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Traditional Catholic Faith => Health and Nutrition => Topic started by: AnthonyPadua on August 27, 2024, 07:19:03 PM
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Big scam, they are ignorant and make a lot of money from these things.
A person gets crooked teeth due to poor oral posture (caused by improper breathing and a bad (weak/soft) diet (bad swallowing and chewing as well)). Instead of helping the patient by expanding the palate, they instead chose to extract your teeth and move your teeth around to give you a straight smile. There is plenty of evidence from the skulls of natives just a generation ago with perfect jaws and healthily teeth that environmental factors are the cause of bad teeth (diet/posture).
I am kinda annoyed I had my wisdom teeth extracted when I was a teenager, because it "might have grown crooked". I feel bad for those who had more extractions done to get braces, luckily for me I always enjoyed chomping and whole carrots and apples so I did have some degree of hard foods to promote proper facial growth so my teeth weren't crooked enough for braces.
The only time you should get teeth extracted is if you have a rotten tooth or infection, and you can always get a false tooth replacement.
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What about wisdom teeth that are horizontally impacted? What do you suggest?
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What about wisdom teeth that are horizontally impacted? What do you suggest?
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What about wisdom teeth that are horizontally impacted? What do you suggest?
If they are actually causing you problem then get them removed. There is a difference between a current problem and a may be a problem.
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If they are actually causing you problem then get them removed. There is a difference between a current problem and a may be a problem.
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Of course depending on how bad the problem is it may be possible to fix the growth by fixing the face.
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My dentist when I was a teenager didn't believe in extractions as long as those teeth were coming in OK. So I didn't get the first one removed till I was already into my 40s. Eventually all four had to come out; apparently with aging there's some bone loss at the rear edges of the jaws.
Weston A. Price wrote (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/traditional-diets/nasty-brutish-and-short/#gsc.tab=0) that our ancestors with their more nutritious and less processed diets gave birth to babies with sturdier crania in which wisdom teeth weren't later crowded and crooked. I don't know how many of them did manage to take their third molars with them to their graves, but I'm grateful that my peasant forebears gave me this precious legacy of such a thick skull.... :laugh1:
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I was just thinking about a year ago that people in old times most likely did not have wisdom teeth extracted so obviously something had to have changed from old times to current times to have that have to be a thing for 90% of the population. Man were extracted at age 13 so I didn't know any better and just trusted the system and my parents that that is what needed done. I do wonder how they dealt with it in the past. This OP offers a little insight so thanks AnthonyPadua.
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I was just thinking about a year ago that people in old times most likely did not have wisdom teeth extracted so obviously something had to have changed from old times to current times to have that have to be a thing for 90% of the population. Man were extracted at age 13 so I didn't know any better and just trusted the system and my parents that that is what needed done. I do wonder how they dealt with it in the past. This OP offers a little insight so thanks AnthonyPadua.
If you want to learn more I recommend researching orthotropics and 'mewing'. Interesting enough there was a book written in the 1800s on nose breathing and similar issues.
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If you want to learn more I recommend researching orthotropics and 'mewing'. Interesting enough there was a book written in the 1800s on nose breathing and similar issues.
I thought the difference was largely a product of age. My understanding is that palate expanders can be used in children, but not adults. Several of our children have had expanders; none have had extractions.
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I thought the difference was largely a product of age. My understanding is that palate expanders can be used in children, but not adults. Several of our children have had expanders; none have had extractions.
From what I've seen/read it's still possible to get bone growth even after 25, though it takes years and is very slow. Of course there are extremely methods for faster results but those also have their levels of risk. Children and teenagers see the quickest and best results for the obvious reasons.
Also there are some 'lines' in your skull that don't fuse until your 70s, the palate line is one of them.
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My dentist when I was a teenager didn't believe in extractions as long as those teeth were coming in OK. So I didn't get the first one removed till I was already into my 40s. Eventually all four had to come out; apparently with aging there's some bone loss at the rear edges of the jaws.
Before I got my braces about 45 years ago, my orthodontist told my parents that I needed to have 4 of my regular teeth removed (one in each corner) to make room as the teeth were crowded.
I don't know how much money was made on that decision (which would have been made by a different dentist anyway, so the orthodontist wasn't making a decision for personal gain). I suspect not all that much money back then given my braces were much cheaper than they are these days as well. I tend to think that our orthodontist probably made the right call.
Was using an expander even an option back then? I've never heard of this. Although extractions aren't fun, they aren't long lasting. Expansion of the palate sounds absolutely excruciating and long lasting.
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Palates have gotten smaller with teeth crowding over the past century due to modern diets.
https://www.drcarmenburke.com/blog/who-was-weston-a-price#:~:text=Weston%20A.,dental%20decay%20and%20physical%20degeneration.
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Expansion of the palate sounds absolutely excruciating and long lasting.
I didn't realize this was a rare thing, but for kids it is neither excruciating nor long lasting (30-60 days depending on circuмstances). The appliance is moved only slightly each day so you actually experience less discomfort than braces which are typically adjusted monthly.
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I didn't realize this was a rare thing, but for kids it is neither excruciating nor long lasting (30-60 days depending on circuмstances). The appliance is moved only slightly each day so you actually experience less discomfort than braces which are typically adjusted monthly.
It probably isn't rare. I'm just not in the know given I don't have kids of my own.
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When I was in the Air Force twenty-five years ago, I had the required dental checkup with the AF dentist. He said I should have my wisdom teeth (one on each side) pulled or filled (mercury poisoning) because I had a cavity in each of the two teeth. I said "no". My squadron superiors tried to pressure me to get one of the procedures done but I still said "no". I even thought they could put some type of a surveillance chip or transmitter in the filling (government experiments on service members), and this was before Alex Jones. :cowboy:
I still have those two teeth, today. No tooth aches or any problems.
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Mike mew (British orthodontist) said:
"Important note; modern adults (or anyone over the age of 9) tend to have a molar width of 29 to 34mm. Anyone with 35 to 38mm will find it much easier but still very hard to make progressive improvements without any formal therapy, and as a rule of thumb when I finish therapy any one who can maintain 38mm or more without retainers tends to maintain good alignment almost indefinitely, with a minimal effort. During childrens treatment expand to 42mm for a girl and 44mm for a boy, clearly some of this is tipping of the molars. Ancient man had an inter-molar width in the high 40's to low 50's."
This lack of expansion of the face is why a lot of people don't have good facial development, which in turn leads to modern people being less attractive than past peoples. Then you add on to this dental extractions and you make faces looks much worse with recession in the upper and lower jaws. Which is why so many people have that melted chin/face look. It's due to bad diets, and bad dental practices making things worse. (Though in rare cases it's genetics for most people it's not).
Proper nutrition of the mother while pregnant and breast feeding is very important.
Adequate breastfeeding is also important.
And good NUTRITIOUS healthy diets where the jaw and muscles actually get worked are important.
The most important time for development is in the womb and early years and then early childhood. Modern diets (soft processed foods + SUGAR) is very bad.
For reference my IMW is 35mm which is considered to be average nowadays (but historically high 40s-low 50s was NORMAL) but this is actually low compared to the past.
Also note that your tooth size will effect IMW, smaller teeth will have a larger IMW on average.
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Palates have gotten smaller with teeth crowding over the past century due to modern diets.
https://www.drcarmenburke.com/blog/who-was-weston-a-price#:~:text=Weston%20A.,dental%20decay%20and%20physical%20degeneration.
Yes
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Mike mew (British orthodontist) said:
"Important note; modern adults (or anyone over the age of 9) tend to have a molar width of 29 to 34mm. Anyone with 35 to 38mm will find it much easier but still very hard to make progressive improvements without any formal therapy, and as a rule of thumb when I finish therapy any one who can maintain 38mm or more without retainers tends to maintain good alignment almost indefinitely, with a minimal effort. During childrens treatment expand to 42mm for a girl and 44mm for a boy, clearly some of this is tipping of the molars. Ancient man had an inter-molar width in the high 40's to low 50's."
This lack of expansion of the face is why a lot of people don't have good facial development, which in turn leads to modern people being less attractive than past peoples. Then you add on to this dental extractions and you make faces looks much worse with recession in the upper and lower jaws. Which is why so many people have that melted chin/face look. It's due to bad diets, and bad dental practices making things worse. (Though in rare cases it's genetics for most people it's not).
Proper nutrition of the mother while pregnant and breast feeding is very important.
Adequate breastfeeding is also important.
And good NUTRITIOUS healthy diets where the jaw and muscles actually get worked are important.
The most important time for development is in the womb and early years and then early childhood. Modern diets (soft processed foods + SUGAR) is very bad.
For reference my IMW is 35mm which is considered to be average nowadays (but historically high 40s-low 50s was NORMAL) but this is actually low compared to the past.
Also note that your tooth size will effect IMW, smaller teeth will have a larger IMW on average.
He just got that from Dr. Weston Price ...
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/nutrition-greats/weston-a-price-dds/
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For reference my IMW is 35mm which is considered to be average nowadays (but historically high 40s-low 50s was NORMAL) but this is actually low compared to the past.
A quick google search gave me this
The average intermolar width, the distance between the buccal surfaces of the first molars, is around 42.5 to 43.5 mm in adults, with slight variations between genders and skeletal classes.
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He just got that from Dr. Weston Price ...
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/nutrition-greats/weston-a-price-dds/
Lad you have children, how are their diets and teeth? Just trying to get some anecdotes.
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Proper nutrition of the mother while pregnant and breast feeding is very important.
Adequate breastfeeding is also important.
And good NUTRITIOUS healthy diets where the jaw and muscles actually get worked are important.
The most important time for development is in the womb and early years and then early childhood. Modern diets (soft processed foods + SUGAR) is very bad.
Those are the main things, but there are things you can't really do anything about.
Eg.
Modern Test levels are much lower in the modern world
Estrogen and hormone 'stuff' in the water
Grain fed animals (even grass fed labels can be a lie)
In Australia, while "grass-fed" beef is a common label, there's no official certification or legal requirement to ensure cattle are truly grass-fed, meaning producers can still feed grain for up to 89 days and still label it as "grass-fed".
Hormone injections to make animals grow larger (and they still charge you more)
Less nutrients in the soil
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I thought the difference was largely a product of age. My understanding is that palate expanders can be used in children, but not adults. Several of our children have had expanders; none have had extractions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5S5AZ50pAE
I found this video recently, a 70yr man had success with a homeoblock.
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Drink raw milk.
While banned in a lot of places (including Australia) there is a loophole - it is sold as “bath milk”
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Even worse are root canals.
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Even worse are root canals.
I had a root canal done about 5 or 6 years ago, I was dreading it having had one many years prior. To my surprise, it was really no big deal, in fact I'd say it was no worse than getting a filling outside of the extra time in the chair. Pleasantly surprised the whole time. Maybe the technology to perform them has changed? I don't know not being anything remotely close to a dental expert.
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I had one of my wisdom teeth removed in my early teens. I also had a permanent tooth stain from a high fever as child that I eventually had covered through bonding. I had braces in my teen years as well. Some of the issues are genetic. Good oral hygiene helps prevent some of them.
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I had one of my wisdom teeth removed in my early teens. I also had a permanent tooth stain from a high fever as child that I eventually had covered through bonding. I had braces in my teen years as well. Some of the issues are genetic. Good oral hygiene helps prevent some of them.
Wisdom teeth dont tend to impact the face when removed, but molars removed do, especially when young. Some people are affected more then others as per their genetics and diets when young.
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During Lent, I had a wisdom tooth extracted. It was causing infection and forcing other teeth into painful positions.
The dentist is a holistic one; the procedure was, believe it or not, painless. (Results may vary, of course.) They prescribed an antibiotic and recommended OTC pain relievers.
Biological Oral Surgery in New Jersey | Dental Surgery in NJ (https://holisticdentalcenternj.com/dental-services/biological-oral-surgery/)
They use a process called PRF platelet therapy, using platelets from the patient's blood to heal the extraction site.
Feels so good to have that bad boy out of my mouth.
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During Lent, I had a wisdom tooth extracted. It was causing infection and forcing other teeth into painful positions.
The dentist is a holistic one; the procedure was, believe it or not, painless. (Results may vary, of course.) They prescribed an antibiotic and recommended OTC pain relievers.
Biological Oral Surgery in New Jersey | Dental Surgery in NJ (https://holisticdentalcenternj.com/dental-services/biological-oral-surgery/)
They use a process called PRF platelet therapy, using platelets from the patient's blood to heal the extraction site.
Feels so good to have that bad boy out of my mouth.
I don’t know if this is a good question or not, but was your wisdom tooth impacted? I always thought, and may have always been wrong, that an impacted wisdom tooth is more painful to remove , Glad the process went well for you
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What about wisdom teeth that are horizontally impacted? What do you suggest?
Experiencing this issue now..
Need to find a holistic dentist to remove it..
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Experiencing this issue now..
Need to find a holistic dentist to remove it..
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Just had two of my wisdom teeth removed today in Mexico! this was sort of a spur of the moment type thing and my dentist did not do the PRP injection but
Praise be to God for allowing me to get this much needed surgery.
(They look gnarly, I know)
(https://i.imgur.com/XT7OfzO.jpeg)
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Just had two of my wisdom teeth removed today in Mexico! this was sort of a spur of the moment type thing and my dentist did not do the PRP injection but
Praise be to God for allowing me to get this much needed surgery.
(They look gnarly, I know)
(https://i.imgur.com/XT7OfzO.jpeg)
So glad it worked out for you! Hope your recovery isn't too bad. I am tooth sensitive and got REALLY sick for a week after my 4 impacted wisdom teeth were taken out. 🥰🙏
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So glad it worked out for you! Hope your recovery isn't too bad. I am tooth sensitive and got REALLY sick for a week after my 4 impacted wisdom teeth were taken out. 🥰🙏
Thank you for your kind words. I'm sorry to hear about your past cross and post operation illness. I did manage to go out into town today for errands. I informed some people about my recent operation and they each shared with me their own wisdom tooth stories.
"not fun, had all 4 removed in one go, very painful, locked in a dark room for two days"
I'm grateful to not be in much pain right now. praise be to God! :pray:
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Thank you for your kind words. I'm sorry to hear about your past cross and post operation illness. I did manage to go out into town today for errands. I informed some people about my recent operation and they each shared with me their own wisdom tooth stories.
"not fun, had all 4 removed in one go, very painful, locked in a dark room for two days"
I'm grateful to not be in much pain right now. praise be to God! :pray:
That is amazing that you are doing so well! Thanks be to God! 😇
I find it interesting hearing different people's experiences with teeth pulling. ;)