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Offline rowsofvoices9

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« on: January 09, 2013, 02:46:45 PM »
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  •  Milk curdles immediately upon entering the stomach, so if there is other food present the curds coagulate around other food particles and insulate them from exposure to gastric juices, delaying digestion long enough to permit the onset of putrefaction. Therefore, the first and foremost rule of milk consumption is, 'Drink it alone, or leave it alone.'

    Today, milk is made even more indigestible by the universal practice of pasteurization, which destroys its natural enzymes and alters its delicate proteins.

    Raw milk contains the active enzymes lactase and lipase, which permit raw milk to digest itself. Pasteurized milk, which is devitalized of lactase and other active enzymes, simply can not be properly digested by adult stomachs, and even infants have trouble with it, as evidenced by colic, rashes, respiratory ailments, gas and other common ailments of bottle-fed babies. The lack of enzymes and alteration of vital proteins also renders the calcium and other mineral elements in milk largely unassailable.

    During the 1930's, Dr. Francis M. Pottenger conducted a 10-year study on the relative effects of pasteurized and raw milk diets on 900 cats. One group received nothing but raw whole milk, while the other was fed nothing but pasteurized whole milk from the same source.

    The raw milk group thrived, remaining healthy, active and alert throughout their lives, but the group fed on pasteurized milk soon became listless, confused and highly vulnerable to a host of chronic degenerative ailments normally associated with humans, including heart disease, kidney failure, thyroid dysfunction, respiratory ailments, loss of teeth, brittle bones, liver inflammation, etc.

    But what caught Dr. Pottenger's attention most was what happened to the second and third generations.

    The first offspring of the pasteurized milk group were all born with poor teeth and small, weak bones- a clear cut sign of calcium deficiency, which indicated lack of calcium absorption from pasteurized milk.

    The offspring of the raw milk group remained as healthy as their parents.

    Many of the kittens in third generation of the pasteurized group were stillborn, while those that survived were all sterile and unable to reproduce.

    The experiment had to end there because there was no fourth generation of cats fed on pasteurized milk, although the raw milk group continued to breed and thrive indefinitely.

    If that is insufficient proof of the ill effects of pasteurized milk, take note of the fact even that newborn calves fed on pasteurized milk taken from their own mother cows usually die within six months, a fact which the commercial dairy industry is loathe to admit.

    It required only three generations for Dr. Pottenger's pasteurized milk fed cats to become sterile and enfeebled. That's about how many generations of Americans and Europeans have fed on pasteurized milk. Today, infertility has become a major problem for your American couples, while calcium deficiency has become so rampant that over 90 percent of all American children suffer chronic tooth decay.

    Women worried about osteoporosis should take note of these facts about pasteurized milk products. That such denatured milk does not deliver sufficient calcium to prevent this condition is abundantly evident from the fact that American women, who consume great quantities of pasteurized milk products, suffer the world's highest incidence of osteoporosis.

    Recent studies at the Human Research Centre in Grand Folks, North Dakota, indicates that the element boron is also an essential factor in absorbing calcium from food and utilizing it to build bones.

    Even more noteworthy, the level of estrogen in the blood of women given sufficient quantities of boron more than doubled, eliminating the need for estrogen replacement therapy, which is a common stopgap measure against osteoporosis in the West. And where do we find boron? In fresh fruits and vegetables, especially apples, pears, grapes, nuts, cabbage, and other leafy vegetables, where we also find calcium. Nature has already provided abundant sources of all the vital nutrients we need in synergetic form, but man insists on cooking and processing them to death, and then wonders why his diet doesn't 'work'.

    It is a scientifically docuмented fact that calves fed on pasteurized milk from their own mother cow usually die within six weeks, so it stands to reason that pasteurized cow's milk is not a wholesome, life-sustaining food for calves, much less for humans.

    Pasteurization destroys the natural enzyme in cow's milk required to digest its heavy protein content.

    This excess milk protein therefore putrefies in the human digestive tract, clogging the intestines with sticky sludge, some of which seeps back into the bloodstream.

    As this putrid sludge accuмulates from daily consumption of dairy products, the body forces some of it out through the skin (acne, blemishes) and lungs (catarrh), while the rest of it festers inside, forms mucus that breeds infections, causes allergic reactions, and stiffens joints with calcium deposits.

    Many cases of chronic asthma, allergies, ear infections, and acne have been totally cured simply by eliminating all dairy products from the diet.

    Cow's milk products are particularly harmful to women.
     Milk is supposed to flow out of, not into, women's bodies.

    The debilitating effects of pasteurized cow's milk on women is further aggravated by the synthetic hormones cow's are injected with to increase milk production. These chemicals play havoc with the delicately balanced female endocrine system. In Food and Healing, the food therapist Anne Marie Colbin describes the dairy disaster for women as follows:

    The consumption of dairy products, including milk, cheese, yogurt, and ice cream, appears to be strongly linked to various disorders of the female reproductive system, including ovarian tumors and cysts, vaginal discharges, and infections. I see this link confirmed time and again by the countless women I know who report these problems diminishing or disappearing altogether after they've stopped consuming dairy food.

    I hear of fibroid tumors being passed or dissolved, cervical cancer arrested, menstrual irregularities straightened out...Even infertility appears to have been reversed with this approach in several instances.

    If you insists on consuming dairy product, your best bet is goat's milk, which approximates the nutritional composition and balance of human milk.

    The only safe products made from cow's milk are fresh butter, which is a digestible fat, and fresh live-culture yogurt, which is predigested for you by lactobacteria, but even these should be consumed in moderation and preferably prepared from raw un-pasteurized milk.

    http://www.dottal.org/DIE%20DIE/milk_and_dairy.htm

    In addition to homogenization, pasteurization, and all the hormones and antibiotics routinely given to cows, I read in another article that milk also contains the same chemicals used in paint to give it that nice white color.  Yuck.  After reading that, the thought of consuming milk and other dairy products became repulsive to me.
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    « Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 03:21:32 PM »
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  • This is coming from a person in the livestock industry...

    Pasteurization is both a blessing and a curse.  I often consume milk from my own sheep and goats and never pasteurize it.  I know where it comes from and how it is processed and I know it's clean, and the ewes and does are free of disease.

    I would not drink raw milk from an average commercial dairy.  As an animal science and prevet student, I have been to many and worked on some.  Cows often tend to be mastitic and I'm not interested in getting strep or some other bacterial infection.  I got strep throat by accident when one of my ewes got mastitis and I was milking her out to relieve the pressure and eliminate the pus.  I got a squirt in my mouth because I was bending over her, trying to restrain her and milk.  She wasn't used to being milked and was in pain.

    The mastitis is caused by a number of factors.  One is that these animals are simply lactating too much and too long.  Ten or fifteen gallons a milk a day is a lot.  Being kept on concrete isn't helpful, though I'm glad to see water mattresses becoming more common.  I'm even happier to see some of the real pasture dairies coming back.  Milking machines and improper disinfecting of the machinery and udder and teats both before and after milking is an issue.  

    Cows cannot be given antibiotics while lactating unless the milk is not sold.  A cow should always be treated when infected, so there is a fair amount of waste milk either dumped or fed to calves.  I personally think that there's a huge issue with antibioic abuse and it has had very negative effects on both people and animals.  Anyway, in theory the milk you buy will not have antibiotic residue in it because the cow must go through a lengthy withdrawal period.  The milk is tested when it's in the bulk tank, and if it's found to be contaminated- OH BOY is that farmer in trouble- for not only is his load ruined and dumped, but he also contaminated the whole truckload, and must compensate the other farmers for it too.  It will not end up in the food supply.  Could it happen?  Yep.  But it's unlikely.

    The reason why calves tend to die before six months has nothing to do with pasteurized MILK.  It's more likely heat-treated COLOSTRUM, that antibody-rich first milk which provides immunity.  High temps kill the antibodies, leaving the calf defenseless against ravaging diseases like E. coli scours and pneumonia.  You can't vaccinate calves at birth.  And calves, like lambs, have a naive immune system at birth.  They have absolutely NO immune system.

    Interestingly, many goat owners heat-treat the  goat milk that they feed their kids as a CAE (Caprine Arthritis Encephalitis) preventative.  The heat kills the virus.  These kids thrive as well as any other.

    Granted, I will always believe that the best way to feed lambs, kids, and calves is raw milk straight from their dam's teat.  But sometimes the way they are managed makes that less practical.  It's unfortunate.

    Anyway, most calves DON'T die within six months of birth.  It takes a heifer until she is two years at least before she drops her first calf.  Gestation is nine months.  It's slow.  Dairy cows aren't even coming into estrus as easily anymore.  If most calves died, we'd have a severe cow shortage, when in fact the dairy industy is expanding almost too much, at least for our state.

    Milk is good for some people and others can't tolerate it.  Some people can't drink cow milk but are fine on sheep or goat milk.  We've been drinking and using milk for thousands of years- it's not a toxic chemical.  And even if it does contain the same chemicals that make paint white, who cares?  It's natural.  Our bodies are composed of so many chemicals with scary-sounding names.  It's the bane of biology students but most people don't think about it because they don't need to.

    I am all for raw milk and all that- just wanted to clarify some points in the article.  One thing I'd like to add too, is that just because it's on the internet, doesn't make it true.  It's best to research many sources that are reliable rather than forming a conclusion on one random site.  I know research isn't always balanced, but it is very possible to find good information especially on such common topics as this.  

    Mozzarella, please!   :ready-to-eat:
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    « Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 06:45:59 PM »
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  • Thank you Shepherd for piercing old wive's tales.

    In the realm of food myths I recall how Lappe's Diet for a Small Planet enshrined some of those old wive's tales.

    I am all in favor of fresh, healthy, organic, non-GMO food, but prefer to avoid both medical and dietetic quackery.

    Please pass the Manchego!

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    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 04:17:28 PM »
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  • Okay Sheep, I took your advice and did a search on the pros and cons of commercially processed milk.  I think you have made some valid points regarding the fact that a lot of the negative information concerning milk is propaganda coming from the anti-milk lobby.  However, the overall consensus seems to verify the fact that homogenized and pasteurized milk together with  all the hormones, antibiotics, unnatural diets consisting largely of grain and soy cows are fed and which are routine practices used in most commercial dairy farms makes this type of product very unhealthy indeed.  Oh and don't forget the very real possibility of contamination from pesticides and herbicides as well.  The very thought of consuming such products is gross to me.   It seems that if you are going to consume milk and dairy products derived from cows, it's best that one limits you consumption to raw whole milk in which cows have been fed natural grass diets.  To show I'm not being biased in my choice of articles, I'm posting articles that both discourage and encourage these products.

    http://nutrismith.com/milk.htm

    http://milk.procon.org/

    http://nutritiondiva.quickanddirtytips.com/is-milk-bad.aspx

    http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no-milk.htm

    Personally I'm a big fan of Almond Breeze.  It's more expensive than milk but I find it tastes good and it has high content of calcium.  And no, I'm not trying to give Blue Diamond a plug.  










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    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 05:14:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: rowsofvoices9






    What I hate about most of these almond milk, rice milk, oat milk, soy milk concoctions is the manufacturers' compulsion to load them up with chalk.  Very few adults need the extra calcium.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »
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  • Yes, but high energy entertainers like Madonna need it



                                              Louise Ciccone

       Years of study at her Manahattan Kaballah center....


      have left her drained of calcium and other natural nutrients.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 10:13:15 PM »
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  • Voices, I pretty much agree with you that raw whole pasture-raised milk is the way to go.  It's better for the cow as well as the person consuming her milk.  Unfortunately, agriculture isn't always going in that direction when it's more profitable to do the conventional dairying.  This is in no way a slam on farmers- they are very hard-working and doing the best they can to survive and thrive.  I don't agree with the hormones...yes, they're the same as what the cow naturally produces, but there is such a thing as too much.

    You can find here in Michigan milk from dairies which don't use such hormones.  In fact, that is the vast majority of the milk around here, but that could easily be just a regional thing.  I do not agree with the way antibiotics are often used, but when you put animals in an unnatural environment, you have to or it presents a very serious welfare concern.  

    Most dairies around here feed a TDR mix which is basically pellets and grain mixed with a lot of silage.  It's supposed to be a balanced ration.  There is usually some hay fed as well.  

    I'll drink pasteurized, homogenized milk from the store, but it's far from ideal.  It may be the only way that farmers can support the population's demand for milk and dairy.  If it matters very much to you, buy organic milk when you can- raw if legally for sale- or get your own cow, doe, or ewe, or make friends with somebody who has them.  

    I find the fat-free, 1%, 2%, etc. to be yucky.  Even the whole milk you buy from the store isn't usually whole- generally at least some of the butterfat is removed so that it meets the minimum standard (3.25% I believe) and not much more.  The excess cream is used for other products.

    I can't personally stand the vegetable milks like rice and almond and coconut.  I know many people enjoy them though.

    Raw milk is a delicious and nearly perfect food (as long as one isn't sensitive to milk!).  I had to laugh during one of my dairy lectures because the prof had an incredibly long list of microorganisms that make raw milk a VERY dangerous thing to drink...I haven't died nor gotten sick yet, nor my family either.  

    I wasn't trying to pick on you- just wanted to point out some common misconceptions about milk and dairy farming.  I happen to actually agree with your main point.  

    God bless!
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    « Reply #7 on: January 12, 2013, 01:01:18 AM »
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  • One point Id like to add concerning the cows milk we drink from the store. The homogenized milk if you notice well the cream does NOT rise to the top. Why?
    Well apparently they have a process by which they BEAT the cream into the milk and from what Ive read its hard for the body to digest.

    Strange though cause I drink raw goats milk and IT is NATURALLY homogenized but there is some cream after two days that will rise to the top but for the most part its very difficult to separate.

    Sorry I have no links or info regarding the facts but they are out there just thought Id point you in the right direction.

     Did you know milk is the most regulated food  in the US? Only second to Majauna???? Go fiqure (excuse my spelling pls)

    If I were in the city Id hook up with a farmer and get as much milk as I could get my hands on and simply freeze it for long term use. Farmers do go to town once in awhile to shop you know. I would just meet them. Not sure what the loop holes are over there but if milk is illegal in your state just simply label it NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION or even CAT FOOD that should make it easier. People make SOAP too out of it so I cant see it having to be GOVT INSPECTED for that???

    Just a thought


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    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 06:50:12 AM »
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  • We usually drink raw milk. Fortunately we can buy it for $3/gallon. In our old city it was close to $7/gallon.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 05:29:12 PM »
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  • I dunno about the raw milk movement.  Seems to be a big trend among homeschooling families.

    I found this website after reading this: http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/
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