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Offline PG

Sourdough bread
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:30:08 PM »
I recently decided to try to make some whole wheat bread.  So, I learned about bread, and I learned about sourdough.  And, I will say, I never liked sourdough growing up.  And, I cannot say I am thrilled about it still.  But, it turns out that this is how bread was made before modern science took over bread making.  And, it has been interesting.  After about 3-4 failed experiments, I finally made some bread.  I have been working at it all week, with one experiment per day.  Because, it has to have wild yeast, and that takes a bit of time.  And, it is true.  The truth to good bread is "time".  And, the reason I have failed so many times is that I am working on making no knead bread that only has wild yeast to make it dry with air pockets on the inside.  Making it rise hasn't turned out to be my specialty yet.  I don't like the idea of making a huge mess on the counter flopping bread around with my hands, and having sticky dough covered hands.  Kneading and recipes seem to take the fun out of it for me.  I add other ingredients into it like other grains and herbs to give it some character.  But, I like to keep it simple, meaning no recipes.  And, if you have ever looked on the ingredients of bread from the store, it normally looks anything but simple.  But, I have been successful as of today.  And, I continue the fight tomarro.    

Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 03:37:44 AM »
PG, I don't know about wild yeast, or at least I can't remember, but we used to make our own yeast by grinding the whole-wheat (about a cup from memory) in a stone grinder (it was a hand operated one at the time). That would go into a wide-necked (straight-sided) Fowlers Vacola bottle with enough water to cover. Then it would stand overnight on our bench (we lived in the tropics at the time). Next day the dough would be rising up the sides of the bottle. That's your yeast. You use some and keep some back for next batch. I don't know if the first one works too well.
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Then freshly ground flour into a bowl and add your starter, water, salt, and whatever else you want, but keep it simple to start until you find the right proportions. We always added some shortening.

You can do it so your hands and never touch sticky dough if you coat everything well with flour - the workbench, the dough and your hands.


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Kneading and recipes seem to take the fun out of it for me.
Ah! but kneading can be a very relaxing and contemplative exercise;), one you get into the swing of it. You'll get it done to a good rhythm. I read but never follow recipes. They're just good for ideas, as far as I'm concerned.

Happy baking!


Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 07:01:26 AM »
I used to make sourdough bread. It took a couple of weeks before the starter was ready and had enough wild yeast in it to use for bread. For about a year I made it. I really liked the taste but I could never get it to rise properly. I read about making it on the internet and I tried to get it to rise well, but I never was able to get the bread to rise well consistently. A few times the bread rose well and made perfect bread but most of the time it stayed pretty flat and I could not tell what the difference was between when it rose well and when it didn't. Even though the bread usually didn't rise well it had a very good taste. It was nice and sour which explains the name and I enjoyed eating it. Because I could never get it to rise well I stopped trying after a long time because I figured all the work I put into it was not paying off because most of the time the bread did not rise, but I thought it was a good experiment and I wish I could have gotten it to work properly because if it did I would have continued making it. I did really like having a jar of living yeast at hand full of bubbles.

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Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2018, 11:16:41 AM »
I used to make sourdough bread. It took a couple of weeks before the starter was ready and had enough wild yeast in it to use for bread. For about a year I made it. I really liked the taste but I could never get it to rise properly. I read about making it on the internet and I tried to get it to rise well, but I never was able to get the bread to rise well consistently. A few times the bread rose well and made perfect bread but most of the time it stayed pretty flat and I could not tell what the difference was between when it rose well and when it didn't. Even though the bread usually didn't rise well it had a very good taste. It was nice and sour which explains the name and I enjoyed eating it. Because I could never get it to rise well I stopped trying after a long time because I figured all the work I put into it was not paying off because most of the time the bread did not rise, but I thought it was a good experiment and I wish I could have gotten it to work properly because if it did I would have continued making it. I did really like having a jar of living yeast at hand full of bubbles.
Your experience sounds much like mine so far.  There is a baker in my town who make/sell exclusively sourdough bread at our farmers market, and they have to use the ready made packet yeast on top of the sourdough starter in order to get rise and consistent results.  I mean, why else would you use ready made yeast.  However, I think I may know how to get rise.  But, it will have to wait until tomorrow for me to find out, because I already baked today's bread, and my idea consists in how to heat it.  I also have a grape fermentation going.  You can use the fermentation of the grape water for your bread.  I guess it eliminates the sourdough taste, but still makes the bread become bread.  I have a couple more days until that is ready though.

Re: Sourdough bread
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2018, 11:32:05 AM »
Preheat your Dutch oven in your regular oven to at least 425 for 30 minutes and dump the bread in the hot pan, cover and bake maybe 40 minutes. Needs to hit a hot pan to get a good oven spring.