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Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2024, 06:09:13 PM »
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  • When I was in the Air Force twenty-five years ago, I had the required dental checkup with the AF dentist. He said I should have my wisdom teeth (one on each side) pulled or filled (mercury poisoning) because I had a cavity in each of the two teeth. I said "no". My squadron superiors tried to pressure me to get one of the procedures done but I still said "no". I even thought they could put some type of a surveillance chip or transmitter in the filling (government experiments on service members), and this was before Alex Jones. :cowboy:

    I still have those two teeth, today. No tooth aches or any problems.
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    facial structure and intermolar width (diets/nutrition)
    « Reply #16 on: April 08, 2025, 09:02:24 PM »
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  • Mike mew (British orthodontist) said:

    "Important note; modern adults (or anyone over the age of 9) tend to have a molar width of 29 to 34mm. Anyone with 35 to 38mm will find it much easier but still very hard to make progressive improvements without any formal therapy, and as a rule of thumb when I finish therapy any one who can maintain 38mm or more without retainers tends to maintain good alignment almost indefinitely, with a minimal effort. During childrens treatment expand to 42mm for a girl and 44mm for a boy, clearly some of this is tipping of the molars. Ancient man had an inter-molar width in the high 40's to low 50's."



    This lack of expansion of the face is why a lot of people don't have good facial development, which in turn leads to modern people being less attractive than past peoples. Then you add on to this dental extractions and you make faces looks much worse with recession in the upper and lower jaws. Which is why so many people have that melted chin/face look. It's due to bad diets, and bad dental practices making things worse. (Though in rare cases it's genetics for most people it's not).

    Proper nutrition of the mother while pregnant and breast feeding is very important.

    Adequate breastfeeding is also important.
    And good NUTRITIOUS healthy diets where the jaw and muscles actually get worked are important.

    The most important time for development is in the womb and early years and then early childhood. Modern diets (soft processed foods + SUGAR) is very bad.

    For reference my IMW is 35mm which is considered to be average nowadays (but historically high 40s-low 50s was NORMAL) but this is actually low compared to the past.

    Also note that your tooth size will effect IMW, smaller teeth will have a larger IMW on average.


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    Re: facial structure and intermolar width (diets/nutrition)
    « Reply #18 on: April 08, 2025, 09:07:05 PM »
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  • Mike mew (British orthodontist) said:

    "Important note; modern adults (or anyone over the age of 9) tend to have a molar width of 29 to 34mm. Anyone with 35 to 38mm will find it much easier but still very hard to make progressive improvements without any formal therapy, and as a rule of thumb when I finish therapy any one who can maintain 38mm or more without retainers tends to maintain good alignment almost indefinitely, with a minimal effort. During childrens treatment expand to 42mm for a girl and 44mm for a boy, clearly some of this is tipping of the molars. Ancient man had an inter-molar width in the high 40's to low 50's."



    This lack of expansion of the face is why a lot of people don't have good facial development, which in turn leads to modern people being less attractive than past peoples. Then you add on to this dental extractions and you make faces looks much worse with recession in the upper and lower jaws. Which is why so many people have that melted chin/face look. It's due to bad diets, and bad dental practices making things worse. (Though in rare cases it's genetics for most people it's not).

    Proper nutrition of the mother while pregnant and breast feeding is very important.

    Adequate breastfeeding is also important.
    And good NUTRITIOUS healthy diets where the jaw and muscles actually get worked are important.

    The most important time for development is in the womb and early years and then early childhood. Modern diets (soft processed foods + SUGAR) is very bad.

    For reference my IMW is 35mm which is considered to be average nowadays (but historically high 40s-low 50s was NORMAL) but this is actually low compared to the past.

    Also note that your tooth size will effect IMW, smaller teeth will have a larger IMW on average.

    He just got that from Dr. Weston Price ...

    https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/nutrition-greats/weston-a-price-dds/

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    Re: facial structure and intermolar width (diets/nutrition)
    « Reply #19 on: April 08, 2025, 09:09:11 PM »
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  • For reference my IMW is 35mm which is considered to be average nowadays (but historically high 40s-low 50s was NORMAL) but this is actually low compared to the past.
    A quick google search gave me this

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    The average intermolar width, the distance between the buccal surfaces of the first molars, is around 42.5 to 43.5 mm in adults, with slight variations between genders and skeletal classes. 



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    Re: facial structure and intermolar width (diets/nutrition)
    « Reply #20 on: April 08, 2025, 09:10:04 PM »
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  • He just got that from Dr. Weston Price ...

    https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/nutrition-greats/weston-a-price-dds/
    Lad you have children, how are their diets and teeth? Just trying to get some anecdotes.

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    Re: facial structure and intermolar width (diets/nutrition)
    « Reply #21 on: April 08, 2025, 09:59:47 PM »
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  • Proper nutrition of the mother while pregnant and breast feeding is very important.

    Adequate breastfeeding is also important.
    And good NUTRITIOUS healthy diets where the jaw and muscles actually get worked are important.

    The most important time for development is in the womb and early years and then early childhood. Modern diets (soft processed foods + SUGAR) is very bad.

    Those are the main things, but there are things you can't really do anything about.

    Eg.
    Modern Test levels are much lower in the modern world
    Estrogen and hormone 'stuff' in the water
    Grain fed animals (even grass fed labels can be a lie)
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    In Australia, while "grass-fed" beef is a common label, there's no official certification or legal requirement to ensure cattle are truly grass-fed, meaning producers can still feed grain for up to 89 days and still label it as "grass-fed". 

    Hormone injections to make animals grow larger (and they still charge you more)
    Less nutrients in the soil

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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #22 on: April 08, 2025, 10:16:36 PM »
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  • I thought the difference was largely a product of age. My understanding is that palate expanders can be used in children, but not adults. Several of our children have had expanders; none have had extractions.


    I found this video recently, a 70yr man had success with a homeoblock.


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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #23 on: April 08, 2025, 11:17:19 PM »
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  • Drink raw milk.


    While banned in a lot of places (including Australia) there is a loophole - it is sold as “bath milk”
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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #24 on: April 09, 2025, 01:08:20 PM »
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  • Even worse are root canals.
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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #25 on: April 09, 2025, 01:21:30 PM »
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  • Even worse are root canals.
    I had a root canal done about 5 or 6 years ago, I was dreading it having had one many years prior. To my surprise, it was really no big deal, in fact I'd say it was no worse than getting a filling outside of the extra time in the chair. Pleasantly surprised the whole time. Maybe the technology to perform them has changed? I don't know not being anything remotely close to a dental expert.


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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #26 on: April 09, 2025, 10:35:31 PM »
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  • I had one of my wisdom teeth removed in my early teens. I also had a permanent tooth stain from a high fever as child that I eventually had covered through bonding. I had braces in my teen years as well. Some of the issues are genetic. Good oral hygiene helps prevent some of them. 

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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #27 on: April 10, 2025, 12:14:48 AM »
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  • I had one of my wisdom teeth removed in my early teens. I also had a permanent tooth stain from a high fever as child that I eventually had covered through bonding. I had braces in my teen years as well. Some of the issues are genetic. Good oral hygiene helps prevent some of them.
    Wisdom teeth dont tend to impact the face when removed, but molars removed do, especially when young. Some people are affected more then others as per their genetics and diets when young.

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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #28 on: April 21, 2025, 07:29:08 AM »
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  • During Lent, I had a wisdom tooth extracted. It was causing infection and forcing other teeth into painful positions.

    The dentist is a holistic one; the procedure was, believe it or not, painless. (Results may vary, of course.) They prescribed an antibiotic and recommended OTC pain relievers.  

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    They use a process called PRF platelet therapy, using platelets from the patient's blood to heal the extraction site.

    Feels so good to have that bad boy out of my mouth.
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    Re: Orthodontists and Teeth Extractions are like Doctors and vaccines
    « Reply #29 on: April 21, 2025, 09:12:23 AM »
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  • During Lent, I had a wisdom tooth extracted. It was causing infection and forcing other teeth into painful positions.

    The dentist is a holistic one; the procedure was, believe it or not, painless. (Results may vary, of course.) They prescribed an antibiotic and recommended OTC pain relievers. 

    Biological Oral Surgery in New Jersey | Dental Surgery in NJ

    They use a process called PRF platelet therapy, using platelets from the patient's blood to heal the extraction site.

    Feels so good to have that bad boy out of my mouth.
    I don’t know if this is a good question or not, but was your wisdom tooth impacted? I always thought, and may have always been wrong, that an impacted wisdom tooth is more painful to remove , Glad the process went well for you