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Offline holysoulsacademy

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« on: May 03, 2014, 03:52:14 PM »
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  • I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



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    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 06:27:53 PM »
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  • Oh boy, did we research the heck out of this issue in 2009.  We purchased a Berkey, with the filters for heavy metals as well as flouride.  It's fantastic.
    http://www.berkeyfilters.com/

    They have good prices on Amazon (that also helps Matthew/M.D.).  Check out the British version of the Berkey also - I think it may be a better unit.

    Get the best filters you can with this unit - it's worth it.  They last years and years.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 07:03:20 PM »
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  • Berkey, hands down.

    These folks are great to work with:  Pleasant Hill Grain

    I have bought numerous things from them.

    Marsha

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 08:47:45 PM »
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  • I use Brita.  Berky looks interesting
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2014, 10:51:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    I use Brita.  Berky looks interesting

    yikes, if you want a brita style filter that actually works check out seychelle, http://www.seychelle.com/,

    I believe the best system though is  a reverse osmosis system


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    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2014, 12:46:22 AM »
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    Oh boy, did we research the heck out of this issue in 2009.  We purchased a Berkey, with the filters for heavy metals as well as flouride.  It's fantastic.
    http://www.berkeyfilters.com/

    They have good prices on Amazon (that also helps Matthew/M.D.).  Check out the British version of the Berkey also - I think it may be a better unit.

    Get the best filters you can with this unit - it's worth it.  They last years and years.


     Same thing here.

    The directions will tell you that if you want to filter really dirty water, like in an emergency, to add a few drops of bleach.

    If you have a family, get the biggest one you can afford. Big Berkey wasn't big enough with the fluoride filters so we traded someone who wanted a smaller one and got a bigger one, we have the Imperial. We were filling the smaller size up more often but the Imperial seems to fit our needs as a family, which is a fast filter rate and the ability to keep up with what we drink.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 02:02:33 AM »
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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    What do you mean by "pretty high?"  If it's health you're looking for, you ought to be drinking water that's at LEAST 8.5 pH, or higher.  

    Who told you that your water had "high pH?"


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    « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2014, 03:48:43 AM »
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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    What do you mean by "pretty high?"  If it's health you're looking for, you ought to be drinking water that's at LEAST 8.5 pH, or higher.  

    Who told you that your water had "high pH?"


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    I did not really think much of it but my neighbor said that the bottled water I buy is too high, and was recommending I purchase the one she bought, she knows the dealer and could get me a discount - and her water tastes better than mine!

    But her system hooks on to the kitchen pipes and I want a stand alone one.

    Thanks for the tip Neil.

    Anyway, now that I realize how much I would be saving with a filtration system I am definitely going for it.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 07:37:19 AM »
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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    What do you mean by "pretty high?"  If it's health you're looking for, you ought to be drinking water that's at LEAST 8.5 pH, or higher.  

    Who told you that your water had "high pH?"


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    The pH of normal body tissue is 7.4 so why would you want to drink water that is at least a pH of 8.5?  

    I would recommend minimizing or eliminating meat from your diet and eliminating all dairy products.  

    Genesis 1:29 "And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:".  

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    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 10:13:07 AM »
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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    What do you mean by "pretty high?"  If it's health you're looking for, you ought to be drinking water that's at LEAST 8.5 pH, or higher.  

    Who told you that your water had "high pH?"


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    The pH of normal body tissue is 7.4 so why would you want to drink water that is at least a pH of 8.5?  


    Not a bad question, but this is not a simple topic.  The fact is, that I know several people whose doctors told them they were terminally sick, and then they began a regimen of 8.5 to 9.5 pH water ONLY (they stopped consuming acidic or neutral pH water) and over a period of 5 months to 18 months they recovered completely, and the doctors cannot explain it and they don't even want to acknowledge the possibility that high pH water had anything to do with it.  

    Do you know anything about diverticulitis?  It can develop into colon cancer.  

    A)   Everyone who develops any kind of cancer has an acidic syndrome in their blood -- all cancer patients have 6 or even 5 pH blood in their tumors.  

    B)  Cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment.

    C)  Everyone who raises the pH of their system gets rid of cancer.

    D)  It is literally ILLEGAL for any commercial enterprise to say that their product cures cancer, because of the FDA lock on the industry and Big Pharma.


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    I would recommend minimizing or eliminating meat from your diet and eliminating all dairy products.  

    Genesis 1:29 "And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:".  
     

    Too bad Genesis didn't mention alkaline water.  But they did not have that terminology at the time.


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    « Reply #10 on: May 04, 2014, 10:44:08 AM »
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  • Berkey seems not to support the theory that alkaline water is beneficial.  They seem to be neutral on the matter, or, a '7'.  

    http://www.berkeyfilters.com/blog/2012/12/19/what-is-alkaline-water/

    How does one make their water more alkaline?
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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    What do you mean by "pretty high?"  If it's health you're looking for, you ought to be drinking water that's at LEAST 8.5 pH, or higher.  

    Who told you that your water had "high pH?"


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    The pH of normal body tissue is 7.4 so why would you want to drink water that is at least a pH of 8.5?  


    Not a bad question, but this is not a simple topic.  The fact is, that I know several people whose doctors told them they were terminally sick, and then they began a regimen of 8.5 to 9.5 pH water ONLY (they stopped consuming acidic or neutral pH water) and over a period of 5 months to 18 months they recovered completely, and the doctors cannot explain it and they don't even want to acknowledge the possibility that high pH water had anything to do with it.  

    Do you know anything about diverticulitis?  It can develop into colon cancer.  

    A)   Everyone who develops any kind of cancer has an acidic syndrome in their blood -- all cancer patients have 6 or even 5 pH blood in their tumors.  

    B)  Cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment.

    C)  Everyone who raises the pH of their system gets rid of cancer.

    D)  It is literally ILLEGAL for any commercial enterprise to say that their product cures cancer, because of the FDA lock on the industry and Big Pharma.


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    I would recommend minimizing or eliminating meat from your diet and eliminating all dairy products.  

    Genesis 1:29 "And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:".  
     

    Too bad Genesis didn't mention alkaline water.  But they did not have that terminology at the time.


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    Acidic water is not the root cause of cancer.

    Meat and dairy are.  

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    « Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 06:04:42 PM »
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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    We have a Berkey Light ceramic gravity filter but keep it just for emergencies.  For our main drinking water we have an APEC Reverse Osmosis (RO) system under our sink.  That company also has a Portable Counter-top RO filter that does not need to connect to your pipes.
    We are really happy with the APEC and have bought 2 over the years and have recommended them to other people who are pleased with them.  RO is a superior way to purify water.  It does however take some water pressure.  When you remove nearly all the dissolved solids from water with an RO, the pH should be neutral (I.e., 7).
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  • Doesn't RO remove minerals though?  We need minerals.

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    Remember what Berkey sells, and then you'll understand what they say.


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    Berkey seems not to support the theory that alkaline water is beneficial.  


    They actually say they don't know what the benefits are.

    Sorry for being blunt, but Berkey does not say that they have any evidence for it not being beneficial.  There is a reason for that:  there is no such evidence.  They would have to lie to say there is.  And so they use the innuendo tactic of leaving you high and dry with nothing substantive but a few sneaky words to malign it in an underhanded way, like liberals do with guns, for example, and with gun control.

    I have a friend who has a sports car with a bumper sticker on it, which says,

    "GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE -- BUT ABORTION CLINICS DO!"  

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    They seem to be neutral on the matter, or, a '7'.  [I guess that was a joke?]

    http://www.berkeyfilters.com/blog/2012/12/19/what-is-alkaline-water/

    How does one make their water more alkaline?


    It's interesting you would quote a Berkey website about alkaline water and you still don't know how one makes one's water more alkaline.  Why doesn't Berkey explain that?  Answer:  because then you would be asking Berkey, "If that's what it takes to make water more alkaline, then why don't you build it and sell it?"  Would Berkey have an answer for that?  Or would they respond by answering as though you had asked a different question?

    From the linked Berkey page:

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    Alkaline Water Defined

    Alkaline water is related to pH. The term, pH, refers to the amount of hydrogen in the water.


    Here they are ostensibly "defining" what alkaline water is, but their definition is highly lacking.  It might even be construed as erroneous.  The term, pH, refers to potential hydrogen.  Why didn't they say that?  A quick check verifies this fact:

    pH,
    abbreviation for potential hydrogen, a scale representing the relative acidity (or alkalinity) of a solution, in which a value of 7.0 is neutral, below 7.0 is acid, and above 7.0 is alkaline. The numeric pH value indicates the relative concentration of hydrogen ions in the solution compared with that of a standard (1 molar) solution. It is equal to the negative log of the hydrogen ion concentration expressed in moles per liter. See also acid, acid-base balance.

    So it isn't "how much hydrogen" is in the water but rather the relative concentration of hydrogen ions (H+) in the water.  It is the availability of hydrogen, which depends on what the solution is in which the hydrogen is being measured.  When it comes to water, the pH value is affected by trace minerals in the water, among other things.

    Later, under the heading of Benefits of Alkaline Water, they say they don't really know what the benefits are, and they're waiting for the Mayo Clinic to find out for them, and meanwhile, they're issuing a "WARNING" after a 4-week study:

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    The Mayo Clinic, however, warns that more research is needed since it is unknown if alkaline water influences overall bone mineral density. Furthermore, these studies were only performed on a short-term basis (four weeks). Long-term benefits of drinking alkaline water are largely unknown at this time.



    How do you know when you're reading propaganda from Big Pharma?  When you see phrases like "long term benefits are largely unknown" because they haven't bothered to do any long term studies.  They have plenty of funding for long term studies of all kinds of useless drivel, but they can't be bothered with studying the long term effects of alkaline water consumption.  

    Let me take a wild-a** guess at why:  After the 4-week study they could see where things were headed so they figured they had better nip this in the bud and forget about any long-term study lest Big Pharma might have egg on its face, again.

    Instead of any objective information, they hurl the sneer of "health craze" at it.

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    It is very important to drink plenty of water but, as with any health craze, be sure to research the topic of alkaline water carefully before you decide to only consume this particular type of water.



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    Hint:  If you came here to read about alkaline water, forget it, because we don't have any objective information, just vague indirect implications.  IOW you cannot do any research on this topic on THIS web page.

    As for consuming only this particular type of water, I have been doing just that for about 4 years now, and I feel great.  I have friends who also are doing it and feel great.  I have never heard of anyone anywhere in the entire world who has been drinking alkaline water for many years who does not feel great.  Have you?  But Berkey leaves you with the impression that there are no benefits?

    I have other friends who believe everything that pharmacists and medical doctors who are owned by Big Pharma say, and they want nothing to do with drinking alkaline water and they feel sick as if it were on a schedule, for no apparent reason.  Now, I'm not going to say that's proof or even strong evidence, but it's useful information if you want a well-rounded conception of what is really going on.  

    I have a friend who was terminally sick with cancer but he has completely recovered, and his recovery occurred entirely during the time after he started to drink 9.5 pH water exclusively.  The doctors told him that even in the UNLIKELY case that he would be free from cancer one day, that he would nonetheless live out the rest of his life with traces of remnants of this cancer, and there is nothing that can be done about that.  It's been about 4 years for him now, and the doctors can't find any trace in his body that he had ever HAD cancer.  And they do not want to do any case study on him, nor do they want to write any articles about him, nor is the news media banging on his door for photo opps or interviews.  Why do you suppose that is?

    How long would some fad, or popular trend in eating habits be going on to be legitimately called a "health craze?"  A year?  Two years?  How about 5 years?  How long do "health crazes" last, anyway?  Can you think of an ongoing "heath craze" with convinced believers that has been going on for 10 years and no medical testing has been done for more than 4 measly weeks?  No?  How about 20 years?  

    Is it still a "health craze" after 20 years, with ever-growing numbers of adherents and success stories, and NOT A SINGLE ONE of any kind of problem or malady or adverse consequence?

    What's the hang up?  Has anyone ever had any chronic infirmity from drinking alkaline water?  You know when you go through detox or a colon cleanse, you might have adverse side effects like nausea or sweats of vertigo or abdominal pains and other things, but that's not a "chronic" illness.  It is just your body reacting to the toxins that it is releasing from inside, poisons that you had been carrying around like baggage for perhaps years.  Ask any chiropractor or dietician who recommends herbal cleanses.



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    I am seriously contemplating purchasing a water filtration system especially since I have learned that the pH of my spring water bottled water is pretty high. Any recommendations? Why do you like it?

    Any bad experiences with filtration systems is also appreciated thank you.

    I am looking for a countertop/standalone version one that doesn't need to be connected to my pipes. I am also hoping it will filter both pathogens and metals..



    What do you mean by "pretty high?"  If it's health you're looking for, you ought to be drinking water that's at LEAST 8.5 pH, or higher.  

    Who told you that your water had "high pH?"


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    The pH of normal body tissue is 7.4 so why would you want to drink water that is at least a pH of 8.5?  


    Not a bad question, but this is not a simple topic.  The fact is, that I know several people whose doctors told them they were terminally sick, and then they began a regimen of 8.5 to 9.5 pH water ONLY (they stopped consuming acidic or neutral pH water) and over a period of 5 months to 18 months they recovered completely, and the doctors cannot explain it and they don't even want to acknowledge the possibility that high pH water had anything to do with it.  

    Do you know anything about diverticulitis?  It can develop into colon cancer.  

    A)   Everyone who develops any kind of cancer has an acidic syndrome in their blood -- all cancer patients have 6 or even 5 pH blood in their tumors.  

    B)  Cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment.

    C)  Everyone who raises the pH of their system gets rid of cancer.

    D)  It is literally ILLEGAL for any commercial enterprise to say that their product cures cancer, because of the FDA lock on the industry and Big Pharma.


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    I would recommend minimizing or eliminating meat from your diet and eliminating all dairy products.  

    Genesis 1:29 "And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:".  
     

    Too bad Genesis didn't mention alkaline water.  But they did not have that terminology at the time.


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    Acidic water is not the root cause of cancer.

    Meat and dairy are.  


    When did I say that acidic water is the root cause of cancer???  

    What I said was this:  all cancer patients have 6 or even 5 pH blood in their tumors.  Anyone who has studied the history of cancer research knows this because it has been a matter of public record since the 1930's.  So any cancer research center ought to have such longstanding and objectively verifiable data foremost in mind when conducting any honest research.

    "It is literally ILLEGAL for any commercial enterprise to say that their product cures cancer, because of the FDA lock on the industry and Big Pharma."  

    Therefore, you're not going to find anyone in business saying their product cures cancer.  Therefore, no manufacturers are going to say their machine produces alkaline water that cures cancer.  This is so that chemotherapy and related prescription medicines can be hawked for the big bucks and customers will line up to throw their money at it.

    It's interesting that you're saying that meat and dairy are the root cause of cancer though, without any references.  Did you do a study?  Did you read that in an AMA-approved medical journal?  Was there some article by the CDC or the Surgeon General or by Pfeizer written to their doctor-subscribers that pronounces this discovery?  

    Do you know whether people who consume meat and dairy products AND drink alkaline water ever get cancer?  If not, don't you think that might be helpful to know -- I mean, if the "root cause" is meat and dairy then why would those who drink alkaline water be any less likely to get cancer, since the "root causes" are still present?

    I highly doubt the meat packing industry or the dairy industry would be saying that when you eat meat and/or dairy products you're "asking for it."


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