Here is a comment which followed an article saying "Those who don't vaccinate should be sued."

i am a physician with undergraduate, graduate and post graduate training in biology, microbiology, immunology, neuroimmunology, physiology, pathophysiology, biochemistry etc, and grad and post grad training in pediatric holistic health. i have been trained by board certified pediatric MD's and PhD's in immunology. i have not and will never vaccinate my son. maybe not even of we go to developing nations with known diseases because by then his immune system will actually know how to work properly. look up TH2 immune system dominance and vaccines and see what a mess we are making in this country. i also did not expose my child to any vaccinated children until he was 6 months old because i didn't want him getting exposed to live incubating frankenstein viruses other children have been vaccinated for. almost every case of whooping cough i have seen in 11 years of holistic pediatric care has been in a child who was vaccinated. i also keep him away from other children when he has any slight sign of illness when the other parents are worried about it. with the decision not to vaccinate comes a certain amount of responsibility as well but don't tell me i am endangering others when i have made and educated and informed decision.

Matthew,
Can you give us the origin of this article?  Did the man identify himself?  

It made sense until I read the part about vaccinated children getting whooping cough since I know 2 families that got whooping cough and they were not vaccinated.  They were very sick and the horrible cough lasted months so that they couldn't attend Mass without disturbing the whole congregation. The oldest children in these families were teenagers at the time.

Matthew,
Can you give us the origin of this article?  Did the man identify himself?  

It made sense until I read the part about vaccinated children getting whooping cough since I know 2 families that got whooping cough and they were not vaccinated.  They were very sick and the horrible cough lasted months so that they couldn't attend Mass without disturbing the whole congregation. The oldest children in these families were teenagers at the time.

There's nothing contradictory or illogical about it, as you imply.

He didn't say that unvaccinated children won't get whooping cough -- and it CERTAINLY can happen sometimes, even if it was rare.

He was emphasizing (perhaps too much) that those who think they are safe because of vaccination are actually NOT any safer.

Matthew

It made sense until I read the part about vaccinated children getting whooping cough since I know 2 families that got whooping cough and they were not vaccinated. They were very sick and the horrible cough lasted months so that they couldn't attend Mass without disturbing the whole congregation. The oldest children in these families were teenagers at the time.

As far as the occurrence of pertussis, the vaccine is not even touted as 100% effective, it's more in the 50% (at very conservative estimates) to 95% range, according to studies.  Therefore, if we assume that the majority of children *are* vaccinated, if 5% plus of those children are getting pertussis it seems perfectly reasonable that a given doctor would see only patients who had been vaccinated and contracted the disease.

Also, for reference, here's the original thread - the author's name is nicole-3116265.  

Some of our children have been vaccinated, others have not.  Our last pediatrician very much respected our decision not to vaccinate.  In fact, he acknowledge that if our children weren't in day care then vaccinations were probably unnecessary.  He has since left the area and I have had to get a new physician that our insurance will pay for.  When Merryn went for her 2 month visit, the Dr. rolled off the vaccines she was supposed to get.  I simply said "No Thanks.  We aren't vaccinating."  She rolled her eyes slightly and asked me why.  Of course she gave the whole lecture but eventually she respected our decision.  She did make a note of it on our chart.  

I wonder if that's even legal, refusing health-care to a child, when you, the parent, are able to at least pay for it.

How is the greed of 'Big Pharma' in any way distinct from giant multinational corporate greed in general?

Good question.

Just because a few parents will abuse their right doesn't change the fact that it's their right.

So a few parents won't do such a great job as parents. Perhaps they're ignorant, or neglect their children.

So there's a bit of suffering in the world.  Guess what? This isn't heaven.

Every time man tries to eliminate all pain and suffering, to create a heaven on earth, a veritable hell is created instead.

Monsanto probably claims they're trying to eliminate hunger.
Big Pharma wants to eliminate discomfort and suffering from diseases.
The Government wants to eliminate want and poverty.

You see, they are all going to end up making things WORSE in the long run.

Sorry, but Original Sin is the source of all suffering. There is only one way to reverse Original Sin -- to follow Christ perfectly on the Way of the Cross, receiving grace from Him, pursuing the path of sanctity. Christ gives us Baptism which destroys the mark of Original Sin, and the means by which we can counter its permanent effects in our souls.

When man tries to "save mankind" another way -- it is doomed to failure.


Matthew