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« on: July 25, 2014, 09:52:45 PM »
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  • I hate articles like this, because my entire family is quite addicted to microwave oven use. I much prefer reading stories about things where I'm "doing great". But that's human nature!

    Not pleasant, but truth is truth.


    JULY 23, 2014 by MARCO TORRES
    12 Facts About Microwaves That Should Forever Terminate Their Use

    Are microwaves a benign bastion of convenience or a sinister contributor to biological and nutritional damage? A growing percentage of people are now heeding the advice of holistic health experts and disposing of their microwaves due to the dangers of microwaved food. Regardless of where you stand, humans are the only animals on the planet who destroy the nutritional value of their food before eating it, and the use of microwaves is no exception.

    Microwaves are a source of electromagnetic energy (a form of nonionizing form of radiation) electronically generated. When penetrating the aliments, they trigger an inner rotation of the water molecules inside the food. This rotation triggers a friction between the molecules and the result is a rapid growth in temperature.
    Microwaves use super-fast particles to literally radiate the contents of water inside food and bring it to boil. Not only has microwave use been linked to causing infertility in men, but it also denatures many of the essential proteins in the food making them virtually indigestible.

    Most animals will only consume food in its natural, unprocessed state, but humans actually go out of their way to render food nutritionally worthless before eating it. Think about all the prepackaged and processed foods we purchase and consume annually. It's no wonder the state of our health is in dire straits.

    Microwave ovens work physically, biochemically and physiologically, producing ions and various free radicals, which destroy viruses and bacteria, but not toxins and microtoxins. The experts have concluded that food cooked in microwaves loses between 60% and 90% of its vital energy and, at the same time, the structural disintegration processes accelerates. Also, the nutrient substances are altered, leading to digestive diseases. These microwaves can increase both the number of cancerous cells in blood and the number of stomach and intestinal cancerous cells.

    Microwaves leaking radiation is a serious issue. Serious enough for the FDA to set legal limits on the leakage permitted by every microwave manufacturer. However, the only way to completely eliminate the radiation dangers associated with microwaves is not to use one. Microwave radiation has been known to cause cataracts, birth defects, cancer and other serious illnesses.
    Because of these causes the microwave ovens were banned in the Soviet Union in 1976. Soviet scientists found that the microwave exposure decreases the ability of some vitamins to by absorbed by the human body, dramatically accelerates the structural disintegration of all foods and reduces the metabolic stress of the alkaloids, glycosides and galactoses.
    In 1991, the Swiss Doctor Hans Ulrich Hertel made a study that demonstrated that cooking or heating food presents much greater risks for health than the traditionally cooked food. He found that people who ate microwave prepared food recorded losses in the hemoglobines and lymphoites.
    In 2003, a Spanish governmental study elaborated in Murcia demonstrated that the vegetables and fruits cooked in a microwave lost a percentage of 97% of the substances that contribute to reducing the incidence of coronary heart diseases.

    In Dr. Lita Lee's book, Health Effects of Microwave Radiation -- Microwave Ovens, and in the March and September 1991 issues of Earthletter, she stated that every microwave oven leaks electro-magnetic radiation, harms food, and converts substances cooked in it to dangerous organ-toxic and carcinogenic products.

    In Comparative Study of Food Prepared Conventionally and in the Microwave Oven, published by Raum & Zelt in 1992, at 3(2): 43, it states:

    "Artificially produced microwaves, including those in ovens, are produced from alternating current and force a billion or more polarity reversals per second in every food molecule they hit. Production of unnatural molecules is inevitable. Naturally occurring amino acids have been observed to undergo isomeric changes (changes in shape morphing) as well as transformation into toxic forms, under the impact of microwaves produced in ovens."

    There are no atoms, molecules or cells of any organic system able to withstand such a violent, destructive power for any extended period of time, not even in the low energy range of milliwatts. Microwaves quickly destroy the delicate molecules of vitamins and phytonutrients (plant medicines) naturally found in foods. One study showed that microwaving vegetables destroys up to 97% of the nutritional content (vitamins and other plant-based nutrients that prevent disease, boost immune function and enhance health).

    Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conceive and carry out a quality clinical study on the effects microwaved nutrients have on the blood and physiology of the human body. His small but well controlled study showed the degenerative force produced in microwave ovens and the food processed in them. The scientific conclusion showed that microwave cooking changed the nutrients in the food; and, changes took place in the participants' blood that could cause deterioration in the human system. Hertel's scientific study was done along with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the University Institute for Biochemistry.
    12 Enumerated Effects of Microwaves

    1. A breakdown of the human “life-energy field” in those who were exposed to microwave ovens while in operation, with side-effects to the human energy field of increasingly longer duration;
    2. A degeneration of the cellular voltage parallels during the process of using the apparatus, especially in the blood and lymphatic areas;
    3. A degeneration and destabilization of the external energy activated potentials of food utilization within the processes of human metabolism;
    4. A degeneration and destabilization of internal cellular membrane potentials while transferring catabolic [metabolic breakdown] processes into the blood serum from the digestive process;
    5. Degeneration and circuit breakdowns of electrical nerve impulses within the junction potentials of the cerebrum [the front portion of the brain where thought and higher functions reside];
    6. A degeneration and breakdown of nerve electrical circuits and loss of energy field symmetry in the neuroplexuses [nerve centers] both in the front and the rear of the central and autonomic nervous systems;
    7. Loss of balance and circuiting of the bioelectric strengths within the ascending reticular activating system [the system which controls the function of consciousness];
    8. A long term cumulative loss of vital energies within humans, animals and plants that were located within a 500-meter radius of the operational equipment;
    9. Long lasting residual effects of magnetic “deposits” were located throughout the nervous system and lymphatic system;
    10. A destabilization and interruption in the production of hormones and maintenance of hormonal balance in males and females;
    11. Markedly higher levels of brainwave disturbance in the alpha, theta, and delta wave signal patterns of persons exposed to microwave emission fields, and;
    12. Because of this brainwave disturbance, negative psychological effects were noted, including loss of memory, loss of ability to concentrate, suppressed emotional threshold, deceleration of intellective processes, and interruptive sleep episodes in a statistically higher percentage of individuals subjected to continual range emissive field effects of microwave apparatus, either in cooking apparatus or in transmission stations.
    Take a look around you at every person that still uses a microwave. The largest majority are unhealthy and overweight. The more you use the microwave, the worse your nutritional state gets, and the more likely you are to be diagnosed with various diseases and put on pharmaceuticals which, of course, will create other health problems that lead to a grand spiraling nosedive of health.

    Of all the natural substances -- which are polar -- the oxygen of water molecules reacts most sensitively. This is how microwave cooking heat is generated -- friction from this violence in water molecules. Structures of molecules are torn apart, molecules are forcefully deformed, called structural isomerism, and thus become impaired in quality. This is contrary to conventional heating of food where heat transfers convectionally from without to within. Cooking by microwaves begins within the cells and molecules where water is present and where the energy is transformed into frictional heat.

    The following is a summary of the Russian investigations published by the Atlantis Raising Educational Center in Portland, Oregon:

    - Microwaving prepared meats sufficiently to insure sanitary ingestion caused formation of d-Nitrosodienthanolamines, a well-known carcinogen.

    - Microwaving milk and cereal grains converted some of their amino acids into carcinogens.

    - Thawing frozen fruits converted their glucoside and galactoside containing fractions into carcinogenic substances.

    - Extremely short exposure of raw, cooked or frozen vegetables converted their plant alkaloids into carcinogens.

    - Carcinogenic free radicals were formed in microwaved plants, especially root vegetables.

    Russian researchers also reported a marked acceleration of structural degradation leading to a decreased food value of 60 to 90% in all foods tested. Among the changes observed were:

    - Deceased bio-availability of vitamin B complex, vitamin C, vitamin E, essential minerals and lipotropics factors in all food tested.

    - Various kinds of damaged to many plant substances, such as alkaloids, glucosides, galactosides and nitrilosides.

    According to Dr. Lee, changes are observed in the blood chemistries and the rates of certain diseases among consumers of microwaved foods. The symptoms above can easily be caused by the observations shown below. The following is a sample of these changes:
    a.. Lymphatic disorders were observed, leading to decreased ability to prevent certain types of cancers.
    b.. An increased rate of cancer cell formation was observed in the blood.
    c.. Increased rates of stomach and intestinal cancers were observed.
    d.. Higher rates of digestive disorders and a gradual breakdown of the systems of elimination were observed.
    Decrease in Food Value

    Microwave exposure caused significant decreases in the nutritive value of all foods researched. The following are the most important findings:
    1. A decrease in the bioavailability [capability of the body to utilize the nutriment] of B-complex vitamins, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, essential minerals and lipotropics in all foods;
    2. A loss of 60-90% of the vital energy field content of all tested foods;
    3. A reduction in the metabolic behavior and integration process capability of alkaloids [organic nitrogen based elements], glucosides and galactosides, and nitrilosides;
    4. A destruction of the nutritive value of nucleoproteins in meats;

    5. A marked acceleration of structural disintegration in all foods.

    How Do You Heat Your Food The Healthy Way

    This is kind of a misnomer because there is truthfully, with perhaps the exception of dehydration, no way to heat food and maintain its structural and nutritional value. However, gently heating food in a cast iron pan over the stove may be the healthiest alternative to nuking it. This is the old fashioned way and it never failed our ancestors.

    Toss that microwave and strive to consume at least half of your diet from raw foods, that is a huge step in the right direction to maintain their nutritional value. My mother always used to tell me that if food comes from a package, or has to be heated to be eaten, there's a good a chance it's low in nutrition. She was right for the most part, so keep that in mind when venturing the aisles at the grocery.

    Sources:
    eutimes.net
    hungerforhealth.com

    Marco Torres is a research specialist, writer and consumer advocate for healthy lifestyles. He holds degrees in Public Health and Environmental Science and is a professional speaker on topics such as disease prevention, environmental toxins and health policy.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 26, 2014, 12:20:21 AM »
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  • We have never owned a microwave but a couple of people have offered us one which we graciously refused.

    So I guess if you never get used to one, you don't need to become unused to it. It's easy enough to reheat food by using an oven or a stovetop bain-marie style by placing a smaller pan inside a larger one.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 01:54:56 AM »
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    The article doesn't mention how easy it is to microwave popcorn.  

    It even comes in its own bag.     :popcorn:

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    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 04:15:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    The article doesn't mention how easy it is to microwave popcorn.  

    It even comes in its own bag.     :popcorn:

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    It's much more fun this way:

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    « Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 06:18:16 AM »
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  • We were discussing that the other day.    I have cut back
    On microwave usage.  I'll cook meal and tell my husband to come
    Or it will get cold.  Sometime I use to reheat leftovers.  I just
    Got rid of all nonstick pots and pans.  Making sure a lot of containers are
    BPa free.  
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    « Reply #5 on: July 26, 2014, 06:19:27 AM »
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  • I stopped popping microwave popcorn.  
    I airpop.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 26, 2014, 08:06:29 AM »
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    12 Enumerated Effects of Microwaves

    1. A breakdown of the human “life-energy field” in those who were exposed to microwave ovens while in operation, with side-effects to the human energy field of increasingly longer duration;
    2. A degeneration of the cellular voltage parallels during the process of using the apparatus, especially in the blood and lymphatic areas;
    3. A degeneration and destabilization of the external energy activated potentials of food utilization within the processes of human metabolism;
    4. A degeneration and destabilization of internal cellular membrane potentials while transferring catabolic [metabolic breakdown] processes into the blood serum from the digestive process;
    5. Degeneration and circuit breakdowns of electrical nerve impulses within the junction potentials of the cerebrum [the front portion of the brain where thought and higher functions reside];
    6. A degeneration and breakdown of nerve electrical circuits and loss of energy field symmetry in the neuroplexuses [nerve centers] both in the front and the rear of the central and autonomic nervous systems;
    7. Loss of balance and circuiting of the bioelectric strengths within the ascending reticular activating system [the system which controls the function of consciousness];
    8. A long term cumulative loss of vital energies within humans, animals and plants that were located within a 500-meter radius of the operational equipment;
    9. Long lasting residual effects of magnetic “deposits” were located throughout the nervous system and lymphatic system;
    10. A destabilization and interruption in the production of hormones and maintenance of hormonal balance in males and females;
    11. Markedly higher levels of brainwave disturbance in the alpha, theta, and delta wave signal patterns of persons exposed to microwave emission fields, and;
    12. Because of this brainwave disturbance, negative psychological effects were noted, including loss of memory, loss of ability to concentrate, suppressed emotional threshold, deceleration of intellective processes, and interruptive sleep episodes in a statistically higher percentage of individuals subjected to continual range emissive field effects of microwave apparatus, either in cooking apparatus or in transmission stations.


    This list sounds like it could be straight out of a Coast-to-Coast episode or discussions about The Force or alien encounters.  In fact, I recently heard a broadcast which discussed the "life-energy field" and how this can divide so that a soul could actually be re-incarnated into two or more people simultaneously.

    This whole thing sounds more like New Age hysteria than rational thought.

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    Take a look around you at every person that still uses a microwave. The largest majority are unhealthy and overweight. The more you use the microwave, the worse your nutritional state gets, and the more likely you are to be diagnosed with various diseases and put on pharmaceuticals which, of course, will create other health problems that lead to a grand spiraling nosedive of health.


    And here I thought it was a lack of healthy eating habits, a sedentary lifestyle that caused us to be unhealthy and overweight.  I guess I can eat all the candy and Ho-Ho's I want, lots of pasta and fatty foods, and everything they say is unhealthy while sitting down to watch Biggest Loser and the rest of the television line-up every day as long as I swear off the microwave and build a house 500 meters away from anyone who might be using a microwave oven.

    I think this is poppycock.  I await the thumbs-downs.

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  • There are so many harmful things we use daily that is actually killing
    us.
    Do not forget the goal if the Georgia Guide stones is to eliminate
    90 percent of the world's population.

    A. Plastic Bottles are toxic, Why not use recycle glass bottles from
    the 1930's to the 1970's.  Mexico has the original COKE formula
    and uses the glass bottle of the 1950's vintage, and taste like.
    coke did in the 1950's.

    B cell phone radio waves cause brain and nerve damage after
    long time use.  I have relatives that are now dead because of
    their constant use of cell phones.

    C. GMO Foods, these are toxic and dangerous. Even the EU
    has band them. Montesanto does not allow these foods in their
    cafeteria.

    D. Many toxics and poisons we get from household cleaners.

    E. Many toxics in today's over the counter and prescription
    drugs.  Most from Red China.

    F. Fluoride, is a toxic that does not really do any cleaning but
    killing.  And its poisons are responsible for law birth rates and
    early child deaths. You have to go to a health food store to
    find a non fluoride toothpaste.

    G. Humans are the not the only ones being killed.  There are
    many deadly toxics in Pet Foods.

    H. Do not purchase anything cheep, It may be deadly for your
    health.


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    There are so many harmful things we use daily that is actually killing
    us.
    Do not forget the goal if the Georgia Guide stones is to eliminate
    90 percent of the world's population.

    A. Plastic Bottles are toxic, Why not use recycle glass bottles from
    the 1930's to the 1970's.  Mexico has the original COKE formula
    and uses the glass bottle of the 1950's vintage, and taste like.
    coke did in the 1950's.

    I used to prefer glass to plastic.  Then one day, I broke a glass bottle and stepped on the shards with bare feet.  It took me DAYS with an Exacto Knife to dig out all those tiny glass slivers!
    Now, I'm back to plastic.   :kick-can:

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    B cell phone radio waves cause brain and nerve damage after
    long time use.  I have relatives that are now dead because of
    their constant use of cell phones.

    Are you sure they're not dead because they were too late paying their cell phone bill?

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    C. GMO Foods, these are toxic and dangerous. Even the EU has band them.

    [Do you mean "banned them?"]

     Montesanto does not allow these foods in their cafeteria.

    The EU has banned GMO foods?
    Monstenasanito -- I mean Monsanto doesn't allow GMO foods in their cafeteria?
    Sounds like more conspiracy theories  :tinfoil:
    Sounds like Internet rumours   :tinfoil:

    Sounds like McCarthyism (remember the Communists under the bed thingy?)

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    D. Many toxics and poisons we get from household cleaners.
    [Do you mean to say toxins?]

    E. Many toxics in today's over the counter and prescription
    drugs.  Most from Red China.
    [Do you mean to say toxins?]

    F. Fluoride, is a toxic
    [HEL-L-O-O-O-O :  toxin?]

    that does not really do any cleaning but killing.  
    [Sounds like, "no god but allah," ... "no fluoride but killing."]

    And its poisons are responsible for law birth rates
    [law birth rates? legal birth rates? illegal birth rates?  illegitimate birth rates?  bastard babies?]

    and early child deaths. You have to go to a health food store to
    find a non fluoride toothpaste.

    I had a dentist who assured me that he NEVER uses toothpaste, only water, because it's the FLOSS that does all the cleaning;  but it didn't really hit home for me until I found TOOTHPASTE on the list of HAZARDOUS MATERIALS that are collectible at a hazardous materials collection center.  I asked the attendants there about that and they said that we should not throw empty tubes of toothpaste -- or FULL ones -- away in the regular trash because they're toxic for the environment.  I asked them, "Is this for toothpase with fluoride or without fluoride?" They said it doesn't matter whether the toothpaste has fluoride or not -- ALL TOOTHPASTE is hazardous material.  So I said, IF IT'S TOXIC for the 'ENVIRONMENT', HOW TOXIC is it for the ENVIRONMENT of our MOUTHS?  They replied, "You have a good point there.  Maybe you should stop using toothpaste."  I assured them that I had done just that about 30 years ago.  

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    G. Humans are the not the only ones being killed.  There are
    many deadly toxics in Pet Foods.  
    [Toxins.....  there are many deadly toxins.]

    H. Do not purchase anything cheep, It may be deadly for your health.

    Remember:  when your health dies, it might be bad for you, too.

    Cheep -- like a marshmallow Easter egg with a chick cheeping on it?  
    *cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep*

    The next time my wife goes shopping and only buys the sale items in the market, especially the day after Easter, I'll be sure to quote this post:  

    "H. Do not purchase anything cheep, It may be deadly for your health."

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    « Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 01:34:41 PM »
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    Microwaved foods taste weird and are hard or rubbery.  I don't use it often for that reason.  I agree with TKGS.  The research sounds like something cooked up in the labs of the Soviet Union in the 1970s!
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  • Quote from: TKGS
     I await the thumbs-downs.


    But I recently resolve to use thumbs down less often. Bummer!


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    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    There are so many harmful things we use daily that is actually killing
    us.
    Do not forget the goal if the Georgia Guide stones is to eliminate
    90 percent of the world's population.

    A. Plastic Bottles are toxic, Why not use recycle glass bottles from
    the 1930's to the 1970's.  Mexico has the original COKE formula
    and uses the glass bottle of the 1950's vintage, and taste like.
    coke did in the 1950's.

    I used to prefer glass to plastic.  Then one day, I broke a glass bottle and stepped on the shards with bare feet.  It took me DAYS with an Exacto Knife to dig out all those tiny glass slivers!
    Now, I'm back to plastic.   :kick-can:

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    B cell phone radio waves cause brain and nerve damage after
    long time use.  I have relatives that are now dead because of
    their constant use of cell phones.

    Are you sure they're not dead because they were too late paying their cell phone bill?

    Quote
    C. GMO Foods, these are toxic and dangerous. Even the EU has band them.

    [Do you mean "banned them?"]

     Montesanto does not allow these foods in their cafeteria.

    The EU has banned GMO foods?
    Monstenasanito -- I mean Monsanto doesn't allow GMO foods in their cafeteria?

    Plastic is toxic, Glass is not.  Accidents with safe things can be deadly.
    dropping and breaking a glass bottle is as dangerous in having an
    automobile accident.
    Sounds like more conspiracy theories  :tinfoil:
    Sounds like Internet rumours   :tinfoil:

    Sounds like McCarthyism (remember the Communists under the bed thingy?)

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    D. Many toxics and poisons we get from household cleaners.
    [Do you mean to say toxins?]

    E. Many toxics in today's over the counter and prescription
    drugs.  Most from Red China.
    [Do you mean to say toxins?]

    F. Fluoride, is a toxic
    [HEL-L-O-O-O-O :  toxin?]

    that does not really do any cleaning but killing.  
    [Sounds like, "no god but allah," ... "no fluoride but killing."]

    And its poisons are responsible for law birth rates
    [law birth rates? legal birth rates? illegal birth rates?  illegitimate birth rates?  bastard babies?]

    and early child deaths. You have to go to a health food store to
    find a non fluoride toothpaste.

    I had a dentist who assured me that he NEVER uses toothpaste, only water, because it's the FLOSS that does all the cleaning;  but it didn't really hit home for me until I found TOOTHPASTE on the list of HAZARDOUS MATERIALS that are collectible at a hazardous materials collection center.  I asked the attendants there about that and they said that we should not throw empty tubes of toothpaste -- or FULL ones -- away in the regular trash because they're toxic for the environment.  I asked them, "Is this for toothpase with fluoride or without fluoride?" They said it doesn't matter whether the toothpaste has fluoride or not -- ALL TOOTHPASTE is hazardous material.  So I said, IF IT'S TOXIC for the 'ENVIRONMENT', HOW TOXIC is it for the ENVIRONMENT of our MOUTHS?  They replied, "You have a good point there.  Maybe you should stop using toothpaste."  I assured them that I had done just that about 30 years ago.  

    Quote
    G. Humans are the not the only ones being killed.  There are
    many deadly toxics in Pet Foods.  
    [Toxins.....  there are many deadly toxins.]

    H. Do not purchase anything cheep, It may be deadly for your health.

    Remember:  when your health dies, it might be bad for you, too.

    Cheep -- like a marshmallow Easter egg with a chick cheeping on it?  
    *cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep*

    The next time my wife goes shopping and only buys the sale items in the market, especially the day after Easter, I'll be sure to quote this post:  

    "H. Do not purchase anything cheep, It may be deadly for your health."

    .


    Breaking a glass bottle is as dangerous as having a car accident.
    Accidents can be always avoided.
    Neil Obstat. You are to smart for your pants.  You like to make fun
    of people who you feel are dumber than you. You are a very bad
    Catholic for such a proud attitude.  It will not get you to heaven.
    Thumbs down on you forever.

     

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