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Traditional Catholic Faith => Health and Nutrition => Topic started by: TKGS on August 26, 2019, 05:55:51 PM
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I'm starting to see advertisements and news reports for restaraunts using "plant-based meat" as a substitute for actual meat. Evidently, Burger King has introduced a burger using "plant-based meat" and Kentucky Fried Chicken is testing "plant-based" chicken nuggets and boneless wings.
Obviously, these particular eateries aren't really healthy, but I wonder where else these "plant-based meats" are going to crop up (pardon the pun). In any event, I don't have a warm and fuzzy about this. For example, see the article below.
https://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/how-fake-meat-is-made (https://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/how-fake-meat-is-made)
or this one:
https://ancestral-nutrition.com/beyond-meat-is-beyond-unhealthy/ (https://ancestral-nutrition.com/beyond-meat-is-beyond-unhealthy/)
Anyone have more information about this latest fad? There are already too many soy boys out there and if this catches on, there will be a whole lot more.
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I tried eating it and it was too salty. Yuck. Just processed junk food.
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I was going to try one at Burger King, until I saw the price! What gives? It was twice as much as the real beef! :ready-to-eat:
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Perhaps it's twice the price because they know vegans are so gullible.
I noticed that the advertisements don't tout the health aspects of "plant-based meat". If fact, they don't say anything about the nutritional value of the product or compare it to animal-based meat at all other than to suggest it's tasty and looks the same. The ads just assume everyone will think its something good. Yet, according to at least one of the websites I linked above, they have to use a lot of synthetic chemicals in order to make it look and taste like real meat.
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The beyond burger I tried was at a Greek owned diner on a gluten free bun. Sweet potato fries were tasty but the beyond burger was yucky. It wasn’t that expensive.
I never go to Burger King because of gross sanitary conditions at the ones in our area.
Yes. Better off eating grass fed beef, venison, chicken, lamb, bison. Homemade Bean burgers are good. It is better to make your own hamburgers. I had scrapple this morning along with western omelette. Now that was good.
All that fake chicken, fake meat is vegetarian junk food.
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I have to admit that I'm surprised that no one on CathInfo seems to have any insight into the health aspects related to "plant-based meat" whether they be good or ill.
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There are already too many soy boys out there
Beyond Burgers are soy-free, being based on pea protein. They're very greasy, though. Many of these mock meats are made with modified proteins, and they're all heavily processed. Veggie burgers or real meat are better.
Soy and quinoa are the only plants with all the amino acids, so they're nothing wrong with soy per se. One would hardly call Asians "soy boys" because they actually know how to consume soy properly: fermented (soy sauce, tempeh) or minimally processed (tofu).
There are many good protein sources:
Shown below is protein "bang for your buck" (grams / British pound) vs. % total calories from protein (how rich a source of protein it is). The circle sizes correspond to how many grams each item needs to be to have 100 cal. (i.e., "energy density"):
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/CqppB.png)
from: this spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PnUZ3NnjUxXRGoLcdMsV6fztsmon4AMSzYcnOCwlG2M/edit#gid=0) (courtesy: WetlabStudent on Vegetarianism StackExchange (https://vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/a/733/811))
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Beyond Burgers are soy-free, being based on pea protein.
Yes, I saw in the articles in the links that some of these "plant-based meats" are based on peas, but most of them seem to be based on soy.
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most of them seem to be based on soy.
Yes, most are.
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The NWO is really pushing veganism as "helpful to the planet", but there is nothing more nutrient dense than grassfed beef, free range foul and eggs and other organic animal products. Wheat is totally destroyed by roundup during harvesting which is probably why there is an exponential jump in "gluten sensitivities"- not the gluten but the glyphosate causing the problems. The fake meat being pushed is processed junk.
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When a person has a diabetic episode, he's not fed bacon or beef to revive him. He's fed sugar (a plant nutrient). Get off the dead carcass diet, brah. Eat more plants (sugar and carbs). You eat dead flesh, and you become death.
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^ That alone tells you that sugar is an essential nutrient.
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Fats and oils paralyze insulin reception. Sugar increases insulin sensitivity, thereby, less insulin is needed. Dead flesh has the fats. Plants have the sugar. I'll take plants, thereby, still rock out single digit body fat, high energy levels, lean musculature, strength, endurance, and the sweet aroma being emitted from my person that the chickies love.
Meanwhile, you dead flesh-eaters will increase onset of morbidity, obesity, rot breath, and dead carcass odor.
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My sister in law is a vegan now. She likes the “impossible burger”... she suffers from anxiety, and depression. So, I wonder what kind of role the preservatives in those types of products play into those issues. I feel like the fake “plant” burgers are worst for you than an actual burger. *UNLESS* you make the plant/veggie burgers at home... I find they are a better more filling option than meat at times.
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That alone tells you that sugar is an essential nutrient.
There are many essential sugars (http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/glyconutrients-substitutes.html).
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Ch. 36 "Of the Sick Brethren" of St. Benedict's Rule (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/benedict/rule.xxxviii.html) understands that meat is for the sickly:
let the use of meat be granted to the sick and to the very weak for their recovery. But when they have been restored let them all abstain from meat in the usual manner.
Healthy people have no need for meat.
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We know from science that meat contains various essentials for life. Now, these can be had elsewhere, but it's not all that easy. Lots of health problems among vegetarians and vegans.
Now the Rule of St. Benedict did not exclude fish ... which would supply most of the same nutrients found in meat.
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Obviously, no one needs meat in order to be healthy. One can have a very healthy diet without meat. But, back to the purpose of this topic, can "plant-based meat" be a part of that healthy diet?
In other words, are foods that are heavily infused with synthetic chemicals (as "plant-based meats are) healthy? Do people who abstain from meat or vegans consume large doses of synthetic chemicals in healthy diets?
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When a person has a diabetic episode, he's not fed bacon or beef to revive him. He's fed sugar (a plant nutrient). Get off the dead carcass diet, brah. Eat more plants (sugar and carbs). You eat dead flesh, and you become death.
If the diabetic had been on a low or no carb meat based diet, he wouldnt have to be revived because his blood sugars would have been under control. As an emergency measure, yes glucose is given, but a diet high in carbs and sugar will increase circulating insulin which is highly inflamatory will raise triglycerides and worsen insulin resistance and diabetes. I am diabetic or was diabetic. Blood sugars are fine now.
PS- remember Peter's dream..........
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Obviously, no one needs meat in order to be healthy. One can have a very healthy diet without meat. But, back to the purpose of this topic, can "plant-based meat" be a part of that healthy diet?
In other words, are foods that are heavily infused with synthetic chemicals (as "plant-based meats are) healthy? Do people who abstain from meat or vegans consume large doses of synthetic chemicals in healthy diets?
Actually, no one needs plants to be healthy
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Actually, no one needs plants to be healthy
I didn't say that one would need to eat plants to be healthy. Of course, we do need plants since the meat we eat is from plant-eating animals.
The question at hand is not whether we need meat or whether we need plants to be healthy. The question at hand is whether "plant-based meat" is healthy. I have grave doubts about whether this stuff is healthy and it seems to me that it is positively dangerous to the health of those who consume it regularly.
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Lots of health problems among vegetarians and vegans.
Such as?
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Neurological and psychological problems from vitamin deficiencies like B12. Higher toxic overload from chemical fertilizers and pesticides ( even with "organic".) Incomplete protein metabolism and amino acid deficiencies.Mitochondrial disorders.Much higher inflamatory issues due to lectins and other plan irritants .Decreased muscle mass, difficulty maintaining muscle mass with exercise. Carbohydrates are the only macronutrient that a human can live without healthily.
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Carbohydrates are the only macronutrient that a human can live without healthily.
You think being a space cadet and drainbow is "healthy"? You're also wrong about insulin and sugar. The fact is sugar increases insulin sensitivity which means less insulin is needed. Fats greatly decrease insulin sensitivity because the receptors get all blocked. That means much higher insulin levels in the blood.
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You think being a space cadet and drainbow is "healthy"? You're also wrong about insulin and sugar. The fact is sugar increases insulin sensitivity which means less insulin is needed. Fats greatly decrease insulin sensitivity because the receptors get all blocked. That means much higher insulin levels in the blood.
Back again already?
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Will burying apple seeds grow apple trees provided there is adequate watering? Is it that easy to grow apple trees?
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Will burying apple seeds grow apple trees provided there is adequate watering? Is it that easy to grow apple trees?
https://www.almanac.com/plant/apples (https://www.almanac.com/plant/apples)
Depends on climate and soil I'd imagine.
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You think being a space cadet and drainbow is "healthy"? You're also wrong about insulin and sugar. The fact is sugar increases insulin sensitivity which means less insulin is needed. Fats greatly decrease insulin sensitivity because the receptors get all blocked. That means much higher insulin levels in the blood.
Space cadet here. Fat does NOT effect blood sugar in any way. Sugar and carbs spike blood sugar and causes an insulin surge to lower the blood gucose, so yes originally there is initial sensitivity, but as time goes on the cells ,resist the insulin and do not allow any more glucose to enter the cells- the ineffectiveness of the insulin, along with high blood sugars(diabetes) and high insulin in the blood cause obesity ( ask any type one diabetic that has been injecting insulin all their lives- more insulin, more weight gain)For awhile and maybe all of their lives, some people s have effective and sensitive insulin glucose reactions. But for the millions with insulin resistance and type ll diabetes this is not the case. Blood sugar spikes for long periods are dangerous and lead to insulin resistance. Healthier to dump the sugar and carbs to stay off meds.
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Not all fats are equal. Many today are unnaturally made, so it's possible that they screw with the body somehow. Mongrel, do you have any articles on this? Thx.
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True- processed seed oils (canola/ rape seed ,corn oil) are filled with phytates and are super inflammatory , as well as are all hydrogenated fats.
Staying with natural animal based unprocessed fats are best,(butter) but oil from the fruit of the plant ( not the seed) are ok like olive oil, avacado oil and coconut. The Ratio of omega 3 ( natural animal fats and non seed oils) compared to omega 6 ( processed oils and fats) must be improved and is so out of balance today.
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True- processed seed oils (canola/ rape seed ,corn oil) are filled with phytates and are super inflammatory , as well as are all hydrogenated fats.
Staying with natural animal based unprocessed fats are best,(butter) but oil from the fruit of the plant ( not the seed) are ok like olive oil, avacado oil and coconut. The Ratio of omega 3 ( natural animal fats and non seed oils) compared to omega 6 ( processed oils and fats) must be improved and is so out of balance today.
I’ve been using Algae oil lately... it’s great for dressings, cooking, and baking. It has a very light taste thats almost unnoticeable, and the oil is great for your heart.
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I’ve been using Algae oil lately... it’s great for dressings, cooking, and baking. It has a very light taste thats almost unnoticeable, and the oil is great for your heart.
I've never seen Algae oil or, at least, I've never noticed it. Do you have a brand name and vendor?
Not all fats are equal. Many today are unnaturally made, so it's possible that they screw with the body somehow. Mongrel, do you have any articles on this? Thx.
Then you are saying that this "plant-based meat" with containing numerous synthetic chemicals is probably not healthy?
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Soy mimics estrogen, so they're trying to create more fαɢs.
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Tkgs, here is a link for the product name. I’m sure other places have it, but I just copied the first link I found.https://www.target.com/p/thrive-algae-oil-bottle-16-9oz/-/A-53519708?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&fndsrc=tgtao&CPNG=PLA_Grocery%2BShopping&adgroup=SC_Grocery&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=m&location=1028087&gclsrc=aw.ds&ds_rl=1246978&ds_rl=1247077&ds_rl=1246978&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi8mol7Kp5AIVaB-tBh0UYAW3EAQYASABEgKvqPD_BwE (https://www.target.com/p/thrive-algae-oil-bottle-16-9oz/-/A-53519708?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&fndsrc=tgtao&CPNG=PLA_Grocery%2BShopping&adgroup=SC_Grocery&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=m&location=1028087&gclsrc=aw.ds&ds_rl=1246978&ds_rl=1247077&ds_rl=1246978&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi8mol7Kp5AIVaB-tBh0UYAW3EAQYASABEgKvqPD_BwE)
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It's very, very weird. If you need to cut meat out of your diet, there's better ways than this.