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Offline MariasAnawim

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raw vegan/ vegans?
« on: June 21, 2023, 05:23:30 AM »
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  • My husband and I have been vegan/ raw vegan on and off throughout the years for health issues. 
    We always notice the difference in our health in a good way.
    It is more expensive, but when we have a garden it definitley helps.
    Also easier to do raw vegan during summer months.
    However I do not know even one catholic who does this. Unfortunatley I have only known a few protestants and mostly pagans.
    So i was wondering if anyone has done this or does this for themselves/ family?
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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2023, 05:57:55 AM »
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  • My husband and I have been vegan/ raw vegan on and off throughout the years for health issues.
    We always notice the difference in our health in a good way.

    why do you differentiate between vegan and raw vegan? 

    It is more expensive, but when we have a garden it definitley helps.

    How can it be more expensive when, generally, meat is the most expensive item in the food budget?

    Also easier to do raw vegan during summer months.

    However I do not know even one catholic who does this.
     
    I have never been a vegan. But I have known non practicing Catholics to practice it. They do it for religious reasons generally. I guess it makes them feel more pure.

    Unfortunatley I have only known a few protestants and mostly pagans.
    So i was wondering if anyone has done this or does this for themselves/ family?

    Do you eat cheese, milk, eggs, honey, wear leather shoes?
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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 11:50:20 AM »
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  • I’m a vegetarian, but only on Fridays. 

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2023, 12:16:24 PM »
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  • What I mean by raw vegan is eating uncooked fruits and veggies.

    Vegan includes cooked grains and root vegetables.

    Vegeterian includes animals foods (milk, cheese, yogurts, etc) but no flesh meat or fish.

    When I first got married I was infertile and 3 years later I discovered (with God's guidance) The Gerson therapy, which is basically a vegan diet, but with specific protocols. Just implementing part of it for several months and I got pregnant and now have 7 little children.
    Now I am having some heath issues and began to eat 90% raw vegan about 3 weeks or so ago and I was just wondering if there were any other catholics who may eat in this manner. Either full time or temporarily.
    I think raw vegan makes sense in the summer months while vegan is better during winter months and is good for healing. Not sure what I think about doing it long term since I have been more of nourishing traditions person (sourdough bread, raw milk, raw butter, yogurt, bone broth, etc)
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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2023, 12:23:35 PM »
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  • I did it once in my life strictly for health purposes. I was in my mid 20’s, unmarried and working a very physically demanding job that required repetitive motion of my shoulders. My arms and shoulders hurt so bad, every day was torture. I read that a vegan diet would help so I tried it. Within 2 weeks I was pain free. I continued the “vegan” diet until I quit that job and then of course went back to eating meat and other animal products. 

    I don’t think I’d ever have my family do it as a general way of eating, but it did help me in that season. 

    Most vegans adhere to a very strange mindset surrounding food and spirituality. It was a real burden wading through all that garbage to find good recipes. 
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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2023, 08:26:08 PM »
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  • Do vegans, raw vegans, or vegetarians eat honey?  (Maybe connection to insects is considered some sort of meat or religious taboo?)
    As for wearing leather shoes, what has that got to do with dietary habits?  Surely nobody eats them unless literally starving to death!  Shoes and other leather products were boiled and finely shredded during the nαzι siege of Leningrad when the people were dying of starvation.  (I doubt anyone was a vegan, much less a raw vegan at that time!  A number resorted to cannibalism. I don’t recommend either practice.)

    Personally, I would think a vegan diet deficient in protein and iron. Is it possible to get those nutrients without taking supplements? It can’t be healthy for young children.  Remembe4 the ‘macrobiotic’ diet, fad of the late 1960’s, early 1970’s, promoted by John Lennon and Yoko Ono?  There were people who tried to raise their children on it and many became seriously malnourished and some died as a result.  

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2023, 09:47:33 PM »
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  • I have wanted to and tried, but I have to cook for family that is not interested. It made it too hard with all of the different preparations and cooking. I think if done right, with plenty of greens and vegetables and not too high in nuts that it can be very healthy. 

    Have you heard of Lissa of Raw Food Romance?  She has great recipes. 

    Also Dr. Brooke Goldner of Goodbye Lupus for health issues of all kinds

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2023, 11:51:37 PM »
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  • Do vegans, raw vegans, or vegetarians eat honey?  (Maybe connection to insects is considered some sort of meat or religious taboo?)
    As for wearing leather shoes, what has that got to do with dietary habits?  Surely nobody eats them unless literally starving to death!  Shoes and other leather products were boiled and finely shredded during the nαzι siege of Leningrad when the people were dying of starvation.  (I doubt anyone was a vegan, much less a raw vegan at that time!  A number resorted to cannibalism. I don’t recommend either practice.)

    Personally, I would think a vegan diet deficient in protein and iron. Is it possible to get those nutrients without taking supplements? It can’t be healthy for young children.  Remembe4 the ‘macrobiotic’ diet, fad of the late 1960’s, early 1970’s, promoted by John Lennon and Yoko Ono?  There were people who tried to raise their children on it and many became seriously malnourished and some died as a result. 
    Vegans do not eat any animal products, and honey is one, so honey is out for vegans. I believe you can be sufficiently nourished on a vegetarian or vegan diet, but that basically veganism is a religion.

    A true vegan will not wear leather shoes because you have to kill the beast to acquire the leather. It has nothing to do with eating leather. Neither would he wear fur. 

    I have a friend who runs a vegan restaurant. His food is nutitious, balanced and scrumptious, but he won’t kill a cockroach. To get rid of cockies he vacuums them up and takes them into the scrub to live happily ever after.

    My husband cured himself of sinus, allergies and constipation with Ohsawa’s macrobiotic diet. No need for inverted commas. I don’t think any one died on account of it alone. 

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #8 on: June 22, 2023, 12:09:10 PM »
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  • Here is the Vegan Society's definition of veganism: 

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    Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
    https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

    This philosophy is contrary to Scripture which clearly teaches that mankind has a right to eat animals.  It is therefore not compatible with Catholicism.  Also, vegans typically believe a lot of nonsense about environmentalism including that stopping eating animals will save the world.  Most of them are convinced that this is the ideal healthy way to eat.  There have been many cases in the news of children getting sick or even dying because there parents have fed them a vegan diet.  In my experience, it is like a religion for them and it is not possible to reason with them.


    I am not surprised that you have not met any trad Catholics who accept these beliefs.  Catholicism is the religion of truth and veganism is about one lie after another.

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2023, 01:08:28 PM »
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  • I have wanted to and tried, but I have to cook for family that is not interested. It made it too hard with all of the different preparations and cooking. I think if done right, with plenty of greens and vegetables and not too high in nuts that it can be very healthy.

    Have you heard of Lissa of Raw Food Romance?  She has great recipes.

    Also Dr. Brooke Goldner of Goodbye Lupus for health issues of all kinds
    I am still discerning for the children, but I know I have read of some mountain villages that eat almost exclusively fruit.

    I will look up Lissa thanks for the suggestion
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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #10 on: June 22, 2023, 01:16:26 PM »
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  • Here is the Vegan Society's definition of veganism:
    https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

    This philosophy is contrary to Scripture which clearly teaches that mankind has a right to eat animals.  It is therefore not compatible with Catholicism.  Also, vegans typically believe a lot of nonsense about environmentalism including that stopping eating animals will save the world.  Most of them are convinced that this is the ideal healthy way to eat.  There have been many cases in the news of children getting sick or even dying because there parents have fed them a vegan diet.  In my experience, it is like a religion for them and it is not possible to reason with them.


    I am not surprised that you have not met any trad Catholics who accept these beliefs.  Catholicism is the religion of truth and veganism is about one lie after another.
    I (obviously) don't promote nor agree with their religious philosophies, however the vegan way of eating is closer to that of what God first said in the garden for Adam and Eve. Also there are many health benefits to eating in that manner. So long as diet and health does not become an idol in one's life.
    Also I have noticed that many trad catholics eat very unhealthy. Of course we are focused on heaven and so it must be balanced but that puts many in the hands of satan by sucuмbing to the doctors and medications.
    I believe we can serve God better if we take care of the body appropriatley after the interior life of course.
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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #11 on: June 22, 2023, 02:58:22 PM »
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  • I (obviously) don't promote nor agree with their religious philosophies, however the vegan way of eating is closer to that of what God first said in the garden for Adam and Eve. Also there are many health benefits to eating in that manner. So long as diet and health does not become an idol in one's life.

    There are no health benefits to a meatless diet.  There are benefits from changing from the standard Western diet which is highly processed and far too high in sugar.  Eating primarily fresh fruits and vegetables is better than that, so people may see an improvement in health.  They would, however, be even healthier if they ate lots of unprocessed meat.

    If you want to be like Adam and Eve in the garden, then I suppose you want to be a nudist too. Or maybe when it comes to clothing you realize that this is not a good basis for our life choices, since we are not Adam and Eve in the garden. What does apply to us is the explicit instruction God gave to Noah in Genesis 9:

     And God blessed Noe and his sons. And he said to them: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth.  2 And let the fear and dread of you be upon all the beasts of the earth, and upon all the fowls of the air, and all that move upon the earth: all the fishes of the sea are delivered into your hand.  3 And every thing that moveth and liveth shall be meat for you: even as the green herbs have I delivered them all to you.

    And this is confirmed in the New Testament in Acts 10:

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     And he saw the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts, and creeping things of the earth, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat.

    Also I have noticed that many trad catholics eat very unhealthy. Of course we are focused on heaven and so it must be balanced but that puts many in the hands of satan by sucuмbing to the doctors and medications.
    I believe we can serve God better if we take care of the body appropriatley after the interior life of course.

    If you want to take care of your body appropriately then your diet should include meat.  If you stubbornly cling to your mistaken belief that a meatless diet is healthy and continue to eat that way, at least don't call yourself vegan.  That is the name of a non-Catholic philosophy and it causes scandal when you speak as if it were acceptable for Catholics.

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2023, 04:13:39 PM »
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  • There are no health benefits to a meatless diet.  There are benefits from changing from the standard Western diet which is highly processed and far too high in sugar.  Eating primarily fresh fruits and vegetables is better than that, so people may see an improvement in health.  They would, however, be even healthier if they ate lots of unprocessed meat.

    If you want to be like Adam and Eve in the garden, then I suppose you want to be a nudist too. Or maybe when it comes to clothing you realize that this is not a good basis for our life choices, since we are not Adam and Eve in the garden. What does apply to us is the explicit instruction God gave to Noah in Genesis 9:

    1 And God blessed Noe and his sons. And he said to them: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And let the fear and dread of you be upon all the beasts of the earth, and upon all the fowls of the air, and all that move upon the earth: all the fishes of the sea are delivered into your hand. 3 And every thing that moveth and liveth shall be meat for you: even as the green herbs have I delivered them all to you.

    And this is confirmed in the New Testament in Acts 10:

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    And he saw the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts, and creeping things of the earth, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat.

    If you want to take care of your body appropriately then your diet should include meat.  If you stubbornly cling to your mistaken belief that a meatless diet is healthy and continue to eat that way, at least don't call yourself vegan.  That is the name of a non-Catholic philosophy and it causes scandal when you speak as if it were acceptable for Catholics.
    Perfectly stated!

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2023, 07:21:59 PM »
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  • Thanks, Maria’s.  Great topic.

    I want to get started doing a raw veggie diet. I’m losing weight quickly now just going vegetarian.  Im just starting to feel better.  I fell off wagon and ate sugary coffee drinks, donuts.



    Dr. Fuhrman Nutritarian lifestyle is a good one too. 

    The problem with so many of us is sugar in everything processed food, cake , pies. Chips. Too much sodium & sugar. Too much carbs.  Portion sizes are out of control.





    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: raw vegan/ vegans?
    « Reply #14 on: June 22, 2023, 11:53:46 PM »
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    So long as diet and health does not become an idol in one's life.
    Once you start defining yourself according to diet (I am vegan; I am vegetarian: I am carnivore, omnivore, etc) diet has already become an idol. You eat what is available and what is according to custom, and say your grace before you eat and give thanks after. As a guest, you eat what is given you with relish. That's what the saints do.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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