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Offline NatusPrimus

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Other Parents Badgered to Circuмcise?
« on: January 19, 2013, 01:17:41 AM »
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  • I’d like to know if other (trad.) Catholic parents have been pestered or badgered by medical staff about having their sons circuмcised.  They blabber a litany of reasons to do it, but when asked or challenged about why not to do it, they stand there like morons and sputter while struggling to think of something to say.

    My wife and I are faced with this fight, again, in a couple of months when our 4th son will be born and were curious about other parents’ experiences or how they handled this situation.

    Antonio


    Offline Telesphorus

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    Other Parents Badgered to Circuмcise?
    « Reply #1 on: January 19, 2013, 01:26:49 AM »
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  • It is bizarre.  The only explanation that could really account for it is the Jєωιѕн power.  And of course, that's the explanation that will never be accepted by so many.

    Anyway, just refuse.  It seems simple enough to me.



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    Other Parents Badgered to Circuмcise?
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2013, 01:30:46 AM »
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  • People tend to have a hard time refusing those things whose motivations they are conditioned not to question.

    There can be no serious opposition to something if one by compulsion cannot directly name the adversaries pushing it and their motivations.

    There are many political conflicts in which this paralysis cripples opposition.

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    Other Parents Badgered to Circuмcise?
    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2013, 02:05:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It is bizarre.  The only explanation that could really account for it is the Jєωιѕн power.  And of course, that's the explanation that will never be accepted by so many.

    Anyway, just refuse.  It seems simple enough to me.


    Puritanism and the XIXth-century New England cult of civilised "cleanliness" (such that non-circuмcision was considered barbaric, much like sleeping in the same bed as one spouse was considered animalistic and physically dirty and gross) seem to have played a strong role as well.  Calvinists seem to have a unique affinity with the Judaics.

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    Other Parents Badgered to Circuмcise?
    « Reply #4 on: January 19, 2013, 03:12:10 AM »
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  • Whose son is he?

    Why not tell them to mind their own?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Other Parents Badgered to Circuмcise?
    « Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 06:36:31 AM »
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  • It can be hard to stand up to the medical establishment while seeking care from them, especially in OB or peds. The state gives them a great deal of power and civil laws supposedly error on the side of caution so what they seek is rubber stamped. There is also this thought that parents are ignorant and they know better.

    For example I didn't want the group B strep test, my OB told me they would treat the baby as he was infected and if I refused they would go to court.

    I didn't want my son circuмcised but my former husband did and my OB was pushing it so it was done. He has problems from it. :(  




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    « Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 10:58:39 AM »
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  • Neither of my sons were circuмcised and neither of them have ever had any problems and they are both well into their twenties.

    Just politely say no.  Tell them you have educated yourself on the subject, you've read about the pros and cons and decline to have the procedure done.

    Then slap on a big smile and say "thanks for your input"!   :laugh2:

    If your doc keeps pestering you find a new doc.

    Same goes for vaccines.  One of my sons printed out about 50 pages of docuмentation on the dangers of vaccines and kept it with him anytime they had to take a kid to a doc.  Without exception he was better educated on the subject than ANY of the docs.

    Might be a good thing to do w/the circuмcision issue.  Print out articles about why it is unnecessary and the attendant risks and keep it with you to show/share with anyone who tries to insist you do it.  Maybe you'll change a few minds if you have the info in black and white.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 02:30:17 PM »
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  • Pass it by!  The more money they can get, the more push.  God made us as we were meant to be.  

    I heard in the news, that more case workers are being hired on.  Hospitals have CPS just waiting to take your child away.  If the child has a broken bone, they call CPS in.  If you fight against Hepititas shot that the gov't made mandatory, watch out!  Anything for money and tear the family apart.  IF CPS threatens you to court, just tell them fine, ok we will be ready and take your child HOME!


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    « Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 04:18:07 PM »
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  • It's a non-issue. I am asked if I choose to circuмcise. I answer. Done.

    I have 6 boys, 4 circuмcised, 2 not and I've never been questioned either way.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 19, 2013, 04:33:32 PM »
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  • Don't get angry or hysterical either.
    You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

    I decline Hep B. In some states I have had to sign a waiver, in some I don't, in CT my pediatrician waved the consent at me said, "You don't want this, right? " and then tore it up. No one has EVER come close to threatening to take my baby away. I have had children break bones, including in odd ways among other injuries like deep lacerations and concussions. Again no one has threatened to take my children away. My pediatrician recommends something, I decline, he may make his case again, I say"I'll think about it" and we move on. We have a healthy respect for each others expertise and get along swimmingly even if we don't see eye-eye on every little thing and even on some pretty big things (like the current CDC vaccination schedule)

    There is little that should happen with a healthy baby that would cause an OB, pediatrician or nurse to get all heated about. Declining circuмcision, Hep B, Vit K, postponing eye ointment...these things are all quite common and shouldn't shock anybody let alone cause them to waste time arguing with you about.

    If someone really starts harassing you ask to speak to their supervisor, be it nurse manager or chief pediatrics or what have you. Tell them that you appreciate their concern, this is your decision and you ask that their staff stop harassing you. Next step is the patient care representative. This is a person who often acts as an arbiter between discontent patients/families and staff. Like I said, if you are not endangering your baby's health which declining Hep B or not circuмcising certainly doesn't qualify, it shouldn't get this far.


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    « Reply #10 on: January 19, 2013, 05:02:38 PM »
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  • Now, I've been meaning to bring up this topic for a while. I was under the impression that circuмcision had some religious significance. It's celebrated in the liturgical year, Circuмcision of our Lord so if the custom was purely Judaic why would we continue to celebrate it for 1900 years. We have a 5 month old boy who has not been circuмcised yet but I thought the propaganda was the other way around. My sisters were all encourged by the doctors not to circuмcise, I was suspicious because it seems anything we've been doing for the last 2000 years seems to be under attack. They do live in Canada however where medical care is free (and taxes are 50%) so maybe it's not a big deal either way.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 19, 2013, 05:42:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Thursday
    I was suspicious because it seems anything we've been doing for the last 2000 years seems to be under attack.


    That's true, except in this case what is under attack is the Catholic rejection of judaizing.  St. Paul insisted firmly the truth, (and the Council of Florence reiterates it) that Catholics are not in any way required to follow the circuмcision.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 19, 2013, 05:52:50 PM »
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  • I'm rather curious as to when, how and why it became so broadly popular.

    Is it just in the USA, or is it throughout Europe too?

    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #13 on: January 19, 2013, 05:59:04 PM »
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  • momofmany: IN AZ, hospitals do bring in CPS for broken or what appears to be broken bones for an example, even brusies no matter how slight.  It happened to our grand daughter and it is a terrifying experience to say the least.  The doctor of our grand daughter was furious with CPS.  I met a nurse who said she left the hospital we were involved with and she said it is all the hospitals.  You are fortunate it did not happen to you.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 19, 2013, 05:59:14 PM »
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  • One of the main reasons given by the doctors for not circuмcising is that it interferes with sɛҳuąƖ satisfaction later in life. This also made me a bit suspicious.