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Offline PG

Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2018, 11:35:54 AM »
Nadir -  I would love to grind my own grains and make bread.  I think one can control the level of coarseness from the grinder, and that seems interesting.  I wonder how that might affect bread.  Because, in some 3rd world cultures, they will smash the grains in like a giant mortar and pestle made of wood basically to get flour; but I cannot image the flour is as fine as stone ground, and certainly not as fine as what most bread is made from today.  And, imagine all the variety it would create.  It would create coarse,  mildly coarse, fine and extra fine all in one package.

In the late renaissance they started bolting bread, where they would sift our the larger ones and only leave the fines.  But, I wonder if the variance in the size of ground grain would help give a bread rise and preferable texture.  For one, there is definitely a difference in stickyness and hold you might say between finer dough and coarser dough.  Just look at desert doughs, they were usually made of soft whole white wheat rather than whole red wheat.  Because, the larger grains next to the finer grains may allow more air in the bread.  It is like with gold sifting.  If you have heavies in the bottom with the heavy fine gold, the gold will float more rather than sink, because(I think) more water is down at the bottom, and the heavy rocks displace the gold in the water.  I don't know all the science.  But, I suspect that having the wide(er) variety of ground grain aids in bread rise and the inside being done.  

A lot of organic breads to my disdain will ad chopped grain into their finely floured bread whether whole or refined, and it give it the coarse or chewey texture.  However, these chunks of grain are way too large, and harm my stomach(leakey gut) in many cases.  The result is too finely ground wheat combined with too un-ground wheat.  Imagine if that gap was brought closer together, the texture I think would improve.   

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Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2018, 11:41:54 AM »
Preheat your Dutch oven in your regular oven to at least 425 for 30 minutes and dump the bread in the hot pan, cover and bake maybe 40 minutes. Needs to hit a hot pan to get a good oven spring.
I was thinking along the same lines.  You have to hit it hot and fast in order to get oven spring.  And, in the end, that will be the desired rise.  I like the idea of preheating the pan/object you use rather than toying with the heat.  Because, in the days of fire ovens, you really couldn't do that so easily.  And a dutch oven would hold in moisture better than a large oven around a small piece of bread.  However, I also like a long bake time in order to get the insides dry the way I like it.  I think 100% whole wheat may demand it more.  But, I may be wrong.  I will have to just try it all and see what works.  


Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2018, 01:35:49 AM »
There have been previous thread on this topic. I have just done a search and come up with this from the women's section which I don't think the writer will mind sharing with the men:

Stir a quarter cup of water and a half cup of whole wheat flour into a glass bowl or jar every day for 7 days and that's about it. Keep it covered with plastic wrap. Around day 4-5 it should start smelling very sweet and yeasty and it's ready for use on day 7. Around day 4-5 you can switch to white flour so that you don't keep adding too many critters and the starter gets the chance to level off. There are many more tips and tricks online but that's all it really takes to get started. I use enough of it daily that I add a half cup of water to a cup of flour every day but once it's settled it can go dormant for weeks in the fridge or you can leave it on the counter and use/feed once a week.