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Offline BernardoGui

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Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2023, 10:48:58 PM »
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  • I just read she was married 4 times, in and out of drug rehab many times, and blew through a hundred million dollar fortune. 
    I'm trying to think of anyone who was given so much in the way of fame and wealth whose life wasn't a train wreck or used their position to advance evil.
    Yet, the average person mistakenly believes these individuals have enviable lives.

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #16 on: January 12, 2023, 11:08:05 PM »
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  • Lisa Marie is a Scientologist to boot .
    Prayers for her 


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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #17 on: January 12, 2023, 11:10:57 PM »
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  • She is dead . May God have mercy on her.

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #18 on: January 13, 2023, 02:06:50 AM »
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  • I just read she was married 4 times, in and out of drug rehab many times, and blew through a hundred million dollar fortune.
    I'm trying to think of anyone who was given so much in the way of fame and wealth whose life wasn't a train wreck or used their position to advance evil.
    Yet, the average person mistakenly believes these individuals have enviable lives.
    She left this earth the same way as her father. It's quite sad, really.
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #19 on: January 13, 2023, 05:58:55 AM »
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  • Lisa Marie is a Scientologist to boot .
    Prayers for her
    I forgot she was a scientologist. No point in praying as she was standing on a trap door straight to hell.


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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #20 on: January 13, 2023, 06:27:11 AM »
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  • I look at the picture of that sweet little girl, so beautiful and made in the image of God, and feel pangs of grief and pity.  

    Our crucified Lord pitied us all. I pray she found her way to his fold in her last days. 



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    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #21 on: January 13, 2023, 06:31:43 AM »
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  • I forgot she was a scientologist. No point in praying as she was standing on a trap door straight to hell.
    I always pray that there was a last second conversion from the merciful Lord.

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #22 on: January 13, 2023, 06:38:26 AM »
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  • "How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation?"
    Romans 2:3

    L Ron Hubbard only offered salvation from Xenu 




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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #23 on: January 13, 2023, 07:34:56 AM »
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  • Lisa Marie is a Scientologist to boot .
    Prayers for her
    I read that she gave up scientology, but I have no idea if it's correct nor what she switched to if it is correct.


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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #24 on: January 13, 2023, 09:31:11 AM »
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  • I always pray that there was a last second conversion from the merciful Lord.
    Indeed. People seem to forget that prayer transcends time, so you could literally pray for anyone that they had a last second conversion. If you wanted to pray for Stalin for the grace of conversion at his death, you could. It doesn't mean he responded to grace and converted but you are doing your part, atemporally, to have God provide that grace.

    It's not like you're saying they're definitely in heaven or Purgatory by doing so.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #25 on: January 13, 2023, 09:55:00 AM »
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  • Elvis was never my cup of tea. 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #26 on: January 13, 2023, 09:58:46 AM »
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  • I read that she gave up scientology, but I have no idea if it's correct nor what she switched to if it is correct.
    You are correct. She was disillusioned by Scientology for a few years and left the "church" in 2014- I just read that. That's a good thing.

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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #27 on: January 13, 2023, 11:03:22 PM »
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  • Indeed. People seem to forget that prayer transcends time, so you could literally pray for anyone that they had a last second conversion. If you wanted to pray for Stalin for the grace of conversion at his death, you could. It doesn't mean he responded to grace and converted but you are doing your part, atemporally, to have God provide that grace.

    It's not like you're saying they're definitely in heaven or Purgatory by doing so.

    Some of you will reach for anything to try to "save" someone outside The Church.  This doesn't even make sense because IF that were the case then there would be evidence of their conversion in "real time" that would manifest itself before the person's death.  Some of you will play these little scenarios and semantics that make no Catholic sense whatsoever so you can compromise with the world by seeming "nice."  Truth is not so nice sometimes.   

    The sober and Catholic way to look at this without compromising with the world and being a sentimentalist is to understand that unless someone knowingly outside The Church showed some exterior/manifest signs of conversion before death then we are not to pray for them.  Doing so tells God that you think there's salvation outside of His Church or it turns into the whole "BoD" thing which is another can of worms altogether so I won't get into that here.   One could argue that "but...but...they may have become Catholic all of the sudden!"  That's an absurd notion just to try to "save" someone.  Even if that were granted in extremely rare cases it would still manifest itself as a deathbed conversion so people can actually see that they became Catholic before they died.   

    Sorry to pick on your post specifically but I see this attitude here all the time and it needs to be called out.   

    The fewness of the saved is a real thing and one people (myself included) should meditate on daily.  It's not "judging" someone to take Church Teaching to it's natural conclusion.  There are some in my family that died manifestly outside The Church, I'm not just going to say "well maybe they converted in their mind and some invisible person baptized them before death that I couldn't see" when they lived their lives outside The Church loving their sins until their death or other such semantics just because I loved them and would have preferred they were saved.  One shouldn't subject their feelings and sentimentalism to God's revealed Truth.  



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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #28 on: January 13, 2023, 11:32:22 PM »
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    unless someone knowingly outside The Church showed some exterior/manifest signs of conversion before death then we are not to pray for them.
    You would have to be at her deathbed to know if she showed some exterior/manifest sign of conversion. Were you there when she died?

    Where did you get this from? Can you give the Church teaching that says we are not to pray?
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    Re: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Full Cardiac Arrest
    « Reply #29 on: January 14, 2023, 05:08:17 AM »
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  • Some of you will reach for anything to try to "save" someone outside The Church.  This doesn't even make sense because IF that were the case then there would be evidence of their conversion in "real time" that would manifest itself before the person's death.  Some of you will play these little scenarios and semantics that make no Catholic sense whatsoever so you can compromise with the world by seeming "nice."  Truth is not so nice sometimes. 

    The sober and Catholic way to look at this without compromising with the world and being a sentimentalist is to understand that unless someone knowingly outside The Church showed some exterior/manifest signs of conversion before death then we are not to pray for them.  Doing so tells God that you think there's salvation outside of His Church or it turns into the whole "BoD" thing which is another can of worms altogether so I won't get into that here.  One could argue that "but...but...they may have become Catholic all of the sudden!"  That's an absurd notion just to try to "save" someone.  Even if that were granted in extremely rare cases it would still manifest itself as a deathbed conversion so people can actually see that they became Catholic before they died. 

    Sorry to pick on your post specifically but I see this attitude here all the time and it needs to be called out. 

    The fewness of the saved is a real thing and one people (myself included) should meditate on daily.  It's not "judging" someone to take Church Teaching to it's natural conclusion.  There are some in my family that died manifestly outside The Church, I'm not just going to say "well maybe they converted in their mind and some invisible person baptized them before death that I couldn't see" when they lived their lives outside The Church loving their sins until their death or other such semantics just because I loved them and would have preferred they were saved.  One shouldn't subject their feelings and sentimentalism to God's revealed Truth. 
    Very well put!
    I'm surprised by how many times I've seen this cope on this forum of all places. The lives of these non Catholics and how they died should serve as a sobering warning to all that salvation and damnation is no game. 
    When you read the tributes paid to all these celebrities when they die there is usually some mention about how they are heaven now, fluttering around with angel wings. That's Bergoglioism in a nutshell. It has been stated by many holy men of the church that the most intense attacks by the devil come precisely on one's deathbed, which combined with delirium from pain/medication make deathbed acts of conversion/contrition extremely rare. We are given various tools, like the brown scapular, the first 5 Saturday devotion, the sacraments, to help us attain a state of grace in that most important moment of our lives. We can't say, oh God has infinite pity so it's possible so and so was saved when absolutely nothing about their lives showed any interest in Christ.