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Offline Geremia

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Meat is for the sickly.
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2019, 09:31:45 PM »
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  • Ch. 36 "Of the Sick Brethren" of St. Benedict's Rule understands that meat is for the sickly:
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    let the use of meat be granted to the sick and to the very weak for their recovery. But when they have been restored let them all abstain from meat in the usual manner.
    Healthy people have no need for meat.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #16 on: August 28, 2019, 05:01:25 AM »
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  • We know from science that meat contains various essentials for life.  Now, these can be had elsewhere, but it's not all that easy.  Lots of health problems among vegetarians and vegans.

    Now the Rule of St. Benedict did not exclude fish ... which would supply most of the same nutrients found in meat.


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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #17 on: August 28, 2019, 05:55:47 AM »
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  • Obviously, no one needs meat in order to be healthy.  One can have a very healthy diet without meat.  But, back to the purpose of this topic, can "plant-based meat" be a part of that healthy diet?

    In other words, are foods that are heavily infused with synthetic chemicals (as "plant-based meats are) healthy?  Do people who abstain from meat or vegans consume large doses of synthetic chemicals in healthy diets?

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #18 on: August 28, 2019, 08:35:49 AM »
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  • When a person has a diabetic episode, he's not fed bacon or beef to revive him. He's fed sugar (a plant nutrient). Get off the dead carcass diet, brah. Eat more plants (sugar and carbs). You eat dead flesh, and you become death.
    If the diabetic had been on a low or no carb meat based diet, he wouldnt have to be revived because his blood sugars would have been under control. As an emergency measure, yes glucose is given, but a diet high in carbs and sugar will increase circulating insulin which is highly inflamatory will raise triglycerides and worsen insulin resistance and diabetes. I am diabetic or was diabetic. Blood sugars are fine now.
    PS- remember Peter's dream..........

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #19 on: August 28, 2019, 08:37:22 AM »
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  • Obviously, no one needs meat in order to be healthy.  One can have a very healthy diet without meat.  But, back to the purpose of this topic, can "plant-based meat" be a part of that healthy diet?

    In other words, are foods that are heavily infused with synthetic chemicals (as "plant-based meats are) healthy?  Do people who abstain from meat or vegans consume large doses of synthetic chemicals in healthy diets?
    Actually, no one needs plants to be healthy


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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #20 on: August 28, 2019, 11:00:17 AM »
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  • Actually, no one needs plants to be healthy
    I didn't say that one would need to eat plants to be healthy.  Of course, we do need plants since the meat we eat is from plant-eating animals.  
    The question at hand is not whether we need meat or whether we need plants to be healthy.  The question at hand is whether "plant-based meat" is healthy.  I have grave doubts about whether this stuff is healthy and it seems to me that it is positively dangerous to the health of those who consume it regularly.

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #21 on: August 28, 2019, 01:01:22 PM »
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  • Lots of health problems among vegetarians and vegans.
    Such as?
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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #22 on: August 28, 2019, 05:01:53 PM »
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  • Neurological and psychological problems from vitamin deficiencies like B12. Higher toxic overload from chemical fertilizers and pesticides ( even with "organic".) Incomplete protein metabolism and amino acid deficiencies.Mitochondrial disorders.Much higher inflamatory issues due to lectins and other plan irritants .Decreased muscle mass, difficulty maintaining muscle mass with exercise. Carbohydrates are the only macronutrient that a human can live without healthily.


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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #23 on: August 28, 2019, 05:36:14 PM »
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    Carbohydrates are the only macronutrient that a human can live without healthily.

    You think being a space cadet and drainbow is "healthy"? You're also wrong about insulin and sugar. The fact is sugar increases insulin sensitivity which means less insulin is needed. Fats greatly decrease insulin sensitivity because the receptors get all blocked. That means much higher insulin levels in the blood.

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #24 on: August 28, 2019, 06:38:25 PM »
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  • You think being a space cadet and drainbow is "healthy"? You're also wrong about insulin and sugar. The fact is sugar increases insulin sensitivity which means less insulin is needed. Fats greatly decrease insulin sensitivity because the receptors get all blocked. That means much higher insulin levels in the blood.
    Back again already?

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #25 on: August 28, 2019, 06:48:22 PM »
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  • Will burying apple seeds grow apple trees provided there is adequate watering? Is it that easy to grow apple trees?


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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #26 on: August 29, 2019, 06:34:27 AM »
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  • Will burying apple seeds grow apple trees provided there is adequate watering? Is it that easy to grow apple trees?
    https://www.almanac.com/plant/apples
    Depends on climate and soil I'd imagine.

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #27 on: August 29, 2019, 08:04:25 AM »
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  • You think being a space cadet and drainbow is "healthy"? You're also wrong about insulin and sugar. The fact is sugar increases insulin sensitivity which means less insulin is needed. Fats greatly decrease insulin sensitivity because the receptors get all blocked. That means much higher insulin levels in the blood.
    Space cadet here. Fat does NOT effect blood sugar in any way. Sugar and carbs spike blood sugar and causes an insulin surge to lower the blood gucose, so yes originally  there is initial sensitivity, but as time goes on the cells ,resist the insulin and do not allow any more glucose to enter the cells- the ineffectiveness of the insulin, along with high blood sugars(diabetes) and high insulin in the blood cause obesity ( ask any type one diabetic that has been injecting insulin all their lives- more insulin, more weight gain)For awhile and maybe all of their lives, some people s have effective and sensitive insulin glucose reactions. But for the millions with insulin resistance and type ll diabetes this is not the case. Blood sugar spikes for long periods are dangerous and lead to insulin resistance. Healthier to dump the sugar and carbs to stay off meds.

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #28 on: August 29, 2019, 08:07:21 AM »
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  • Not all fats are equal.  Many today are unnaturally made, so it's possible that they screw with the body somehow.  Mongrel, do you have any articles on this?  Thx.

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    Re: Plant-Based Meat
    « Reply #29 on: August 29, 2019, 09:18:43 AM »
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  • True- processed seed oils (canola/ rape seed ,corn oil) are filled with phytates and are super inflammatory , as well as are  all hydrogenated fats.
    Staying with natural animal based unprocessed fats are best,(butter) but oil from the fruit of the plant ( not the seed) are ok like olive oil, avacado oil and coconut. The Ratio of omega 3 ( natural animal fats and non seed oils) compared to omega 6 ( processed oils and fats) must be improved and is so out of balance today.