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Traditional Catholic Faith => Health and Nutrition => Topic started by: gladius_veritatis on August 31, 2021, 07:54:48 PM
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-the-virus-exist-has-sars-cov-2-been-isolated-interview-with-christine-massey/5753322
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Anyone still believe in Cooties-19?
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Sortof. I don't believe that the original virus existed, but I do believe that there's something that they're spreading through the jab.
I was sick with this thing for 3 weeks, and it was entirely unlike any illness I had experienced before (I have detailed it before here).
But I knew of no one who became ill of COVID pre-jab. But about a month after the jab campaign started is when I became ill. Since the jab campaign, I've known of and heard of several people who have become seriously ill. I believe that it's from whatever the jab has been shedding. We've had the cases of Fr. Bourmaud and Fr. Chazal, and several other forum members here have become seriously ill. But all of this happened after the jab.
Also, the Salk Institute had a version of the virus from which they evacuated the viral material and determined that the spike proteins were the damage mechanism. These spike proteins have in fact been found, but I believe that the viral payload is incidental to it ... as Salk proved. Now the super-shedders are spreading these spike proteins around when the original virus itself probably didn't have the ability to make anyone sick.
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I'm pretty sure I had it about two weeks ago. It was like a terrible head cold and I lost taste and smell for a day. I'm still hacking up phlegm. So, there's something that is causing people to get sick, but, there's also the admissions of health authorities that they haven't actually isolated the thing. I've heard some postulate that it's not viral, but parasitic, given that ivermectin (which is utilized for parasites) is very effective.
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Sortof. I don't believe that the original virus existed, but I do believe that there's something that they're spreading through the jab.
I was sick with this thing for 3 weeks, and it was entirely unlike any illness I had experienced before (I have detailed it before here).
But I knew of no one who became ill of COVID pre-jab. But about a month after the jab campaign started is when I became ill. Since the jab campaign, I've known of and heard of several people who have become seriously ill. I believe that it's from whatever the jab has been shedding. We've had the cases of Fr. Bourmaud and Fr. Chazal, and several other forum members here have become seriously ill. But all of this happened after the jab.
Also, the Salk Institute had a version of the virus from which they evacuated the viral material and determined that the spike proteins were the damage mechanism. These spike proteins have in fact been found, but I believe that the viral payload is incidental to it ... as Salk proved. Now the super-shedders are spreading these spike proteins around when the original virus itself probably didn't have the ability to make anyone sick.
My whole family had COVID19 early November/2020.
I believe the jab didn’t come out until after that.
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Does anyone here know people who got seriously ill with COVID BEFORE the jab campaign started?
I recall that +Vigano stated that they would spread the thing (whatever it actually is) through the jab.
I don't know if people have see Part 1 of the Project Veritas expose regarding the jab campaign, but the nurse in the video mentioned that she came out because a colleague of hers died from the jab. That colleague had initially resisted it due to religious objections, but she succuмbed to the pressure, intimidation, threats of being fired, etc. ... and she ended up dead.
So the point here is that we are likely all being poisoned by the jab through shedding ... but the important thing is to stay true to our morals and refuse to take this thing, even if we can't avoid getting poisoned. Perhaps we should have blessed St. Benedict metals with us ... since it's supposed to protect us against poisoning.
Strangely, I have heard show after show on EWTN radio blasting the jab, calling it immoral and a Satanic sacramental to get us to participate in abortion (taking fetal cells into our bodies), and blasting both Bergoglio and the bishops for promoting the thing.
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Lies being spread:
“Breakthrough cases (https://apple.news/A11LBIRNSTyuEy24Hcj6CKQ) — COVID-19 infections that occur in people who have been fully vaccinated against the virus — are rare, but possible and expected, as the vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing infections. Still, vaccinated people who test positive will likely be asymptomatic or experience a far milder illness than if they were not vaccinated. The majority of deaths from COVID-19 — around 98 to 99% — are in unvaccinated people (https://apple.news/Ao-YvS04DRle4jXKNynW-cQ).”
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My whole family had COVID19 early November/2020.
I believe the jab didn’t come out until after that.
Yes, the pfιzєr jab was made available (to limited groups) beginning on December 11 2020. What were your symptoms, and what made you believe it was COVID rather than some other type of illness?
We keep hearing about "non-isolation" but the Salk Institute evidently had the virus with spike proteins, and then evacuated the viral material, finding that the damage was due to the spike proteins. So it could be that the virus itself is irrelevant, that this was just a carrier for spike proteins ... which of course the jab is designed to produce in the body (and shed them to others).
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The bottom line they openly planned this sickness and even have a patent on it. We dont have world leaders. We have world murderers. Genocide.
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Does anyone here know people who got seriously ill with COVID BEFORE the jab campaign started?
I recall that +Vigano stated that they would spread the thing (whatever it actually is) through the jab.
I don't know if people have see Part 1 of the Project Veritas expose regarding the jab campaign, but the nurse in the video mentioned that she came out because a colleague of hers died from the jab. That colleague had initially resisted it due to religious objections, but she succuмbed to the pressure, intimidation, threats of being fired, etc. ... and she ended up dead.
So the point here is that we are likely all being poisoned by the jab through shedding ... but the important thing is to stay true to our morals and refuse to take this thing, even if we can't avoid getting poisoned. Perhaps we should have blessed St. Benedict metals with us ... since it's supposed to protect us against poisoning.
Strangely, I have heard show after show on EWTN radio blasting the jab, calling it immoral and a Satanic sacramental to get us to participate in abortion (taking fetal cells into our bodies), and blasting both Bergoglio and the bishops for promoting the thing.
1) If by “seriously ill” you mean hospitalized, then no.
2) The nurse story you reference is currently being featured for a second time on America One News (probably the most objective news site out there, though I noticed they’re also sympathetic to the queer’s).
3) If you acquired natural immunity through previous infection, you are safe -for awhile- from tge shedding. Not sure how long immunity lasts, but I heard some guy on the radio saying you lose 5% per month.
4) According to an article listed in the “Exemption Retribution” thread, all the most commonly prescribed and OTC drugs involve remote material cooperation in abortion, as they’ve all tested on HEL-293. Therefore, taking aspirin, ibuprofen, pepto bismal, etc. would also be satanic sacramentals.
What is not clear from the article is whether any of that testing was performed or sponsored by the drug companies (though the hospital in that thread certainly implies it has), or by independent scientists uninvolved with the pharmaceutical companies or manufacturing process.
If the latter, there is no problem, but if the former, there’s a major issue (because if one can only materially cooperate in abortion when necessity and proportionality are present, how could anyone ever justify taking an aspirin?).
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It seems like it spread in our area after people started testing. There is a testing center near mall. All summer, it was empty. Now there is a line of cars with idiots getting tested.
There are zombies alright. People getting jabbed is the zombie apocalypse.
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Beginning of November 2019 my wife and I had what was the worst flu we've ever experienced. I'm about 95% sure it was the cooties.
A coworker of mine was out for a few weeks with it just before the jabs the beginning of this year, as well as several of my staff.
I've actually not had anyone in my department (74 people) out with serious illness after the jab. I only had one woman go home after shot 2 due to headache and another because of arm pain, but that's it.
My parents both have a myriad of serious health issues and have the jab and are doing just fine. So, this is where I get skeptical about it being an immediate death sentence. But I do expect a steady increase of side effects over the next few years that will be dismissed as unrelated.
Edit: and another anecdotal "control group" I have are my sister and her husband, both jabbed, trying for a baby right now. So time will tell if they have complications (I hope they don't, for the baby's sake).
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More lies and distorted history to justify the jab for the common good:
https://tinyurl.com/39bbp292
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We also know that there are placebo jabs because you can’t have too many people drop dead at once.
Over the years people have died from pneumonia from their regular flu jab and pneumonia jabs, other needless jabs. To this day many people who died would go unnoticed until they created the pandemic for agenda 2021. Everything done in phases.
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We also know that there are placebo jabs because you can’t have too many people drop dead at once.
Someone claims to have found things in the Pfizer literature indicating that it's exactly what's going on, that not only do they have placebo jabs, but also have different amounts of the "active ingredients" in different lots of jabs. Some aren't harmed (placebo), others are killed immediately (full strength), others debilitated (medium strength), and others still have mild symptoms (low strength). This makes sense because it would keep people guessing about the harm from the jab. You get this all the time from the jabbed: "See, I took the jab, and I'm just fine. No issues."
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Someone claims to have found things in the pfιzєr literature indicating that it's exactly what's going on, that not only do they have placebo jabs, but also have different amounts of the "active ingredients" in different lots of jabs. Some aren't harmed (placebo), others are killed immediately (full strength), others debilitated (medium strength), and others still have mild symptoms (low strength). This makes sense because it would keep people guessing about the harm from the jab. You get this all the time from the jabbed: "See, I took the jab, and I'm just fine. No issues."
DIABOLICALLY clever, as it were. It's as if the infernal powers of darkness are involved in this last battle, to enslave the human race under godless (communist) tyranny.
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4) According to an article listed in the “Exemption Retribution” thread, all the most commonly prescribed and OTC drugs involve remote material cooperation in abortion, as they’ve all tested on HEL-293. Therefore, taking aspirin, ibuprofen, pepto bismal, etc. would also be satanic sacramentals.
Re: "Therefore, taking aspirin, ibuprofen, pepto bismal, etc. would also be satanic sacramentals". That is a wrong conclusion, read below:
https://cogforlife.org/2021/05/12/lets-get-a-few-things-cleared-up-testing-cell-lines-and-fetal-tissue/
Let’s Get A Few Things Cleared Up: Testing, Cell Lines and Fetal Tissue
by (https://cogforlife.org/2021/05/12/lets-get-a-few-things-cleared-up-testing-cell-lines-and-fetal-tissue/)Jose Trasancos (https://cogforlife.org/author/josetrasancos/) | May 12, 2021 |
Fr. Matthew Schneider wrote an article in January of this year that generated much attention and discussion. In part, the article calls the reader’s attention to the ubiquity of aborted fetal cell lines in the testing of medications. The third paragraph of the article states:
“Below I will list out a sample of drugs tested on HEK-293 like mσdernα and pfιzєr vaccines, point out errors in their reasoning, point to two ethical things we should do as Catholics, and conclude with a point on over-thinking remote cooperation in evil.”
The errors in reasoning refers to those that argue against vaccines like those from mσdernα and pfιzєr since the vaccines and those like them offer benefit from abortion, and acceptance amounts to approval of abortion at some level. Fr. Schneider points out that such a standard should not be uniquely applied to vaccines, rather the standard should be applied to all medications. He points out inconsistency since there is no outcry, no application of the standard to other medications.
I would be in complete agreement with Fr. Schneider but for a couple of pesky, very important facts.
Let’s address the easy one first. It has not been common knowledge that aborted fetal cell lines are liberally and frequently used in pharmaceuticals, over-the-counter medications, artificial sweeteners and flavorings, and even some cosmetics. There are many reasons for this public ignorance but this is a topic for another day. Suffice to say that ignorance is a defense in this case. We did not know. I did not know. One cannot be inconsistent if one is not in possession of all relevant facts, especially if the facts are not easily discoverable. We know now, though.
Fr. Schneider himself did not possess the information that built his now-famous list of common medicines that have been tested in HEK-293 cell lines. He asked a medical doctor, Dr. Lisa Gilbert, to provide him with that list.
Now, let’s address the second fact. Fr. Schneider asserts that the medications on his list were tested in HEK-293 cell lines like the mσdernα and pfιzєr vaccines (emphasis added). Unfortunately, this assertion falls apart when one digs a little deeper beyond the results of a Google search.
The use of aborted fetal cell lines in the research and development processes of the COVID-19 vaccines are amply docuмented on this website, so I will not unpack that whole suitcase here. Aborted fetal cell lines were used in the foundational research (synthesis of the SARS CoV-2 spike proteins), the vaccine development process and validation assessment prior to initiating clinical trials. It is correct to say that these vaccines would not exist but for the use of aborted fetal cell lines.
Fr. Schneider’s article equates the use of aborted fetal cell lines in vaccine development to the ‘testing’ applied to his list of often-prescribed and common OTC medications. They are not – I repeat – they are not the same thing. Fr. Schneider’s reference to aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) as one of the OTC drugs ‘tested’ in aborted fetal cell lines is the best example to demonstrate the problem with his argument. Acetylsalicylic acid was first produced by French chemist Charles Frédéric Gerhardt in 1853 and the U.S. patent for aspirin was awarded to Bayer in the year 1900. Of course, aborted fetal cell lines were in the distant future, rendering their use in the development of aspirin an impossibility.
Fr. Schneider is referring to the subsequent use of aspirin (already developed, free of any association with abortion) and aborted fetal cell lines in some other experimental application, docuмented and published many years after aspirin hit the shelves. That does not retrospectively taint the development of aspirin as immoral. Is Henry Ford responsible for drunken driving or John Moses Browning responsible for armed robberies? Of course not. An immoral or irresponsible act subsequent to, and completely unrelated to, the creation of an object used in the commission of the act does not make the creator of that object an accessory or complicit in any way. I researched fourteen of the drugs on his list and found that thirteen of them fall into the same category as aspirin.
Tums, another example from his list, would be laughable if the backdrop were not so serious. Tums is a well-known antacid preparation, nothing more than calcium carbonate and sugar. It reacts with stomach acid to relieve indigestion. The effects of calcium carbonate have been known for ages and the industrial sources of this compound are sea shells, egg shells, limestone and chalk, to name a few. It is also present in broccoli and other green vegetables. It is literally everywhere. Decades ago, the Lewis-Howe Company decided to purify calcium carbonate, mix it with sugar, press it into tablets and sell it as an antacid. They wouldn’t have ‘tested’ (they didn’t) in aborted fetal cell lines for a number of reasons, the most important reasons being 1. The nature of Tums’ therapeutic effect – the neutralization of digestive acids in the upper GI. It does what it does without entering human cells – it reacts with acids in the stomach, producing water and carbon dioxide in the process, and, 2. Testing in aborted fetal cell lines would have been an impossibility since Tums was first produced in 1930. Just like aspirin, it’s quite a bit older than aborted fetal cell lines.
Moral equivalence and factual errors aside, the article kicks over a basic but very important point. The debate is unreasonably, irrationally focused on the PRODUCT – this drug is bad, that vaccine is immoral and so on. The problem is the PRACTICE. Aspirin was not morally soiled by the French chemist who first produced acetylsalicylic acid. The immoral ACT (practice) that involved the PRODUCT came later, over a century later. Getting mad at aspirin won’t change the practice.
Fr. Schneider does raise some points on which we should all reflect. He mentions that an almost exclusive focus on avoiding evil, extending to all degrees of remote cooperation, frustrates our ability (obligation, really) to do good. “Doing good, not avoiding evil, is the height of Christian morality”, are his words in summary of this point and I could not agree more! Imagine the progress we might make if we focus the intensity and energy associated with avoiding vaccines and other drugs with varying degrees of moral compromise on effecting behavioral, legislative and regulatory change. Changing hearts and minds. Ultimately, that is what all people of goodwill seek and we should check our individual and collective inclinations to better serve this most worthwhile end. I think he is absolutely right.
While we’re at it, let’s address a few other technicalities. Much has been discussed and written on how and why the mσdernα and pfιzєr vaccines are different, even to the extent that some consider one less evil (or more moral) than the other. What is true is that there is no practical difference between the two. I consider it a waste of time and energy perpetuating that argument, so let’s put the measuring tape away once and for all.
And let’s stop talking about aborted fetal cells in the product. Cell lines are used as expression and growth media or a test medium to measure cytotoxicity – there are no aborted fetal cells in any of the vaccines, the stuff that goes into the patient’s arm, even the vaccines that are grown in the cell lines. The vaccines that are actually grown in the cell lines do contain ‘residual components’ of the cells, but this is what little remains after the purification process which destroys the cells as the active ingredient of the vaccine is harvested. There are acceptability thresholds established by the FDA for these ‘residual components’ (cellular debris), not unlike the thresholds established for insect parts and rodent hairs in wheat flour, but there are no complete fetal cells in the vaccines.
Lastly, I’d like to draw from Fr. Schneider’s exhortation to do good and the fact that we are much more aware of the current state of affairs. The desire to know everything is understandable but, in the end, not useful. Our mission is to end the use of aborted fetal tissue in scientific research. We know enough to get to work on that. Aborted fetal cell lines came from aborted fetal tissue. I see no material difference between them from a moral perspective. The current administration has greenlighted federal funding for aborted fetal tissue research. What is going on outside of the vaccine bubble is frightening, truly monstrous, and it promises to get worse. Much worse unless we get our collective act together and focus great intensity and determination on effecting change. It is the PRACTICE, not the PRODUCT, that needs to change. Let’s get after it.
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My whole family had COVID19 early November/2020.
I believe the jab didn’t come out until after that.
With all due respect, how are you certain?
Even if you got the PCR test, we all know what a joke that is. Are you certain it wasn't pneumonia, the flu, bronchitis, or dozens of other illnesses?
Did you personally look at a blood sample with a microscope and see one of those artist renditions of COVID that they post up at every supermarket and place of business? ;)
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With all due respect, how are you certain?
Even if you got the PCR test, we all know what a joke that is. Are you certain it wasn't pneumonia, the flu, bronchitis, or dozens of other illnesses?
Did you personally look at a blood sample with a microscope and see one of those artist renditions of COVID that they post up at every supermarket and place of business? ;)
None of us got tested, but I haven't lost the gift of common sense.
We all lost our sense of smell, in addition to having the other well-known symptoms.
You don't lose your sense of smell from the flu.
Whatever COVID19 is, we had it.
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Re: "Therefore, taking aspirin, ibuprofen, pepto bismal, etc. would also be satanic sacramentals". That is a wrong conclusion, read below:
https://cogforlife.org/2021/05/12/lets-get-a-few-things-cleared-up-testing-cell-lines-and-fetal-tissue/
Let’s Get A Few Things Cleared Up: Testing, Cell Lines and Fetal Tissue
by (https://cogforlife.org/2021/05/12/lets-get-a-few-things-cleared-up-testing-cell-lines-and-fetal-tissue/)Jose Trasancos (https://cogforlife.org/author/josetrasancos/) | May 12, 2021 |
Fr. Matthew Schneider wrote an article in January of this year that generated much attention and discussion. In part, the article calls the reader’s attention to the ubiquity of aborted fetal cell lines in the testing of medications. The third paragraph of the article states:
“Below I will list out a sample of drugs tested on HEK-293 like mσdernα and pfιzєr vaccines, point out errors in their reasoning, point to two ethical things we should do as Catholics, and conclude with a point on over-thinking remote cooperation in evil.”
The errors in reasoning refers to those that argue against vaccines like those from mσdernα and pfιzєr since the vaccines and those like them offer benefit from abortion, and acceptance amounts to approval of abortion at some level. Fr. Schneider points out that such a standard should not be uniquely applied to vaccines, rather the standard should be applied to all medications. He points out inconsistency since there is no outcry, no application of the standard to other medications.
I would be in complete agreement with Fr. Schneider but for a couple of pesky, very important facts.
Let’s address the easy one first. It has not been common knowledge that aborted fetal cell lines are liberally and frequently used in pharmaceuticals, over-the-counter medications, artificial sweeteners and flavorings, and even some cosmetics. There are many reasons for this public ignorance but this is a topic for another day. Suffice to say that ignorance is a defense in this case. We did not know. I did not know. One cannot be inconsistent if one is not in possession of all relevant facts, especially if the facts are not easily discoverable. We know now, though.
Fr. Schneider himself did not possess the information that built his now-famous list of common medicines that have been tested in HEK-293 cell lines. He asked a medical doctor, Dr. Lisa Gilbert, to provide him with that list.
Now, let’s address the second fact. Fr. Schneider asserts that the medications on his list were tested in HEK-293 cell lines like the mσdernα and pfιzєr vaccines (emphasis added). Unfortunately, this assertion falls apart when one digs a little deeper beyond the results of a Google search.
The use of aborted fetal cell lines in the research and development processes of the COVID-19 vaccines are amply docuмented on this website, so I will not unpack that whole suitcase here. Aborted fetal cell lines were used in the foundational research (synthesis of the SARS CoV-2 spike proteins), the vaccine development process and validation assessment prior to initiating clinical trials. It is correct to say that these vaccines would not exist but for the use of aborted fetal cell lines.
Fr. Schneider’s article equates the use of aborted fetal cell lines in vaccine development to the ‘testing’ applied to his list of often-prescribed and common OTC medications. They are not – I repeat – they are not the same thing. Fr. Schneider’s reference to aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) as one of the OTC drugs ‘tested’ in aborted fetal cell lines is the best example to demonstrate the problem with his argument. Acetylsalicylic acid was first produced by French chemist Charles Frédéric Gerhardt in 1853 and the U.S. patent for aspirin was awarded to Bayer in the year 1900. Of course, aborted fetal cell lines were in the distant future, rendering their use in the development of aspirin an impossibility.
Fr. Schneider is referring to the subsequent use of aspirin (already developed, free of any association with abortion) and aborted fetal cell lines in some other experimental application, docuмented and published many years after aspirin hit the shelves. That does not retrospectively taint the development of aspirin as immoral. Is Henry Ford responsible for drunken driving or John Moses Browning responsible for armed robberies? Of course not. An immoral or irresponsible act subsequent to, and completely unrelated to, the creation of an object used in the commission of the act does not make the creator of that object an accessory or complicit in any way. I researched fourteen of the drugs on his list and found that thirteen of them fall into the same category as aspirin.
Tums, another example from his list, would be laughable if the backdrop were not so serious. Tums is a well-known antacid preparation, nothing more than calcium carbonate and sugar. It reacts with stomach acid to relieve indigestion. The effects of calcium carbonate have been known for ages and the industrial sources of this compound are sea shells, egg shells, limestone and chalk, to name a few. It is also present in broccoli and other green vegetables. It is literally everywhere. Decades ago, the Lewis-Howe Company decided to purify calcium carbonate, mix it with sugar, press it into tablets and sell it as an antacid. They wouldn’t have ‘tested’ (they didn’t) in aborted fetal cell lines for a number of reasons, the most important reasons being 1. The nature of Tums’ therapeutic effect – the neutralization of digestive acids in the upper GI. It does what it does without entering human cells – it reacts with acids in the stomach, producing water and carbon dioxide in the process, and, 2. Testing in aborted fetal cell lines would have been an impossibility since Tums was first produced in 1930. Just like aspirin, it’s quite a bit older than aborted fetal cell lines.
Moral equivalence and factual errors aside, the article kicks over a basic but very important point. The debate is unreasonably, irrationally focused on the PRODUCT – this drug is bad, that vaccine is immoral and so on. The problem is the PRACTICE. Aspirin was not morally soiled by the French chemist who first produced acetylsalicylic acid. The immoral ACT (practice) that involved the PRODUCT came later, over a century later. Getting mad at aspirin won’t change the practice.
Fr. Schneider does raise some points on which we should all reflect. He mentions that an almost exclusive focus on avoiding evil, extending to all degrees of remote cooperation, frustrates our ability (obligation, really) to do good. “Doing good, not avoiding evil, is the height of Christian morality”, are his words in summary of this point and I could not agree more! Imagine the progress we might make if we focus the intensity and energy associated with avoiding vaccines and other drugs with varying degrees of moral compromise on effecting behavioral, legislative and regulatory change. Changing hearts and minds. Ultimately, that is what all people of goodwill seek and we should check our individual and collective inclinations to better serve this most worthwhile end. I think he is absolutely right.
While we’re at it, let’s address a few other technicalities. Much has been discussed and written on how and why the mσdernα and pfιzєr vaccines are different, even to the extent that some consider one less evil (or more moral) than the other. What is true is that there is no practical difference between the two. I consider it a waste of time and energy perpetuating that argument, so let’s put the measuring tape away once and for all.
And let’s stop talking about aborted fetal cells in the product. Cell lines are used as expression and growth media or a test medium to measure cytotoxicity – there are no aborted fetal cells in any of the vaccines, the stuff that goes into the patient’s arm, even the vaccines that are grown in the cell lines. The vaccines that are actually grown in the cell lines do contain ‘residual components’ of the cells, but this is what little remains after the purification process which destroys the cells as the active ingredient of the vaccine is harvested. There are acceptability thresholds established by the FDA for these ‘residual components’ (cellular debris), not unlike the thresholds established for insect parts and rodent hairs in wheat flour, but there are no complete fetal cells in the vaccines.
Lastly, I’d like to draw from Fr. Schneider’s exhortation to do good and the fact that we are much more aware of the current state of affairs. The desire to know everything is understandable but, in the end, not useful. Our mission is to end the use of aborted fetal tissue in scientific research. We know enough to get to work on that. Aborted fetal cell lines came from aborted fetal tissue. I see no material difference between them from a moral perspective. The current administration has greenlighted federal funding for aborted fetal tissue research. What is going on outside of the vaccine bubble is frightening, truly monstrous, and it promises to get worse. Much worse unless we get our collective act together and focus great intensity and determination on effecting change. It is the PRACTICE, not the PRODUCT, that needs to change. Let’s get after it.
Could you please save me the time and just point me to the part where COG demonstrates none of the HEK-293 testing on these drugs is sponsored or performed by the drug companies?
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With all due respect, how are you certain?
Even if you got the PCR test, we all know what a joke that is. Are you certain it wasn't pneumonia, the flu, bronchitis, or dozens of other illnesses?
Did you personally look at a blood sample with a microscope and see one of those artist renditions of COVID that they post up at every supermarket and place of business? ;)
what you say is correct. I had a friend that got serious pneumonia in February 2020 and had to be hospitalized. His wife got pneumonia too, but not as bad. In April in son and daughter got what they said was Covid and were hospitalized. More plausible is that they all had pneumonia. That PCR test is a joke.
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Could you please save me the time and just point me to the part where COG demonstrates none of the HEK-293 testing on these drugs is sponsored or performed by the drug companies?
Here you go, lazybones
Fr. Schneider is referring to the subsequent use of aspirin (already developed, free of any association with abortion) and aborted fetal cell lines in some other experimental application, docuмented and published many years after aspirin hit the shelves. That does not retrospectively taint the development of aspirin as immoral. Is Henry Ford responsible for drunken driving or John Moses Browning responsible for armed robberies? Of course not. An immoral or irresponsible act subsequent to, and completely unrelated to, the creation of an object used in the commission of the act does not make the creator of that object an accessory or complicit in any way. I researched fourteen of the drugs on his list and found that thirteen of them fall into the same category as aspirin.
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Moral equivalence and factual errors aside, the article kicks over a basic but very important point. The debate is unreasonably, irrationally focused on the PRODUCT – this drug is bad, that vaccine is immoral and so on. The problem is the PRACTICE. Aspirin was not morally soiled by the French chemist who first produced acetylsalicylic acid. The immoral ACT (practice) that involved the PRODUCT came later, over a century later. Getting mad at aspirin won’t change the practice.
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what you say is correct. I had a friend that got serious pneumonia in February 2020 and had to be hospitalized. His wife got pneumonia too, but not as bad. In April in son and daughter got what they said was Covid and were hospitalized. More plausible is that they all had pneumonia. That PCR test is a joke.
I've said it many times, and I'll keep saying it: Trads are human beings too. Vulnerable to psychological tricks and techniques. Susceptible to propaganda just like everyone else.
People seem to have downplayed, in their memories, any serious effects from pretty much ANY OTHER respiratory or common communicable disease. Everything is "covid" now. It's insane. It's as though there was no suffering, no severe respiratory illness, no diarrhea, no vomiting, etc. before COVID.
People downplay those "old hat" diseases, while up-playing COVID.
It's difficult to ignore virtually the ENTIRE world around you. Especially if you watch mainstream TV (that includes online) and/or radio, newspaper, magazines -- any mainstream media.
Human memory is NOTORIOUSLY inaccurate and faulty. All psychologists know this. Famous experiments have been done to prove this. And yes -- that includes human beings who happen to attend a Tridentine Mass on Sunday. They, too, have human brains with extremely flawed and faulty (and easily manipulated) memories.
They say that every time you recall a memory, you slightly alter it (not consciously or maliciously, of course).
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People seem to have downplayed, in their memories, any serious effects from pretty much ANY OTHER respiratory or common communicable disease. Everything is "covid" now. It's insane. It's as though there was no suffering, no severe respiratory illness, no diarrhea, no vomiting, etc. before COVID.
Pretty much. My kids' pediatrician was adamant that I get tested for COVID because I was a little congested when I took them to their appointment recently.
It's never that people just are under the weather, now there's a superstition surrounding all common illness that necessitates having a swab jammed into your sinuses every time for some people.
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I don't think we should be dismissing 5G Cell Towers or the effects of that type of radiation as the cause of the symptoms either and it's effects it could have on the jabbed. I think the whole "shedding" thing might be a red herring to cover up the 5G radiation electronic poisoning that is likely going on. I think we're either being attacked by our cell phones (which could explain the push the last couple decades for everyone to get one) or the cell phone towers, or both to smaller or lesser degree. Soldiers were beamed in WW2 experiments in a similar fashion that effected their health and mood (Project Phoenix) and by now they are probably close to perfecting their craft.
What I think is entirely possible is that each poison jab has a certain tech in it that will activate at certain frequencies from the towers and they're in "light" mode now and weaker people are dying but I think they will be turned up this late fall and winter (or the following if "they" feel they need more time and don't want to rush it too much) and people will start seeing people drop dead in the street from blood clots and the like causing heart attacks and strokes. This is just my opinion but it's possible each jab consists of different frequencies, let's say 1-10. Some jabs have frequency 1 and others 2 and so on. They can then program the towers to attack only frequency 1, or 2, or a combination, etc. This could make it to where it looks random and isn't concentrated on one area and some will be ok and some won't until it's their frequencies turn.
Saying all that I don't deny that the jabs themselves also hurt people and the theory about 4 types of jabs with either no poison, some poison, more poison, and most poison also could exist and is also a plausible theory.
Germ Theory is also weak considering some of these studies done here. Terrain Theory seems much more plausible.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PAZL8bnPKp7i/
I guess all I'm trying to get across is that we shouldn't dismiss the possibility of 5G and/or electronic radiation poisoning. I won't get into too many details on the following but I think Convid could also be some of that junk they're spraying on people from the planes.
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I don't think we should be dismissing 5G Cell Towers or the effects of that type of radiation as the cause of the symptoms either and it's effects it could have on the jabbed. I think the whole "shedding" thing might be a red herring to cover up the 5G radiation electronic poisoning that is likely going on.
There's been some solid evidence regarding the shedding phenomenon. 5G has been around for a while and I didn't get sick until the jab super-shedders started to move about in society. pfιzєr's own docuмents indicate the probability of shedding, and there are many reports out there of women whose cycles have been effected after being near to people who had gotten the jab.
That's not say we're not also being poisoned by 5G, but I don't think that shedding can be dismissed either. It's probably not just one OR the other.
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I don't think we should be dismissing 5G Cell Towers or the effects of that type of radiation as the cause of the symptoms either and it's effects it could have on the jabbed. I think the whole "shedding" thing might be a red herring to cover up the 5G radiation electronic poisoning that is likely going on. I think we're either being attacked by our cell phones (which could explain the push the last couple decades for everyone to get one) or the cell phone towers, or both to smaller or lesser degree...
I guess all I'm trying to get across is that we shouldn't dismiss the possibility of 5G and/or electronic radiation poisoning.
Agreed. Electro-smog is a noteworthy, ubiquitous threat.
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/the-invisible-rainbow/msg726654/#msg726654
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There's been some solid evidence regarding the shedding phenomenon. 5G has been around for a while and I didn't get sick until the jab super-shedders started to move about in society. pfιzєr's own docuмents indicate the probability of shedding, and there are many reports out there of women whose cycles have been effected after being near to people who had gotten the jab.
That's not say we're not also being poisoned by 5G, but I don't think that shedding can be dismissed either. It's probably not just one OR the other.
Agreed.
Whatever the full truth is about COVID, you're not going to be able to summarize it in 10 words.
The plain and simple truth is rarely plain and never simple.
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In late August 2019 a traditional Catholic friend got extremely sick with some kind of lung infection. He was laid out for about 3 weeks but never hospitalized. He works at a
funeral nursing home so maybe he picked something up there. After the 3 weeks recovery, he went back to work and was coming to Mass again but he was not 100%. It took him another 3 months to get back to 100% good health. And no doctor could figure out why. He had x-rays and all manner of testing but they couldn't figure out why he was still not 100% months later. Then just before Christmas 2019, I started feeling a little off. Christmas Eve I got really sick. A week later I was coughing up blood so I called my doctor. He didn't even ask me to come in. He just prescribed antibiotics and 3 days later I was fully recovered with no long-term side effects. Usually when I come down with a cold or flu, I have lingering issues for a few weeks. But the antibiotics cleared everything up completely in 3 days. So that was weird. I know that bacterial infections in the lungs can be caused by a lot of things including virus. So maybe I had it? I don't know. A relative also reported that he got sicker than he ever got sick before in March 2020. So he thinks he had it. But none of us has ever been tested. So maybe not.
Now after the jab came out, almost everyone in my extended family has got it (unless they are registered Republicans, in which case they didn't get it). Everyone at my chapel has refused it. And almost no one has gotten sick. On the other hand, I know of one non-Catholic friend who got c19 bad and had to be hospitalized. But she is recovering now. She is a nurse in Massachusetts so it's almost a metaphysical certainty that she got the jab. Another friend of a friend got c19 so bad that she ended up in the ICU. But that was a couple of weeks ago and I haven't heard anything since so probably she is recovering too. Then my nephew got c19 in Miami at some college party and came back home and infected the whole family. But they are all fine. Only one of them was sick for more than a few days and they are now fully recovered. And the parents are both over 50. None of them were jabbed. They didn't even have to use any exotic treatments. They just took extra vitamins, (C, D3, Zinc, etc). You might be thinking, it's not c19. I know some of the people were testing positive but others just assumed it was c19. Well, I would give them the benefit of the doubt because I've never heard of so many people among friends and family that have gotten sick in the middle of the summer. But maybe you are right. I don't know. I'm not too worried about it either way. And as for the jab badness. I'm mostly against it because of the abortion connection and the fact that it is being forced on us and because it hasn't been tested properly, etc. I don't know of anyone who got sick from it. Yet. We'll see.
My take away from the controversy regarding the recent discovery (or rediscovery) of the fact that many pharmaceuticals are tainted with abortion connections is that the entire medical industry is corrupt. I know a guy who refuses to have anything at all to do with doctors, dentists and any other medical professionals including over-the-counter drugs. He relies solely on eating well. He is not a health nut. He doesn't take exotic vitamins and homeopathic treatments. He is in his fifties. That's pretty good considering he isn't taking advantage of medical technology. I've decided I'm going to try the same thing from now on. I have had medical procedures in the past including cancer treatment. Prior to c19 I was having to go back to the doctor every 6 months for monitoring. But the last appointment got canceled and I never bothered to reschedule. So maybe I won't last that much longer. But I'd rather die early than offend God. And even if some particular behavior doesn't offend God but I mistakenly think it does offend God, I think it will be pleasing to God that I made an effort to avoid offending Him. I would rather die early and go directly to Heaven than try to squeeze a few more hours/days/weeks/years out of life in this valley of tears and then end up spending time in purgatory for it. I'm not even considering the real possibility that spending even one hour more on this earth more than God desired could cost me my soul entirely.
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One problem with refusing medical industry entirely is that once I go unconscious, they (family, friends, etc) are going to immediately overrule my decision. Well, nowadays they really don't need you to be unconscious anymore. I remember in 2010 my father laid out on his bed almost delirious with about half a dozen firemen and cops in his bedroom all pleading with him to let them take him to the emergency room. He refused for at least 15 minutes but they finally wore him down. That eventually led to 2 unbelievably miserable years in and out of nursing homes until he died. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if he held out against them. Maybe he would have died a day or two later and saved himself a ton of misery. But maybe that was his purgatory time? I don't know. If that happened today, I don't think they would have sought his permission. I think they would have just carted him off to a covid detention center whether he wanted to go or not.
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I can't read very well or I would take a look at this, but maybe somebody here would like to. Celeste Solum has been right on so many things that sounded really bizarre to me.
She calls it a particle rather than a virus.
https://shepherdsheart.life/pages/pathos-of-our-deadly-delusion?_pos=4&_sid=74bbff2bf&_ss=r
◦ The Original Homeland Security 88 page Government Docuмent
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We should also not dismiss prior vaccine "priming" for the 2020 COVID debut especially in nursing homes.
As I've said before, nursing home patients were experiencing "clot shot" type of symptoms ( clots, stroke, heart attacks) back in Feb/March of 2020, way before the general population, (who at the time had only flu like respiratory symptoms along with loss of taste and smell that they also called COVID). I was a witness to the clotting and it was practically universal in "COVID" nursing home patients . Their blood clotted in lab needles. Never saw that before.
Nursing home patients almost universally get the flu vaccine.
I think they "spiked" ( no pun intended) the 2019/20 flu vaxx with spike protein to start the pandemic, deaths and panic. People thought it was the same disease because the nursing home patients were completely isolated, and to be honest, the nursing home staff(s) weren't making any distinctions.
The general population only started experiencing the clot, stroke and neurological issues after the vaxx starting in Jan 2021, which makes me think that the nursing home received spike protein in their 2019/2020 flu vax. Same symptoms.
I would love to do a study on COVID deaths from Feb 2020 to Dec 2020 to see how many that died had taken the flu shot for the prior season.
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We should also not dismiss prior vaccine "priming" for the 2020 COVID debut especially in nursing homes.
As I've said before, nursing home patients were experiencing "clot shot" type of symptoms ( clots, stroke, heart attacks) back in Feb/March of 2020, way before the general population, (who at the time had only flu like respiratory symptoms along with loss of taste and smell that they also called COVID). I was a witness to the clotting and it was practically universal in "COVID" nursing home patients . Their blood clotted in lab needles. Never saw that before.
Nursing home patients almost universally get the flu vaccine.
I think they "spiked" ( no pun intended) the 2019/20 flu vaxx with spike protein to start the pandemic, deaths and panic. People thought it was the same disease because the nursing home patients were completely isolated, and to be honest, the nursing home staff(s) weren't making any distinctions.
The general population only started experiencing the clot, stroke and neurological issues after the vaxx starting in Jan 2021, which makes me think that the nursing home received spike protein in their 2019/2020 flu vax. Same symptoms.
I would love to do a study on COVID deaths from Feb 2020 to Dec 2020 to see how many that died had taken the flu shot for the prior season.
Also, from what I understand, graphene is in the flu shots and the elderly patients in northern Italy who died at the very beginning all received flu shots.
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-the-virus-exist-has-sars-cov-2-been-isolated-interview-with-christine-massey/5753322
How bout a little backdrop or explanation?
Can't stand this just posting a link nonsense.
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How bout a little backdrop or explanation?
Can't stand this just posting a link nonsense.
Your laziness is not my problem.
Oh, the unspeakable effort to click on the link! :fryingpan:
Do you also complain that the toilet paper is within reach when on the toilet, crying that no one will do the work of wiping your ass for you?
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Agreed. Electro-smog is a noteworthy, ubiquitous threat.
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/the-invisible-rainbow/msg726654/#msg726654
Thanks. Looks interesting.
There's been some solid evidence regarding the shedding phenomenon. 5G has been around for a while and I didn't get sick until the jab super-shedders started to move about in society. pfιzєr's own docuмents indicate the probability of shedding, and there are many reports out there of women whose cycles have been effected after being near to people who had gotten the jab.
That's not say we're not also being poisoned by 5G, but I don't think that shedding can be dismissed either. It's probably not just one OR the other.
Yeah I'm not completely dismissing that either, I just think we all need to be careful not to latch "all-in" on any one theory because we know there are a lot of controlled ops out there and "they" like to play both sides and stir the pot and get people on wild goose chases while the magicians hand is doing the real trick. I'm naturally just always hesitant when "truthers" push something too hard because I know that's probably NOT what's really going on but I'm willing to admit if I'm wrong. I could be wrong on some of these though. These are my guesses on what this thing is....
1. 5G and/or some other electronic poisoning from either towers or cell phones independent of vaxxed.
2. Same as #1 but being dependent of vaxxed in that those who got shot became a "hot spot" of sorts and a certain electronic field is making others sick and causing miscarriages etc. Think that tech is injected that creates a triangulation point with nearby towers and makes the vaxxed "hot" and thus hurts those around them.
3. Chemtrails dropping "extra goodies" than what was dropped in prior years.
4. Some sort of biological shedding mechanism.
It could very well be more than one (most likely imo) or even none of these (least likely imo.)