeks after the offspring had been weaned, the
    females were mated again. No abnormalities were found in the growth or
    fertility of animals of either sex. All of the males mated females
    efficiently and successfully; the females showed normal four-day
    oestrus cycles and became pregnant after mating. The duration of
    gestation, number of fetuses, and number of offspring were not
    significantly different from those of controls."




I can only wonder if this is a variation on the telephone game.


As for the initial claim that Indians used it for contraception, I had never heard of stevia as a contraceptive. But, if a tribe was using something that reduced fertility by 57-90 percent for hundreds of years, it seems that they probably would have died out by now.  Children are only a liability in modernized, industrialized society. In any other society, they are an asset. 57-90 percent would be a very strong contraceptive. For that matter, all the trad families that have been using it as a sugar substitute ought to have seen some effect by now instead of seven children under nine.  I did find the lawsuit of the tribe that introduced stevia to the world from when they tried to sue Coke for making a synthetic version and the tribal chief testified that it has been used at an anti-parasitic and a sweetener in their culture. Nothing about contraception. Hmmm...

And finally, if stevia is sinful, then so is sugar because there are loads of studies showing the effects of refined sugar. One soda per day reduces fertility in males and females by 20 percent, for example. This makes lots of sense because of the biology of how excess sugar is stored in the body (as fat) and fat producing estrogen.

End of analysis, take it or leave it.


Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Philothea3 on November 16, 2022, 12:11:00 PM
Again I'm not trying to be academic head here... But questions needed to be asked. Were you able to confirm any of those claims, including stevia tea being "common contraceptive in South America," and which study done in what year proved the effects of it?
Here's what I found: https://www.drhardick.com/stevia-infertility
Some are warning consumers to avoid stevia because it may reduce fertility. The root of this is a 1968 paper claiming certain tribes in Paraguay (Matto Grosso Indians) used stevia tea as a contraceptive.
To investigate this claim, Professor Joseph Kruc of Purdue University performed a study using rats (1968). He fed the rats stevia (enormous quantities by human standards), and they produced fewer offspring than the control group. (2 (http://healthfree.com/stevlife.html), 3 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17744732), 4 (http://www.popline.org/node/479253)) However, the study has been described as having dubious scientific methodology, and multiple studies attempting to replicate its findings failed. Kruc later admitted that the rats’ lower fertility rates may have resulted from his “overdosing” them on the compound. (5 (http://natural-fertility-info.com/does-stevia-cause-infertility.html))
Fast forward 20 years to Brazil, Professor Mauro Alvarez repeated the Kruc study and confirmed a contraceptive effect from stevia among female mice. However, his methodology was the subject of even more criticism. Many subsequent researchers were unable to find any fertility effects, so Alvarez eventually joined them in concluding that Stevia poses no threat to fertility. As for the Matto Grosso Indian tribes who supposedly used stevia for contraceptive purposes, at least one attempt by scientists to confirm the story reportedly failed.
There have been no human studies showing evidence of impaired fertility from stevia, yet the story continues to receive attention—even from the FDA, which continues to cite the above two studies as their main source of objection, in spite of all of the subsequent studies that refute stevia’s fertility effects. (6 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1874950))
But from what I read, pregnant women should still avoid it during pregnancy. AND Truvia is not actually stevia and it's quite harmful. And at this point I start to think maybe it was a conspiracy promoted by the whole refined sugar industry to reduce the natural "sugar" stevia's market, as many people start to be aware of the negative effects of sugar. ;)

Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Philothea3 on November 16, 2022, 12:14:39 PM
I felt obliged to look into this as we have grown stevia before for diabetic family members. First, it is important to understand that TrueVia and the like sold in most US grocery stores are either synthetic stevia or are mostly erithrytol, which is horrible for gut health and ought to be avoided. They aren't REAL stevia, and all bets are off. It would not surprise me if those sweeteners have the same effects as Nutrasweet.

Does anyone have an account with science.org to look at the 1968 study offered as proof? It would be good to know how they measured decreased fertility because we have much better technology for assessing such things as egg quality now than existed in 1968.

Also, did anyone go through the "corroborating studies" posted? Because when you do, you find this is the very next study:
Safety evaluation of aqueous extracts from Aegle marmelos and Stevia rebaudiana on reproduction of female rats - PubMed (nih.gov) (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17547081/)
So the "corroborating" evidence states exactly the opposite, that it posed no risk to fertility. The other links in the corroborating evidence" have nothing at all to do with stevia AND fertility, but stevia and glucose levels, etc...

Interestingly, I found several "health" websites that made the same claim and linked to the same set of studies, as well as this one:
933. Sweetening agent: Stevioside (WHO Food Additives Series 42) (inchem.org) (https://inchem.org/docuмents/jecfa/jecmono/v042je07.htm) And again, when you read the actual study,
Groups of 10 male and 10 female one-month-old golden hamsters
    (Mesocricetus auratus,) were force-fed with stevioside (purity, 90%)
    at 0, 500, 1000, or 2500 mg/kg bw per day daily. Each female was mated
    and allowed to bear three litters during the experiment. Females in
    late gestation and while lactating (one month) received stevioside in
    the drinking-water. Two weeks after the offspring had been weaned, the
    females were mated again. No abnormalities were found in the growth or
    fertility of animals of either sex. All of the males mated females
    efficiently and successfully; the females showed normal four-day
    oestrus cycles and became pregnant after mating. The duration of
    gestation, number of fetuses, and number of offspring were not
    significantly different from those of controls."






I can only wonder if this is a variation on the telephone game.


As for the initial claim that Indians used it for contraception, I had never heard of stevia as a contraceptive. But, if a tribe was using something that reduced fertility by 57-90 percent for hundreds of years, it seems that they probably would have died out by now.  Children are only a liability in modernized, industrialized society. In any other society, they are an asset. 57-90 percent would be a very strong contraceptive. For that matter, all the trad families that have been using it as a sugar substitute ought to have seen some effect by now instead of seven children under nine.  I did find the lawsuit of the tribe that introduced stevia to the world from when they tried to sue Coke for making a synthetic version and the tribal chief testified that it has been used at an anti-parasitic and a sweetener in their culture. Nothing about contraception. Hmmm...

And finally, if stevia is sinful, then so is sugar because there are loads of studies showing the effects of refined sugar. One soda per day reduces fertility in males and females by 20 percent, for example. This makes lots of sense because of the biology of how excess sugar is stored in the body (as fat) and fat producing estrogen.

End of analysis, take it or leave it.
Haha it's funny that we were both doing the analysis and I just posted mine. INTJ buddy by any chance? And I think it's rather weird for a premitive tribe to even use contraceptive, since for the tribes population is key in development and they will be most likely trying to get as much fertility as possible. You can click on the hyperlink in my response and find that paper.
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Nadir on November 16, 2022, 02:47:20 PM

About things that reduce fertility, and are not also abortive, like hormonal contraceptives, things are not so clear.

...

If the couple uses it with the intention of reducing fertility, it would probably be only a venial sin, in my opinion.
Regarding the first point, as I said earlier in this thread, Hormonal contraception is designed so it works as an abortifacient, if it fails as a contraceptive. See How the pill works and fails http://lifeissues.net/writers/wilks/wilks_04pillworks1.html

Regarding the second, If the couple uses it with the intention of reducing fertility it would probably be only a venial sin,
how isn't contraception intent not a mortal sin. 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on November 16, 2022, 04:43:39 PM
Sugar is luxury.  The generation that had ban on sugar and bread have lived to be 100 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Giovanni Berto on November 16, 2022, 06:47:48 PM
Regarding the first point, as I said earlier in this thread, Hormonal contraception is designed so it works as an abortifacient, if it fails as a contraceptive. See How the pill works and fails http://lifeissues.net/writers/wilks/wilks_04pillworks1.html
I agree with you. Hormonal contraceptives are also abortive.

My post should have been better worded.

Regarding the second, If the couple uses it with the intention of reducing fertility it would probably be only a venial sin,
how isn't contraception intent not a mortal sin.
In my opinion, reducing fertility is not the same as contraception. The couple might use the sweetener because they think it's healthier, even though they know that it reduces fertility. So there wouldn't be a contraceptive intent. 
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: Miles Christi on November 23, 2022, 05:38:41 PM
Stevia, a very popular sweetener, is a contraceptive.
Dude, that's in line with the rumors about the food and coffee being spiked with saltpeter in the mess hall when I was a private.  
Title: Re: Stevia (Sweetener) is a Contraceptive
Post by: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on November 24, 2022, 04:10:39 AM
Just eat real sugar. Avoid dietary fat. Fat is what causes disease and weight gain, not sugar. That fat you eat is the fat you wear. Artificial sweeteners cause diseases, too.

All I eat is sugar and carbs and veggies while I keep my dietary fat at 10 grams or less a day. I'm extremely fit and healthy with single digit body fat.

Sure, every blue moon I'll eat a fatty bucket of buttered popcorn, and I'll be sure to eat popcorn as I watch Russia publicly hang Zelensky after he's captured.