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Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
« on: May 02, 2019, 09:27:00 PM »
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  •  RED MEAT and CANCER – more than just a “correlation”
    Posted: 02 May 2019 06:11 AM PDT
    Are you tired of mainstream media appealing to futility? We’ve all heard the saying a thousand times, “eat less red meat.” Yet, what if ALL the red meat is tainted and carcinogenic, because, in actuality, once you add those concentrated salts (nitrates) and cook it or smoke it, you’re inviting cancer cells to the “party” every time. How often and for how long can you flirt with disaster and get away with it?
    You know what they say about playing with fire. Let’s take a long, close-up view at the toxic bonfire burning through all that red meat. Would you like that well-done, medium, medium rare, or raw, sir or ma’am?
    So if you can eat known carcinogens “less often” and get away with it, can you smoke “fewer” cigarettes and be “just fine” also?
    Are you eating “healthy” carcinogens? Is that your meat argument? Red meat can double the risk of colon cancer, just ask the Health Ranger, who published the in-depth study years back that was shared by none other than the Journal of the American Medical Association.
    Heavy red meat consumption could actually quadruple your risk of colon cancer, considering how often many Americans “go out to eat” at least once every other day. Take one look at a menu from any restaurant and you’ll notice about nine out of every 10 choices contains meat, and about half of those contain red meat (heavily processed at that).
    Now the attack comes from the “free range” and “grass fed” carnivores. Once any health advocates start pointing out the dangers of meat consumption, the canines comes out to defend their favorite dishes, and often without any science to back up their claims.
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    Still, traditionally, red meat is often butchered and prepped with MSG, nitrates, nitrites, hormones, antibiotics, ammonia, bleach, smoke, salt, more salt, more cooking, and then gassed and dyed to look red and ripe again. Becoming vegetarian or vegan really isn’t that hard, you just have to stay a little educated, diligent, and creative once in a while. Think of the trade off of lowering cancer risk and enjoying all that longevity.
    Anti-microbial-resistant and antibiotic-resistant infections from meat will kill more Americans by 2050 than cancer
    Wait, you’re not ready to quit meat yet? That’s fine. Let’s take a look at where things are heading, though, just so you know. Colorectal cancer is a MAJOR cause of death in many of the world’s countries. It’s a horrible way to go out, folks.
    Nearly half of all fresh meat and poultry products in the U.S. are contaminated with potentially deadly bacteria, including multiple-drug resistant Franken-bacteria, a.k.a. “superbugs.” Over 75 percent of the world’s antibiotics are given to feed lot animals and most of them are becoming useless to humans in hospitals dying from superbug infections like MRSA.
    It’s really the heme iron intake that’s running as the highest category for skyrocketing one’s risk of colorectal cancer, according to a meta-analysis and the review of all the mechanisms involved. Heme iron toxicity has proven to have a catalytic effect on the formation of carcinogenic compounds (n-nitroso). Heme are components of hemoglobin – the red pigment in blood. This was all published by the American Association for Cancer Research.
    So the question looms: Will you “limit” or eliminate your heme iron toxicity problem, because it’s warping your cells as you read this, even if in just a “limited” way. Where’s the tipping point? When does your mutated cell problem go “viral?” Because science sure is making it sound like it’s just a matter of time until Big Pharma starts removing parts of your colon and dosing you up with chemical meds (which fuel new cancers).
    Has your red meat been gassed for coloring, like those rich pink tuna steaks? You better start asking questions and researching the CAFOs.
    Top 10 warnings for meat eaters, including processed meat
    #1. According to IARC experts, eating just one 50 gram portion of processed meat daily (1.8 ounces or about 2 average slices of deli meat) increases your risk of getting colorectal cancer by 18 percent.
    #2. Avoiding only red meat is not a protective strategy against cancer.
    #3. The link between processed meat and bowel cancer is backed by substantial evidence.
    #4. Processed meat means it has been transformed through curing, salting, smoking and fermentation, and may contain blood.
    #5. High-temperature cooking of processed meats, including barbecuing and pan frying, increases carcinogenic risk.
    #6. Tobacco smoking and asbestos are both classified in the same carcinogenic category as processed meat – Group 1.
    #7. The IARC also associates stomach cancer with eating processed meat.
    #8. The Global Burden of Disease Project estimates 34,000 deaths per year worldwide are attributable to people who eat processed meats regularly.
    #9. The more processed meat you eat, the higher your risk of cancer rises.
    #10. N-nitroso compounds and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are just two types of dangerous, carcinogenic chemicals that form when meat is processed.
    Now, check out Mic the Vegan breaking it all down elementary style for the bogus processed meat “pushers” and the CAFO industry shills to chew on. This man does his homework, uses logic and intelligence. Gain some valuable information here:
    Tune in to Cures.news for updates on how to prevent AND cure cancer, even though the FDA doesn’t want you to.
    Sources for this article include:
    CancerPreventionResearch.aacrjournals.org
    NaturalNews.com
    Cures.news
    NaturalNews.com
    Originally published: https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-05-01-red-meat-and-cancer-more-than-just-a-correlation.html
    The post RED MEAT and CANCER – more than just a “correlation” appeared first on Dr. Leonard Coldwell.com.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2019, 03:45:13 AM »
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  • I think the reason you see articles like this is to get people to stop eating meat altogether in the continued push toward a vegan/vegetarian world.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2019, 06:32:31 AM »
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  • The title is misleading too.  It should say “processed red meat”.  Organic or grass-fed meat is very healthy. 

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2019, 06:50:32 AM »
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  • Interesting. I read an article that Fasting is now known to have likely at least 8 purely medical health benefits, beside its innumerable spiritual benefits that Catholics know by experience that Fasting and Prayer have. The Holy Bible and Sacred Tradition have recommended Fasting for millenia; science gradually catches up with Revelation in acknowledging some visible benefits of it. Regarding Meat, I would say enjoy your meat, from good sources, on normal days; fast and abstain on fasting days; by God's Grace, you'll be just fine, as Catholics have been for millenia. These are some of the known health benefits of fasting described below.

    "1. Promotes Blood Sugar Control by Reducing Insulin Resistance
    2. Promotes Better Health by Fighting Inflammation
    3. May Enhance Heart Health by Improving Blood Pressure, Triglycerides and Cholesterol Levels
    4. May Boost Brain Function and Prevent Neurodegenerative Disorders
    5. Aids Weight Loss by Limiting Calorie Intake and Boosting Metabolism
    6. Increases Growth Hormone Secretion, Which Is Vital for Growth, Metabolism, Weight Loss and Muscle Strength
    7. Could Delay Aging and Extend Longevity
    8. May Aid in Cancer Prevention and Increase the Effectiveness of Chemotherapy"

    From: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fasting-benefits#section8

    And to paraphrase and perhaps adapt Hillaire Belloc, “Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!” And good red meat also!? Let us bless the Lord indeed, for those things God has created, as St. Paul the Apostle teaches us, are to be received with prayer and thanksgiving, and thereby are consecrated and sanctified. 1 Tim 4:4 "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2019, 08:13:01 AM »
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  • The carnivore diet is the greatest anti-inflammatory diet in the world for people with auto-immune issues. ( of course you need high quality (organic), non processed animal products) It has resolved my diabetes, dropped triglycerides to normal and increased my HDL and slowly is dropping my BP. (Those are the three indicators (markers) for inflammatory heart disease, not total cholesterol or LDL, which is a non- issue  for cardiac death).
    I am now adding a few cruciferous vegetables (slowly)after 3 months to see if I can tolerate them. I supplement with Potassium and Vitamin C while doing this.
    I am not recommending any extreme diet for anyone, but this diet (anecdotally) is certainly helping me.


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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2019, 08:14:43 AM »
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  • Oh yes- I do fast on water with pink salt, red mill baking soda, KCL and magnesium added

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2019, 08:19:08 AM »
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  • The title is misleading too.  It should say “processed red meat”.  Organic or grass-fed meat is very healthy.

    Precisely.  They do throw something out there about the excessive iron intake from red meat, but they only mention it in passing without substantiating it.

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2019, 10:45:52 AM »
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  • The carnivore diet is the greatest anti-inflammatory diet in the world for people with auto-immune issues. ( of course you need high quality (organic), non processed animal products) It has resolved my diabetes, dropped triglycerides to normal and increased my HDL and slowly is dropping my BP. (Those are the three indicators (markers) for inflammatory heart disease, not total cholesterol or LDL, which is a non- issue  for cardiac death).
    I am now adding a few cruciferous vegetables (slowly)after 3 months to see if I can tolerate them. I supplement with Potassium and Vitamin C while doing this.
    I am not recommending any extreme diet for anyone, but this diet (anecdotally) is certainly helping me.

    Supplementing with Magnesium (especially the Malate form) is essential.

    Did you know that extensive Round Up usage as an herbicide, especially in agricultural areas, causes magnesium deficiencies in the soil? This chemical then becomes airborne, which affects vegetables, fruits, and animals raised on organic farms and homesteads. Round Up and other chemicals have been detected in rain, in the streams and rivers, and the oceans. It is killing wildlife as well as humans. There are other (and newer) agricultural herbicides and pesticides which may be even worse than Round Up, but these herbicides and pesticides have not earned a bad reputation yet thanks to the FDA, which is engaged in a massive coverup to protect the chemical companies. Long story short, if you live in agricultural areas or even in the city, you are more than likely to have a magnesium deficiency, which can lead to severe muscle aches in your legs and even heart attacks.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2019, 12:23:23 PM »
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  • Yes, supplement  magnesium definitely. The only reason I mentioned potassium and Vit C was that they MAY be deficient in a carnivore diet, depending on the volume and quality of the animal products. Magnesium is deficient in 80% of the population no matter what diet they are on.

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #9 on: May 03, 2019, 02:44:18 PM »
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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #10 on: May 03, 2019, 02:58:56 PM »
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  • https://www.marksdailyapple.com/red-meat-colon-cancer/


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    Have you heard? There’s a new “red meat will kill you” study. This time, it’s colorectal cancer....

    It’s the basic story you see with most of these observational studies. Around 175,000 or so people were asked to recall what they ate on a regular basis—a food frequency questionnaire. This is the exact questionnaire, in fact. The research team took the answers, measured some baseline characteristics of all the subjects—socioeconomic status, exercise levels, whether they smoked, education level, occupation, family history of colorectal cancer, and a few others—and then followed up with participants an average of 5.7 years later to see how many had developed colorectal cancer....

    What the Study “Showed”
    Those who had moderate amounts of red meat had a 20% higher chance of getting cancer.
    And in the end, the increased risk was a relative risk. It wasn’t a 20% absolute increase in risk. It was a relative increase in risk. The subjects started with a 0.5% risk of getting bowel cancer. In those who ate the most processed meat and red meat, that risk increased 20%—to 0.6%!
    From 0.5 to 0.6%. Sure, that’s an increase, but is it something to overhaul your entire diet for? To give up the best sources of zinc, iron, B vitamins, protein, carnosine, creatine? All that for a measly 0.1% that hasn’t even been established as causal?
    Study Findings Most News Outlets Won’t Include
    One head scratcher that leaps out: the link between unprocessed red meat and colon cancer was not actually statistically significant. Only processed meat was significantly linked to colon cancer.
    Another head scratcher: red meat, whether processed or unprocessed, had no significant association with colorectal cancer in women. Why didn’t they highlight the fact that in women, eating red meat was completely unrelated? That’s half the world’s population. That’s you or your mom, your daughter, your grandmother, your girlfriend. And unless they were to look at the full study and read the fine print, they’d never know that red meat actually had the opposite relationship. You’d think the authors would want to mention that in the abstract or see that the press releases and media treatments highlighted that fact.
    It’s probably because mentioning that red meat was neutral in women and had no statistically significant link to colon cancer in men and women would have destroyed their case for red meat as an independent carcinogen. See, carcinogens are supposed to be carcinogens. There are many meaningful differences between men and women, but a poison is a poison.
    What’s the proposed mechanism for red meat triggering colon cancer in men but not in women? If they didn’t have one (and I imagine they wouldn’t have mentioned it if they did), then there’s probably something else going on.
    There is a fair bit more, but it's a bit long to quote the whole thing.  See the link if you are interested.
    Media accounts of food issues are more about getting an emotional reaction (usually fear) from readers than helping people to understand complex issues.  I never believe anything like the article in the OP until I have had a chance to verify it.


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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #11 on: May 03, 2019, 03:40:20 PM »
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  • Prolly best to avoid eating dead flesh. Man didn't start eating dead flesh until after the Fall of man.

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #12 on: May 03, 2019, 04:42:05 PM »
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  • Prolly best to avoid eating dead flesh. Man didn't start eating dead flesh until after the Fall of man.
    We did not wear clothes before the Fall either.  Are you claiming that everyone ought to go around naked?
    Scripture is unambiguously clear that humans should eat meat.  It is explicitly stated in Genesis 9:  

    [1]And God blessed Noe and his sons. And he said to them: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth. [2] And let the fear and dread of you be upon all the beasts of the earth, and upon all the fowls of the air, and all that move upon the earth: all the fishes of the sea are delivered into your hand. [3] And every thing that moveth and liveth shall be meat for you: even as the green herbs have I delivered them all to you: 

    Not only that, in the New Testament, the practice of forbidding to eat meat is used as an identifying characteristic of heretics in 1 Tim 4: 

    [1] Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, [2]Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, [3] Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. [4] For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving: [5] For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 

    The Challoner commentary explains: 
    [3] "Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats": He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Eneratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage, and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the church of God, so far from condemning marriage, holds it a holy sacrament; and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons; though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance.

    Note that it says:   "the church of God  ... prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons; though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance."  We should not be coming up with interpretations of Scripture that contradict Church teaching.

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    We did not wear clothes before the Fall either.  Are you claiming that everyone ought to go around naked?
    Scripture is unambiguously clear that humans should eat meat.  It is explicitly stated in Genesis 9: 

    [1]And God blessed Noe and his sons. And he said to them: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth. [2] And let the fear and dread of you be upon all the beasts of the earth, and upon all the fowls of the air, and all that move upon the earth: all the fishes of the sea are delivered into your hand. [3] And every thing that moveth and liveth shall be meat for you: even as the green herbs have I delivered them all to you:

    The Fall of man happened in Chapter 3. Man had become corrupted and all of nature had fallen, too. Man developed an appetite for dead flesh and to kill for the meat. Before the Fall, man ate plant-based products, and there was no killing of animals. Even animals didn't kill each other to eat. They ate plant-based foods.

    The rest of your post only shows that God allows man to eat meat because it's not intrinsically wrong (not a sin), but nor is it encouraged. Because the appetite for dead flesh happened after the fall of nature due to original sin, there are potential physical dangers that accompany the consumption of dead flesh. Also, less consumption of animal products means less inhumane conditions and suffering of animals. Knowing that chickens, pigs and cows suffer by being crammed into very small, confined places most of their lives up to harvesting doesn't appeal to me. It's easy for people to rationalize and compartmentalize unethical practices of suffering animals so their passions for are satisfied. This is the same people who live to eat. I only eat to live.

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    Re: Red Meat and Cancer-more than just a "correlation"
    « Reply #14 on: May 03, 2019, 08:37:46 PM »
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  • The Fall of man happened in Chapter 3. Man had become corrupted and all of nature had fallen, too. Man developed an appetite for dead flesh and to kill for the meat. Before the Fall, man ate plant-based products, and there was no killing of animals. Even animals didn't kill each other to eat. They ate plant-based foods.

    The rest of your post only shows that God allows man to eat meat because it's not intrinsically wrong (not a sin), but nor is it encouraged. Because the appetite for dead flesh happened after the fall of nature due to original sin, there are potential physical dangers that accompany the consumption of dead flesh. Also, less consumption of animal products means less inhumane conditions and suffering of animals. Knowing that chickens, pigs and cows suffer by being crammed into very small, confined places most of their lives up to harvesting doesn't appeal to me. It's easy for people to rationalize and compartmentalize unethical practices of suffering animals so their passions for are satisfied. This is the same people who live to eat. I only eat to live.
    Many things were different before the Fall.  We should not be making up rules for human behaviour based on pre-Fall conditions.  I see you ignored my point that your same line of reasoning suggests that we all become nudists.  (There really are Protestants who claim this.)

    If you choose to not eat meat, that is permitted, but there is nothing in Catholic teaching to suggest that there is anything wrong with meat-eating.  Your argument from the pre-Fallen state is flawed and irrelevant.

    God, Himself, decreed that "every thing that moveth and liveth shall be meat for you."  That is going farther than saying it is not intrinsically sinful.  This is making meat-eating the norm.

    You may have a legitimate point about problematic treatment of food animals, although it is hard to say how much of what we hear about this is propaganda.  Personally, I am concerned enough about this to avoid "factory farm" products.  I spend the extra money to buy food from a local butcher who ensures that the meat he sells is ethically raised.

    It looks like it is easy for you to judge people who eat meat and look down on them.  If the spiritual effect of your vegetarianism is pride and feelings of superiority, it is a very dangerous practice for you.  If you have a spiritual director you need to discuss this matter with him.