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We are certainly close to it. And I've shown you that with my other responses.

I'm not arguing that we're not close.  I'm arguing against the multiple comments that the jab = the mark.  It is not, today.  That's my point.


Could a future jab = the mark?  Sure, but other things would have to happen to coincide with Scripture.

I'm arguing against the idea that one could retroactively say "oh the mark was the thing in the past (i.e. covid jab), because present day stuff proved it."  This would imply that one could accidentally take it.  No, I don't think this is how it works.  The mark/antichrist will be on the scene at the same time.  The beast/antichrist will order the mark taken.  So, logically, if there is no antichrist/beast seen now/today (ie in the flesh, a living person, 1 particular person...as is infallibly taught), who is ruler of the whole world (and there isn't), then there is no mark...yet.

The point is that the jab hasn't been fully forced in most of the world to work. Italy and Australia are the exceptions.

Right.  How can the jab be the mark of antichrist if (at least in the US) people can get a religious exemption to it, based on Christ's teachings?  It makes no sense.   The exact people that antichrist wants to persecute are THOSE WHO WOULD GET AN EXEMPTION.  It's like arguing that antichrist will try to impose his will on catholics but there exists a legal loophole where catholics can say, "Stop...stop...timeout...I have a legal exemption.  Your persecution doesn't work on me."    This is the exact OPPOSITE of what will happen when antichrist reigns.  He will be the law.  He will be a global dictator.

In France, if I'm not mistaken, only medical workers were forced. In Spain, Sweden, and other European countries never forced anyone to get vaccinated. Sure, they put restrictions on traveling or entering restaurants, cinemas, etc. But nothing to force him to work. And of course, in no country, not even the harshest, were the unvaccinated prohibited from carrying out economic transactions, nor were they prohibited from accessing supermarkets, for example.

Yep.  No one has been forced to get the jab/mark or starve/be cut off from society.  It's coming but not yet.

DL, I'm not arguing we're not in the last days.  We are.  I'm just saying we haven't yet seen the antichrist, nor the mark.

Heck, we haven't even seen Our Lady's triumph or the period of peace.  Many prophecies (and many, many Church Fathers) say that a period of peace (i.e. Church peace) will happen before antichrist takes over.  We've seen none of this.

So, i'm apt to believe (though I could be wrong) that we are in the end days of the 5th Age of the Church.  We will have a global govt (of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ rule), and possibly a global religion (of freemasonic ecuмenism) and certainly a global currency.  Then God will allow Our Lady to step in and say "Sorry, satan, but not yet.  My Immaculate Heart will triumph."  This Age of Mary will be the (short) period of peace (40 years?), and the 6th age.  The Church will be restored and (almost) the whole world will be catholic.

Then, there will be the 7th age...the GREAT falling away (a worldwide falling away from the Faith, by ALL nations (including never-before-catholic continents like Africa/Asia/Middle East...who will convert during Our Lady's peace.)) and the antichrist will rise to power.  Then everything that happened in the 5th age will be put on steroids.  The global govt, religion and economy will be centered into 1 man - the antichrist and he will try to destroy the Church once and for all.  But this time, Christ will step in and (per the Church Fathers) He will personally destroy antichrist.  Then, similarly to Mary's age of peace, the days after antichrist will be Christ's Social Kingship when EVERY nation (including the joos, finally) will worship Christ and be part of the Church.

That's how I see.  More or less, this lines up with many/most prophecies and many/most of the Church Fathers.  I could still be wrong specifically, but generally speaking, I think the above can be backed up by multiple sources.