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Offline DLaurentius

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Re: Socialised healthcare
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2019, 06:40:27 AM »
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    • Here in the United States, the tenets of liberal capitalism are a major plank of the American right, and even the left to some degree. Many Republicans and some traditional Catholics in the United States are almost categorically opposed to any sort of state involvement in the healthcare system, or social welfare in general.

    I personally support government subsidized healthcare. However, I am wary of the dangers that could come with that, such as government funded abortions, euthanasia, and infanticide. 
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    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #16 on: February 01, 2019, 07:22:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: DLaurentius on February 01, 2019, 06:40:27 AM
    I personally support government subsidized healthcare. However, I am wary of the dangers that could come with that, such as government funded abortions, euthanasia, and infanticide.
    The big problem with government subsidized healthcare is the taxes we, (the ones with money or jobs) have to pay for all the people who do nothing, pay no taxes and get their health care free.

    Obama's evil mandate was all the incentive millions of people, here legally and illegally, needed to remain out of work. And of course the number of people not being charged anything while getting the benefits, grows and grows while the working stiffs pay the dead beat's doctor bills through sky high taxes. That's how our current government subsidized healthcare works - and it is terribly unjust and crooked.

         
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    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #17 on: February 01, 2019, 08:52:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: DLaurentius on February 01, 2019, 06:40:27 AM
    Here in the United States, the tenets of liberal capitalism are a major plank of the American right, and even the left to some degree. Many Republicans and some traditional Catholics in the United States are almost categorically opposed to any sort of state involvement in the healthcare system, or social welfare in general.

    I personally support government subsidized healthcare. However, I am wary of the dangers that could come with that, such as government funded abortions, euthanasia, and infanticide.
    I support it because this country is an oligarchy, fundamentally. Most of America is middle-class workers making $30k a year or less, and could not afford to financially survive a four or five-figure medical bill without significant trouble. They're going into more debt than they can handle to not die.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #18 on: February 01, 2019, 09:43:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: DLaurentius on February 01, 2019, 06:40:27 AM
    Here in the United States, the tenets of liberal capitalism are a major plank of the American right, and even the left to some degree. Many Republicans and some traditional Catholics in the United States are almost categorically opposed to any sort of state involvement in the healthcare system, or social welfare in general.

    I personally support government subsidized healthcare. However, I am wary of the dangers that could come with that, such as government funded abortions, euthanasia, and infanticide.
    America is aborting plenty in the private sector now.
    It's mothers (mostly unmarried pregnant women) who want to rid themselves of children that are driving the high numbers of abortions.
    We like to find other victims, but with the exception of weird places like China and various commie gulugs, there ain't much forced abortion going on anywhere in the world.
    And in first world countries they lives of single mothers are pretty comfortable.  Straight to the top of social housing and all sorts of help.  Compared to the mother of Oliver Twist it is a paradise being a single mother nowadays.  Just less of a paradise that aborting the child and continuing to fornicate and be untied.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #19 on: February 01, 2019, 10:02:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 30, 2019, 11:55:33 PM
    What happens with shared care schemes when it comes to big payouts?

    You need expensive cancer treatment or dialysis and a kidney transplant.
    Coverage is $2 million per incident. 
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #20 on: February 01, 2019, 12:15:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 01, 2019, 10:02:36 AM
    Coverage is $2 million per incident.
    Why doesn't everyone do it then?  Are there any big disadvantages?
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #21 on: February 01, 2019, 12:49:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 30, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
    If I was a yank, I would learn to speak with a British accent and just fly to the UK when I got really sick.  They never ask for ID here.

    Thanks for the tip.   :laugh1:

    Of course ... that would effectively be stealing.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #22 on: February 01, 2019, 01:44:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on February 01, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
    Why doesn't everyone do it then?  Are there any big disadvantages?
    Because  most people do not know about it. Look up Christian Health Ministries.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #23 on: February 01, 2019, 11:45:48 PM »
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    • https://www.clarkscondensed.com/thrifty-living/christian-healthcare-ministries-review/

    Seems like a good idea hope it spreads.

    I hate the paperwork though.  Hate admin.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #24 on: February 02, 2019, 03:47:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on February 01, 2019, 11:45:48 PM
    https://www.clarkscondensed.com/thrifty-living/christian-healthcare-ministries-review/

    Seems like a good idea hope it spreads.

    I hate the paperwork though.  Hate admin.
    Nothing comes for free. That CHM system costs  at least 1/4 of any socialized medicine. At least 1/4. "Saving the paperwork" costs you a mint in taxes, in other words, you will be well paid for your "paperwork" time.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #25 on: February 02, 2019, 09:04:04 AM »
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    • I think you have admin with regular insurance too correct?

    Paperwork is purgatory for me as is doing expense reports.  I just bill the flights, hotels, and car hire and suck up the rest or make up for it in some other way.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #26 on: February 02, 2019, 09:39:11 PM »
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    • I confess I would have bankrupted many times over if it were not for the care received under the Canadian healthcare system. I can but examine what my three and a half week stay in hospital last summer, with all the test, day transfer to another hospital for specific tests, followed up my major surgery at the end would have cost in the US. Plus all the doc visits, meds, and specialists esp in the last decade.

    But Canada is wayyyyyyy far too socialist if not downright Marxist in many respects.

    That is why I am an Alberta secessionist :cowboy:
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #27 on: February 04, 2019, 02:18:32 PM »
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    • Socialized anything is government control and slavery for the people, 70% taxation, everybody is forced to work, and more.
    Don't believe me?  Watch this video (it mentions healtcare which includes forced abortions and uthanasia):

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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #28 on: February 04, 2019, 03:17:16 PM »
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    • The marginal tax rate was very, very high for the 1% of society until the 1980s. It was somewhere between 70-91%. I don't have an opinion on it either way because I am not rich, but that's just how it is.
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    Re: Socialised healthcare
    « Reply #29 on: February 04, 2019, 03:38:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on February 04, 2019, 03:17:16 PM
    The marginal tax rate was very, very high for the 1% of society until the 1980s. It was somewhere between 70-91%. I don't have an opinion on it either way because I am not rich, but that's just how it is.
    Just how it is ? ... what, under socialism ?
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