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Offline SeanJohnson

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Morality of CBD Oil?
« on: May 05, 2021, 09:02:00 PM »
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    • I’m hearing/reading about the supposed benefits of CBD oil, and it has peaked my curiosity as a prepper pain killer, and also possibly as medication for my autistic son in a grid-down scenario.

    It’s difficult for me to break the psychological association CBD oil has with marijuana “culture,” but I understand that CBD oil (at least certain types?) contain no THC, which is the active ingredient in pot that gets you high (Apparently, CBD oil comes from hemp, the male plant? Which is not what druggies smoke).

    Anyway, supposing there were no euphoric effect, is there any moral reason why one should not try it?

    The thought that came to mind was that it still comes from pot (even if not the kind that gets you high), and might in some way promote pot grower companies, who probably also grow the pot that does get you high?

    Has anyone looked into this?
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 09:49:17 PM »
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    • Plants are just plants. Smoking pot is only sinful because it's willfully sacrificing the use of reason.

    Where the money goes is a different matter, but I think you could just check if the company you're buying off of sells marijuana itself. You can't really be accountable for tertiary effects if you fund a comlany who funds a company who ... grows marijuana. We're always indirectly funding something awful in this era.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 09:53:32 PM »
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    • I see no issues with this whatsoever.  Even the use of THC is not intrinsically evil and could have legitimate medical use.  That sounds like buying grapes and then being concerned about the vineyard also selling wine so people can get drunk.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 10:07:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 05, 2021, 09:53:32 PM
    I see no issues with this whatsoever.  Even the use of THC is not intrinsically evil and could have legitimate medical use.  That sounds like buying grapes and then being concerned about the vineyard also selling wine so people can get drunk.
    Mega-dittos to this.  My uncle took Marinol (synthetic THC) to counter nausea from his cancer medications.  I got some CBD topical cream for my father's knee (crushed in an accident a few years ago) but it did nothing to alleviate the pain.  I have chronic stomach pain anymore, and I might try some CBD myself.  Couldn't hurt and might help.

    THC and medical marijuana use, where it is truly needed and not just a subterfuge to obtain a "soft drug" for recreational purposes, is totally unproblematical morally.  That said, while not condoning it in any way whatsoever and providing no encouragement whatsoever, I told my son I would rather hear of him smoking a joint, than committing a mortal sin of impurity, or even a mortal sin of gross uncharity (e.g., brutalizing a helpless person or inflicting grave mental cruelty upon a tormented soul).  He and I are together 24/7 and he has absolutely no way to get hold of drugs --- yet one more of many, many reasons to homeschool.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #4 on: May 06, 2021, 01:01:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 05, 2021, 09:53:32 PM
    I see no issues with this whatsoever.  Even the use of THC is not intrinsically evil and could have legitimate medical use.  That sounds like buying grapes and then being concerned about the vineyard also selling wine so people can get drunk.

    Yes. This.

    CBD oil has no Faculty-of-Reason-destroying properties, so its use is not sinful at all. It's much better to go with natural remedies like this (created by God) than to resort to the modern-day witch doctors of Big Pharma, who have proven time and again that they can't be trusted and don't have your best interests in mind.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #5 on: May 06, 2021, 06:07:29 AM »
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    CBD oil ... has peaked my curiosity as a prepper pain killer, and also possibly as medication for my autistic son in a grid-down scenario.
    Sean, you know intention is the clincher. It’s a noble intention. It’s one of God’s gifts to mankind. Feel free to try it and use it. 
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #6 on: May 06, 2021, 07:36:28 AM »
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    • There’s nothing wrong with CBD oil.  You can’t get high from it because it contains no THC.  Sometimes people get strange ideas based upon a very little knowledge, like, they know it has something to do with the cannabis plant.  Ever heard of hemp soap?  Hemp is also related to the cannabis plant, but again, it’s not a psychoactive substance.  It’s main use is in making rope as it has fibrous properties.  (My cousin once tried getting high by inhaling smoke from a piece of burning rope. Needless to say, it was a failure!)  There is no emu in Emu Creme, and no bull semen in Red Bull energy drink, either!  If it works, let us know.  I’ve never bothered with it as it seems to be a fad.  A natural topical pain/itch  cream that does actually work is arnica mixed with eucalyptus or spearmint oil.  You’ll find it in any health food store and even some regular pharmacies. 
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #7 on: May 06, 2021, 09:41:50 AM »
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    • CBD oil comes from the crystals that are attached to the buds on the female plants. If you are growing the plant for  THC-free CBD Oil, you do not want a male plant anywhere near it because that interaction will increase the THC levels to rise above the what the Feds allow. After testing your crop, you might have to destroy it all or risk of breaking Federal Law or possible your own State laws. 

    CBD Oil is actually easy to make your-self. If you don't want to spend a lot of money, you can use a frying pan and 100proof grain alcohol.

    I read that one particular type of CBD Oil reduce grand maul seizures by 90%. This was for people who had multiple seizures a day, reduced to once a month.

    It is good stuff.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2021, 09:49:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on May 06, 2021, 07:36:28 AM
    There’s nothing wrong with CBD oil.  You can’t get high from it because it contains no THC.  Sometimes people get strange ideas based upon a very little knowledge, like, they know it has something to do with the cannabis plant.  Ever heard of hemp soap?  Hemp is also related to the cannabis plant, but again, it’s not a psychoactive substance.  It’s main use is in making rope as it has fibrous properties.  (My cousin once tried getting high by inhaling smoke from a piece of burning rope. Needless to say, it was a failure!)  There is no emu in Emu Creme, and no bull semen in Red Bull energy drink, either!  If it works, let us know.  I’ve never bothered with it as it seems to be a fad.  A natural topical pain/itch  cream that does actually work is arnica mixed with eucalyptus or spearmint oil.  You’ll find it in any health food store and even some regular pharmacies.
    I actually laughed out loud when I got to the part about inhaling smoke from hemp rope!  Sounds like something out of Beavis and Butt-head.  (This said, second-hand marijuana smoke, and the accompanying effects, are a thing.)

    I should certainly hope that Red Bull isn't adulterated in the manner you describe.  I drink that stuff sometimes when I need a bit of quick pep.  Strong coffee and a Stanback (it's a Southern thing) are my pick-me-up of preference, though.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2021, 12:22:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on May 06, 2021, 09:49:18 AM
    I actually laughed out loud when I got to the part about inhaling smoke from hemp rope!  Sounds like something out of Beavis and Butt-head.  (This said, second-hand marijuana smoke, and the accompanying effects, are a thing.)

    I should certainly hope that Red Bull isn't adulterated in the manner you describe.  I drink that stuff sometimes when I need a bit of quick pep.  Strong coffee and a Stanback (it's a Southern thing) are my pick-me-up of preference, though.
    Redbull is expensive compared to Bang which has double the caffeine or even Monster. I mainly drink this powder mix for energy.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2021, 05:23:41 PM »
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    • Why would THC be a moral issue, especially if used for medical or pain-relieving purposes? 

    Alcohol has destroyed far more people and families than THC. 

    Not one person in world history has ever overdosed on THC, but people die from alcohol poisoning. 
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #11 on: May 06, 2021, 05:41:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Worm on May 06, 2021, 05:23:41 PM
    Why would THC be a moral issue, especially if used for medical or pain-relieving purposes?

    Alcohol has destroyed far more people and families than THC.

    Not one person in world history has ever overdosed on THC, but people die from alcohol poisoning.

    “The consumption of illegal drugs, even those called soft drugs, is comparable not to becoming tipsy on a little wine but to perfect drunkenness. For these drugs have their effect by causing a “high,” that is, an emotional experience when a person escapes from the demands of reality. For a brief period he lives in an unreal, euphoric world. All the other effects, such as relaxation, come as a consequence of this “high,” or unreal euphoria. If this state does not always prohibit all use of reason, it most certainly does always impede the most important use of reason, which St. Thomas just explained to us “whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins.” All drugs deaden the conscience, and obscure the practical judgment as to right and wrong and what we must do. With respect to morality, their effect is consequently equivalent to the removal of the use of reason, and is a practical refusal to direct all of man’s acts to God through reason.

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    In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.

    Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999”

    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #12 on: May 06, 2021, 05:47:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 06, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
    “In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.
    Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999”

    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188
    Hmm. Interesting. So alcohol isn't a drug (hard or soft depending on one's perspective)? Alcohol induces the same effects as drugs. Intoxication. Impaired judgment. Addiction. Overdoses. Comas. Death.

    And who made Fr. Peter Scott the pope?
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #13 on: May 06, 2021, 05:49:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 06, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
    “The consumption of illegal drugs, even those called soft drugs, is comparable not to becoming tipsy on a little wine but to perfect drunkenness. For these drugs have their effect by causing a “high,” that is, an emotional experience when a person escapes from the demands of reality. For a brief period he lives in an unreal, euphoric world. All the other effects, such as relaxation, come as a consequence of this “high,” or unreal euphoria. If this state does not always prohibit all use of reason, it most certainly does always impede the most important use of reason, which St. Thomas just explained to us “whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins.” All drugs deaden the conscience, and obscure the practical judgment as to right and wrong and what we must do. With respect to morality, their effect is consequently equivalent to the removal of the use of reason, and is a practical refusal to direct all of man’s acts to God through reason.

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    In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.

    Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999”

    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188
    Worm-
    You responded before I could finish posting the full excerpt.  Read again and see if it explains better.
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    Re: Morality of CBD Oil?
    « Reply #14 on: May 06, 2021, 06:27:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Worm on May 06, 2021, 05:23:41 PM
    Why would THC be a moral issue, especially if used for medical or pain-relieving purposes?

    Alcohol has destroyed far more people and families than THC.

    Not one person in world history has ever overdosed on THC, but people die from alcohol poisoning.

    It's not.  Morphine has long been used for pain relief.  Marijuana was demonized, believe it or not, simply because there were some early bio-diesel car engines that ran on hemp oil.  So Rockefeller had it outlawed so that he could get his oil monopoly.

    So clearly they may be used for a grave reason, such as pain relief.

    Moral theologian Jone then stated that some of these may be used for other reasons, such as relief from anxiety.  I know some people who suffer from serious, even debilitating anxiety.

    Also, Fr. Scott makes no distinctions here.  What if someone just took one or two hits of marijuana, just enough to relax them bit but no to the extent of losing all use of reason ... kindof like having two or three glasses of win.  He simply assumes that everyone who uses it becomes high as a kite.
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