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Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
« on: March 23, 2020, 09:29:39 AM »
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  •  Patients over 60 denied access to respiratory machines
    Posted: 22 Mar 2020 04:44 PM PDT


    DAILYKENN.com -- An Israeli physician said people over 60 will not have access to respiratory machines. Gai Peleg was reflecting on conditions in north Italy where the China Virus seems entrenched. 


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    Italy suffered more coronavirus-related victims than China with 4,825 confirmed deaths and 5,000 confirmed patients in the last 24 hours, Channel 12 reported on Sunday. 

    The far-left mainstream media is failing to remind us that the coronavirus was likely introduced to Italy by a Pakistani alien who worked for a Chinese restaurant. 
     
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #1 on: March 23, 2020, 01:28:06 PM »
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  • In Italy the cutoff is 65.
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 03:40:00 PM »
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  • This is evil is worse than evil or World War II. 

    This global crime against humanity. 
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #3 on: March 23, 2020, 03:45:11 PM »
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  • Maybe put them on oxygen masks. 
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #4 on: March 23, 2020, 06:04:54 PM »
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  • Maybe put them on oxygen masks.
    Oxygen does not work when the lungs are too weak, which is why respirators, which breathe in and out, are sometimes necessary.
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #5 on: March 23, 2020, 06:36:45 PM »
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  • Let's say you have one respirator left and two people who need it.  One is 35, but the other 70.

    How do you decide who gets it?  Do you flip a coin?  Or can you say, "well, the 35 year old has a 3x better chance of survival if he gets a respirator than the 70-year-old, who has a 75% chance of dying even if he gets one?"

    To go with the 35-year-old in this case is not really direct euthanasia ... it's more like a form of triage.  Now, to say that IN PRINCIPLE no one over 60 should get a respirator, that's certainly wrong.

    Let's say you're a medic on a battlefield, and there are two wounded soldiers.  You can only get to one of them at a time.  Who do you get to first?  Could you decide based on the consideration, "this guy over here has a 90% chance of dying even if I help, but this other guy would likely survive if I help him."  Is that an immoral decision?  I don't think so.  That is not euthanasia at all.

    You still take every measure you possibly can to save that aforementioned hypothetical 70-year-old, but the decision of who gets the respirator can be made on chances of survival.  If I gave the respirator to the 70-year-old and withhold it from the 35-year-old, there's a high probability that BOTH would die, the 35-year-old because he didn't get it and the 70-year-old despite of having it.

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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #6 on: March 23, 2020, 06:50:31 PM »
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    An Israeli physician said people over 60 will not have access to respiratory machines.
    That's socialized medicine. They do not have enough money for the machines.
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    « Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 07:38:08 PM »
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  • That's socialized medicine. [The Israelis] do not have enough money for the machines.

    By contrast, the State of New York arguably did have enough money to bring its installed base of ventilators up to the number it had been forecast (in 2015) to need for a future pandemic, but Gov. Cuomo refused to spend it.  Instead, he ordered rules devised for triage by providing or denying patient access to ventilators.  Then the State spent even more money by building a green power "boondoggle ‘Buffalo Billion’ solar panel factory" [*]:

    Quote from: Betsy McCaughey for Creators Syndicate

    New York's Ventilator Rationing Plan
    March 18, 2020

    I was disappointed that she didn't actually describe that plan.  But I now have yet another reason to thank God that I don't live in New York.

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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #8 on: March 23, 2020, 09:09:30 PM »
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    An Israeli physician said
    That's about as far as I read in that article..... ::)

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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 09:44:30 PM »
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  • That's about as far as I read in that article..... ::)
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #10 on: March 24, 2020, 05:25:21 AM »
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  • VENTILATOR

    RESPIRATOR is what I get at work when dealing with a person who has an airborne disease
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    Re: Patients over 60 denied access to repiratory machines
    « Reply #11 on: March 24, 2020, 06:33:15 AM »
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  • That's socialized medicine. They do not have enough money for the machines.

    Never fear, the U.S. will come to the rescue and send them many ventilators ... even while our economy goes broke and our citizens are dying for lack of ventilators.