Author Topic: Men who have been vegetarian in the past (Read 3596 times)

Jacob III · « **on:** February 18, 2013, 01:14:09 AM »

Have any other men been vegetarian in the past? I recently (4 or so weeks ago) became an omnivore again. I have noticed increased energy, enthusiasm, romantic desire as well as a new interest in physical fitness and outdoor activities. I have found it to be motivating as my wife is pregnant with baby #1 and I will become a father in August.

Has anyone else noticed these things?

Pelly · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2013, 03:39:57 AM »

My question that is vegetarianism compatibile with Catholicism or Christianity in general?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:08:38 AM »

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My question that is vegetarianism compatibile with Catholicism or Christianity in general?

I don't see anything in the Bible which prohibits not eating meat. Some people are vegetarians because of their concern for animal welfare.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:13:10 AM »

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My question that is vegetarianism compatibile with Catholicism or Christianity in general?

I don't see anything in the Bible which prohibits not eating meat. Some people are vegetarians because of their concern for animal welfare.

Vegetarianism is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Only the Catholic faith qualifies as "Christianity in general". All other heretical sects are not Christian.

The sentiment expressed above that one may be a vegetarian out of "concern for animal welfare" is pagan as it places the welfare of animals on par with humans. It is disgusting that anyone who considers himself a Catholic would even consider such a motive for vegetarianism.

On the other hand, voluntarily abstaining from meat as a sacrifice to God is laudable and there are records of many saints who did so--but absolutely none of them were "vegetarians."

The difference between abstaining from meat and vegetarianism is very similar to the difference between the Christian voluntarily accepting martyrdom and the person who commits ѕυιcιdє. One action is laudable while the other action condemns.

Traditional Guy is correct that the Bible does not prohibit not eating meat. But the Bible does indeed prohibit actions based on motives that are contrary to the will of God.

Tiffany · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2013, 09:17:27 AM »

The one I know does it for health reasons.

I'd love to but it seems too costly for me to do it consistently.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2013, 11:22:05 AM »

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Quote from: Pelly
My question that is vegetarianism compatibile with Catholicism or Christianity in general?

I don't see anything in the Bible which prohibits not eating meat. Some people are vegetarians because of their concern for animal welfare.

Vegetarianism is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Only the Catholic faith qualifies as "Christianity in general". All other heretical sects are not Christian.

The sentiment expressed above that one may be a vegetarian out of "concern for animal welfare" is pagan as it places the welfare of animals on par with humans. It is disgusting that anyone who considers himself a Catholic would even consider such a motive for vegetarianism.

On the other hand, voluntarily abstaining from meat as a sacrifice to God is laudable and there are records of many saints who did so--but absolutely none of them were "vegetarians."

The difference between abstaining from meat and vegetarianism is very similar to the difference between the Christian voluntarily accepting martyrdom and the person who commits ѕυιcιdє. One action is laudable while the other action condemns.

Traditional Guy is correct that the Bible does not prohibit not eating meat. But the Bible does indeed prohibit actions based on motives that are contrary to the will of God.

Well I oppose abortion and contraception but I also have a soft spot for animals. I guess that makes me "anti-Christian" and "unmanly." Some people are vegetarians also because they notice an increased vitality and stamina as well when they don't eat meat.

Pelly · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2013, 11:38:13 AM »

Many are vegetarians because they love animals. Know what? I LOVE Jesus, yet I eat Him.

MrsZ · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2013, 02:53:41 PM »

I believe we need animal protein to be in optimal health. Vegetables don't provide everything we need to take care of muscles and tissue. We're made to eat meat and vegetables and fruit and some grains. That's why it's a sacrifice, a big sacrifice, to abstain from meat for spiritual reasons.

A good book on this subject is "Nourishing Traditions" By Sally Fallon, Mary G. Enig.

Nadir · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2013, 12:59:55 AM »

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I have noticed increased energy, enthusiasm, romantic desire...

I realise that this thread refers to men, but if I may just say that what you have said here is precisely the reason why men in monastic orders refrain from eating meat, because it can rouse the senses, which is good for a married man but not for a monk.

Mrs Z said

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We're made to eat meat and vegetables and fruit and some grains.

I don't believe that God made us to eat meat. Genesis 1 [29-30] says

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And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat: And to all beasts of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to all that move upon the earth, and wherein there is life, that they may have to feed upon. And it was so done.

It was after the fall, that man became weakened by sin that he felt the need of meat.

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I believe we need animal protein to be in optimal health. Vegetables don't provide everything we need to take care of muscles and tissue.

I have never followed a vegetarian diet, but our diet contains far less meat than the average joe; we prefer vegetables and I feel better for it. It depends very much on the person and their activities I suppose. It is certainly not something to be dogmatic about. I don't believe we really need meat but that we just find it easier to eat what we are used to preparing and eating.

Nadir · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2013, 01:10:58 AM »

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Quote from: Pelly
My question that is vegetarianism compatibile with Catholicism or Christianity in general?

I don't see anything in the Bible which prohibits not eating meat. Some people are vegetarians because of their concern for animal welfare.

Animals are for the use of man. I can't abide cruelty to animals, but killing an animal to eat it is not necessarily cruel, though of course the killing could be done in a cruel manner.

Eskimos could not think that way. They could not survive without meat.

Animals have no rights, so nobody can put non-existent rights above the rights of men.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2013, 03:19:20 AM »

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Quote from: Jacob III
I have noticed increased energy, enthusiasm, romantic desire...

I realise that this thread refers to men, but if I may just say that what you have said here is precisely the reason why men in monastic orders refrain from eating meat, because it can rouse the senses, which is good for a married man but not for a monk.

Exactly right.

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It was after the fall, that man became weakened by sin that he felt the need of meat.

Yes, I believe it was, more specifically, after the Flood that God gave meat to men to eat. Prior to this, it was forbidden and men did not eat meat. That being said, what are the implications to this ? It seems to me that, if one's body worked as well as Noe's and those of his fathers did -- such that living for many centuries was not uncommon -- then one would certainly acquire sufficient nutrients from a vegetarian diet; they necessarily acquired these nutrients. In any case, that was a different age of the world and our bodies no longer work that way.

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I don't believe we really need meat but that we just find it easier to eat what we are used to preparing and eating.

Speaking in the context of the lives of the laity, I think meat is good for the soul -- its acquisition, preparation, and consumption are now part and parcel with healthy social customs and the virtues proper to each sex.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:11:06 AM »

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Animals have no rights

Animals have the right to be treated descently. They don't have to be inhumanely tortured as like what happens in factory farms and slaughterhouses.

Nadir · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:53:50 AM »

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Animals have no rights.

Animals have the right to be treated decently. They don't have to be inhumanely tortured as like what happens in factory farms and slaughterhouses.

"inhumanely tortured" "slaughterhouses". That's very emotive language! You'r not an animal liberationist I hope.

No person in their right mind would dispute that animals should not be treated cruelly.

But rights belong only to human beings. It is a modern heresy to give to animals what belongs rightly only to human beings.

right - an abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:27:10 AM »

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"inhumanely tortured" "slaughterhouses". That's very emotive language! You'r not an animal liberationist I hope.

I support animals as pets if that is what you mean; I mean domesticated animals of course and I also have a disgust with animal cruelty.

And yes I meant exactly what I meant by saying that animals are inhumanely tortured at factory farms and slaughterhouses. That is one thing I can agree with PETA on.

By the way those same factory farms and monopolies have no problems with putting family farms out of business and turning farms into factories and farmers into assembly-line workers as that is the next step on the harmful process of industrialization. Wall Street has no problem with that of course.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:43:12 AM »

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right - an abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature.

I am sure the Catholic Church would agree, considering they have no problems letting Mexicans cross the borders to fill up their pews. :wink:

Meanwhile the immigrants leave trash and debris all over the U.S.-Mexican border, the most polluted area on Earth, and that trash is then eaten by cows who then have to be "humanely" put down for swallowing the trash. Not to mention the immigrants slice dogs' throats to keep them quiet as they loot a person's property.

And let's not even mention the social costs to Americans here, who have to deal with crime, rape, murder, paying for these peoples' welfare, drugs, crime and drug cartels, etc. :wink: