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Offline Ladislaus

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Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
« on: May 22, 2022, 01:54:09 PM »
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  • So, I hadn't necessarily believed that the jab is the Mark of the Beast, but then I ran across this.  Revelation 16:2:

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    And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men, who had the character of the beast; and upon them that adored the image thereof.

    "sore and grievious wound" is rendered by a lot of the newer translations as

    * "festering sores"
    * "foul and loathesome sore"
    * "ugly and painful sores"

    https://biblia.com/bible/esv/revelation/16/2

    I'm going to try to find the Greek here in a minute, but it says that only those who had received the "character" (aka "mark") of the beast would be afflicted with the sores. 

    There are theories out there that the whole monkeypox thing is just cover for the effect of the jab.  That would seem to suggest that the jab might in fact be the Mark of the Beast.


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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #1 on: May 22, 2022, 02:04:00 PM »
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  • So the Greek for wound is [h]elkos, and the lexicon says it's typically used of a wound that exudes puss.  I don't have one of the larger Greek Lexica anymore in which I could confirm that.

    sore and grevious
    kakon + poneron

    Literally just means bad and onerous, but it could refer to loathesome, disgusting, troublesome, etc. when combined with wound.  I'd need the much larger Lexicon to be sure.

    But I think that festering sores might not be too far off.

    Why does it afflict just those who received the mark?  Was it supernaturally directed or somehow a natural consequence of the "Mark"?


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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #2 on: May 22, 2022, 02:21:08 PM »
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  • So, I hadn't necessarily believed that the jab is the Mark of the Beast, but then I ran across this.  Revelation 16:2:

    "sore and grievious wound" is rendered by a lot of the newer translations as

    * "festering sores"
    * "foul and loathesome sore"
    * "ugly and painful sores"

    https://biblia.com/bible/esv/revelation/16/2

    I'm going to try to find the Greek here in a minute, but it says that only those who had received the "character" (aka "mark") of the beast would be afflicted with the sores. 

    There are theories out there that the whole monkeypox thing is just cover for the effect of the jab.  That would seem to suggest that the jab might in fact be the Mark of the Beast.

    I'd be more interested in what is stated in the Apocalypse of a Catholic bible.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2022, 02:43:44 PM »
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  • I'd be more interested in what is stated in the Apocalypse of a Catholic bible.

    What are you talking about?  I started with the citatioin from D-R.

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2022, 02:49:10 PM »
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  • So... Who are the two witnesses? When they were killed and people celebrated it? Who is the Antichrist?

    It could be if it affects all the vaxed and exclusively them. I guess we'll know soon.





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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2022, 02:51:32 PM »
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  • There are countless diseases that cause those sorts of symptoms.

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2022, 02:57:49 PM »
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  • So... Who are the two witnesses? When they were killed and people celebrated? Who is the Antichrist?

    Two Witnesses:  Dimond Brothers (not dead yet)
    Antichrist:  JP2

    :laugh1:

    One thing I've noticed about the Book of Revealtion (Apocalypse) is that it's not in chronological order.  It seems to make multiple passes over the same time period viewed from different persectives.  Both Chapter 14 and then later Chapter 18 speak about the fall of Babylon, the harlot, the beast, etc.

    I just find it interesting that the Greek used the term "pharmakaia" ... typically rendered as sorcery or witchcraft, but it does come from the root word for a drug, from which we get out term "pharmacy".

    God only know, but interesting nonetheless.

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2022, 03:00:14 PM »
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  • There are countless diseases that cause those sorts of symptoms.

    Right, but the issue here is that this disease of the puss-oozing sores only inflicts those who have the mark; that's what caught my attention, given the speculation that the jab might be the mark and the speculation about monkeypox that it's actually just a side effect of the jab.


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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #8 on: May 22, 2022, 03:12:45 PM »
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  • Right, but the issue here is that this disease of the puss-oozing sores only inflicts those who have the mark; that's what caught my attention, given the speculation that the jab might be the mark and the speculation about monkeypox that it's actually just a side effect of the jab.
    Well, it'll sure be interesting if it turns out that this only affects jabbies, but I think that's highly unlikely.

    I am getting a little concerned, though, that this will be used to justify Operation World Gulag 2.0 :(

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #9 on: May 22, 2022, 04:00:49 PM »
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  • Well, it'll sure be interesting if it turns out that this only affects jabbies, but I think that's highly unlikely.

    I am getting a little concerned, though, that this will be used to justify Operation World Gulag 2.0 :(
    I think you have it right, Yeti. We haven't seen the signs for the Antichrist proper. This could be a warm up, but too much is still missing from the description in Apocalypse and various commentaries on the same.

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #10 on: May 22, 2022, 06:07:05 PM »
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  • Two Witnesses:  Dimond Brothers (not dead yet)
    Antichrist:  JP2

    :laugh1:
    :laugh2: They've said that it might be a reference to Ss. Peter and Paul who were both martyred in Rome, but I don't buy it.

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    One thing I've noticed about the Book of Revealtion (Apocalypse) is that it's not in chronological order.  It seems to make multiple passes over the same time period viewed from different persectives.  Both Chapter 14 and then later Chapter 18 speak about the fall of Babylon, the harlot, the beast, etc.

    I just find it interesting that the Greek used the term "pharmakaia" ... typically rendered as sorcery or witchcraft, but it does come from the root word for a drug, from which we get out term "pharmacy".

    God only know, but interesting nonetheless.
    Fr. Sylvester Berry and Fr. Kramer both note that it is a spiritual overview of the entirety of Church history. So it makes sense that it isn't a 1:1 history like the Protestants believe. You'll notice that it applies both to the time of St. John as well as to some unknown end of time yet to come.

    I wish Cornelius a Lapide's commentary was in English. I'd love to see what he thought.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #11 on: May 22, 2022, 06:17:03 PM »
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  • Perhaps this are a kind of prefiguration of the Mark as Schneider said about the COVID PASS QR Code.

    I also think that events are missing. But if all the vaxxed get the sores and no unvaxxed get them, then we'll have to start thinking that it's the Mark.

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #12 on: May 22, 2022, 06:27:51 PM »
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  • Fr. Sylvester Berry and Fr. Kramer ...
    Interesting what they had to say about Apocalypse Chapter 12:

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    Fr Berry

    In the foregoing chapter, St. John outlines the history of the Church from the coming of Antichrist until the end of the world in order to give a connected account of the two prophets, Elias and Enoch (or Moses), and the result of their labors. In this chapter, he shows us the true nature of that conflict. It shall be war unto death, between the Church and the powers of darkness, in a final effort of Satan to destroy the Church and thus prevent the universal reign of Christ on earth.

    Satan will first attempt to destroy the power of the Papacy and bring about the downfall of the Church through heresies, schisms and persecutions that must surely follow. Failing in this, he will then attack the Church from without. For this purpose, he will raise up Antichrist and his prophet to lead the faithful into error and destroy those who remain steadfast.

    The Church is ever in labor to bring forth children to eternal life. In the sad days here predicted, the sorrows and pains of delivery shall be increased many-fold. In this passage, there is an evident allusion to some particular son of the Church whose power and influence shall be such that Satan will seek his destruction at any cost. This person can be none other than the Pope to be elected in those days. The Papacy will be attacked by all the powers of hell. In consequence, the Church will suffer great trials and afflictions in securing a successor upon the throne of Peter.

    ...

    The dragon is seen in heaven, which is here a symbol of the Church, the kingdom of heaven on earth. This indicates that the first troubles of those days will be inaugurated within the Church by apostate bishops, priests, and peoples---the stars dragged down by the tail of the dragon.

    ...

    The dragon stands before the woman ready to devour the child that is brought forth. In other words, the powers of hell seek by all means to destroy the Pope elected in those days.

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    Fr Kramer

    One aspect of the supreme conflict between Christ and Satan, between the Church and Antichrist has been depicted in chapter XI. The present chapter depicts another aspect of the same conflict showing Satan to have been active within the Church and to have won a notable following. But he is expelled, and the Church is purified and freed from all scandals. This struggle in the church is assumed as finished in XI. In point of time then, the happenings of the present chapter antedate those of chapter XI. Satan fails to destroy the Church from within, and that leads to the battle with the two beasts in the next chapter, where they, inspired, instigated and endowed by Satan, strive to destroy the Church from without. ...

    It's too much to quote at length, but I think it would benefit a Catholic to read either interpretation if they would like to start somewhere on a commentary.

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #13 on: May 22, 2022, 06:42:08 PM »
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  • Commentary from Haddock Bible, Apocalypse 16:2

    er. 2. And the first. From hence it appears that the first vial was poured out indiscriminately upon the good equally with the wicked. But behold the different consequences that follow: those that have the mark of the beast are afflicted with a sore and grievous wound, which is said in allusion to the madness, fury, and despair with which the wicked were afflicted, whilst St. John's omitting to say any thing of the just, shews that they bore it with resignation and joy. (Calmet)

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    Re: Monkey Pox and Revelation 16:2?
    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2022, 06:47:40 PM »
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  • Fr. Berry and Fr. Kramer on Apoc. 16:2

    Fr. Berry:

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    2. The first vial is poured out upon earth to inflict malignant sores upon those who follow Antichrist. This resembles the sixth plague sent upon Egypt in which ''there came boils with swelling blains in men and beasts.''" God also threatened the unfaithful Jєωs in the wilderness with like punishment: "'May the Lord strike thee with a very sore ulcer in the knees and in the legs, and be thou incurable from the sole of the foot to the top of the head. Herod Arippa was similarly stricken when he allowed himself to be hailed as God.

    In a moral sense this plague refers to the shame and confusion of those who harden their hearts and close their ears to the voice of the Church. In this sense it refers especially to the Jєωs who rejected the true Messias and become leaders against His Church in the days of Antichrist.


    Fr. Kramer:

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    Verse 2

    The first angel goes forth and pours out his bowl upon  the earth, upon the countries entirely subject and submissive to  Antichrist. He may actually carry a vial filled with blest water or  oil or some other matter used in divine service and may visibly  pour out the plague upon the earth, as did Moses sprinkling ashes  from a chimney upon the air. The effect is similar to that of Moses  sprinkling the ashes. The followers of the Beast are afflicted  by an incurable ulcer (See Jer. XXX. 12-15). It is “malignant”  in the technical sense. They may have disposed their bodies by  the corrupt and impure lives they led at the behest of the Beast and the False Prophet. But the angel directly causes the ulcer.  It may be like the ulcer with which God struck the Israelites for  adoring the golden calf. (Exod. XXXII. 35; Deut. XXVIII. 35).  The ulcer shall be extremely painful and bring confusion to  the adorers of the Beast, who shall be powerless to relieve them.  This is his first serious defeat. It is similar to the 6th plague  of Egypt.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]