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Offline Jaynek

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Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2019, 04:23:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 25, 2019, 04:01:16 PM
    What else should I feel but contempt for willful ignorance.  What a contemptuous act, to so pervert one's thinking that you continue to believe in something, that cannot be true because it flies in the face of human reason and simple maths.  You can offer no evidence or even explanation, but continue to believe because your will brushes aside your reason.

    Exactly the same diabolical disorientation, in fact, that we see by those who defend homesɛҳuąƖ "marriage" or the idea that the 1972 Olympic Decathlon Champion, supremely masculine in 10 sports, could transmute into a female. Such perversion of thought is a slap in the face of God who gave you a rational mind and it IS utterly contemptous.
    Some things are worthy of contempt.  You act as if anyone who disagrees with you for whatever reason is stupid and worthy of contempt.
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #106 on: January 25, 2019, 04:24:35 PM »
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    • https://www.integrativepractitioner.com/topics/news/harvard-study-has-good-news-for-homeopathic-medicine


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    Harvard Study Has Good News for Homeopathic Medicine
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    The interest of this journal in this publication is linked to possible public health benefits from the use of homeopathic medicine. The principal investigator was Michelle Dossett, MD, PhD and the team also included placebo expert Ted Kaptchuk, OMD. They hail from Harvard’s School of Public Health and from a Harvard Medical School affiliated hospital, Beth Israel Deaconess. The teams notes that prior studies of homeopathy “suggest potential public health benefits such as reductions in unnecessary antibiotic usage, reductions in costs to treat certain respiratory diseases, improvements in peri-menopausal depression, improved health outcomes in chronically ill individuals, and control of a Leptospirosis epidemic in Cuba.”
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #107 on: January 25, 2019, 04:34:55 PM »
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #108 on: January 25, 2019, 06:10:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 25, 2019, 03:38:31 PM
    Nobody here on this forum has even attempted to give or point me to a biochemical process of what happens, and how the curative action takes place.  It is all just "woo" and "my sister got better".  The problem is that people have said the same about leeches and lucky rabbits feet and all sorts of other quackery over the ages.
    So far no homeopath is here to explain or defend himself. Do any of us ask for the details of double blind studies when we go to the doctor for a script for, say, bronchitis or heart disease or asthma. And I wonder if you asked your doctor could he give you an adequate answer that he can explain and you could understand.
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    You know that if it works and does not cause you any unnecessary suffering you will continue for the full treatment and take for granted that all is well. After all, what most of us desire is to feel well and to be well.
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    I don't care how heart medications work, as long as they do work. I do not need or want to know the science behind it. Similarly with homeopathy. If it works for you, use it. If you don't want to use it, then don't use it.
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    And whatever you do, be true to yourself. DON'T sign the petition.
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    Gg, here is a little homework for you. You can swot up on the magic of leeches here:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5741396/
    http://www.leechestherapy.com/about-leeches/benefits
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #109 on: January 26, 2019, 12:06:21 PM »
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    • Leeches are irrelvant.  Because their use today is specific and not what they were used for in the past.  Their use in the past was superstitous quackery.

    Yes, the US went to the moon, six times.

    There are reflectors on the moon put there by astronauts that the Chinese and other nations have bounced laser range finders off.

    If the Chinese believed the US had not gone to the moon, they would certainly go there themselves and humiliate the USA for staging such an enormous lie.  As would have communist Russia in the early 1970s.  Both those nations could very easily determine if it was a lie and would have huge political incentive to expose it to the world.

    The damage to the reputation of the USA would be enormous and indeed the prestige of the first men to really step on the moon would then go to China or Russia.

    So you have to be an unthinking fool to think it was faked.  The truth is people believe this nonsense because it makes them feel special and set apart, as though they belong to a small group with unique understanding.
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #110 on: January 26, 2019, 12:21:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 26, 2019, 12:06:21 PM
    Yes, the US went to the moon, six times.

    :laugh1:
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #111 on: January 26, 2019, 12:23:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 26, 2019, 12:06:21 PM
    There are reflectors on the moon put there by astronauts that the Chinese and other nations have bounced laser range finders off.

    fixed it for you
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #112 on: January 26, 2019, 12:30:32 PM »
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    • Hey ggreg, let us know what ails you and lets see if we can figure out what to give you, something homeopathic for you to try. Can't hurt if it's only water. So what ails you these days?
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #113 on: January 26, 2019, 01:19:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 26, 2019, 12:06:21 PM
    Leeches are irrelvant.  Because their use today is specific and not what they were used for in the past.  Their use in the past was superstitous quackery.

    Leeches are very relevant.  They actually worked sometimes and now we know why.  The reason that things become traditional folk remedies is because they often work.  And they work long before science can explain why.   Similarly, traditional foods tend to be much healthier than modern processed stuff.  People figured out which foods should be fermented or soaked hundreds or even thousands of years ago and only recently has science been able to explain why they were right to do so.  Traditional wisdom is often centuries ahead of science.  Dismissing things merely because science cannot explain them is making science into a superstition.   This sort of scientism is superstitious quackery.
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #114 on: January 26, 2019, 03:18:06 PM »
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    • They did not work.  Look at the purpose that the FDA approved them for.  Not what they were used for in the past.
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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #115 on: January 26, 2019, 08:55:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 26, 2019, 12:30:32 PM
    Hey ggreg, let us know what ails you and lets see if we can figure out what to give you, something homeopathic for you to try. Can't hurt if it's only water. So what ails you these days?
    There is no cure for miserable.

    But this may be worth a try...

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    Re: Petition to protect Homeopathy
    « Reply #116 on: January 26, 2019, 11:03:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: ggreg on January 26, 2019, 03:18:06 PM
    They did not work.  Look at the purpose that the FDA approved them for.  Not what they were used for in the past.

    Obviously they worked sometimes.  Leech saliva is full of chemicals with medicinal properties.  There are many conditions that leeches would improve.  Didn't you look at the link that Nadir gave?  FDA approval means that it has gone through testing, not that there are no other possible applications.
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