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Offline Stanley N

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Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 09:53:49 AM »
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  • It's related to a vaccine, where the Pirbright Institute holds a patent from 2015 on an altered (allegedly attenuated) form of the corona virus.  There was also some dolt at, if I recall the University of Wisconsin, who developed a 100% lethal version of corona virus by changing its outer shell somehow.
    Coronavirus is a group. SARS is a coronavirus, for example.
    A patent from 2015 is for a different virus strain. It's not for the current strain.
    This looks like social media hype.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #16 on: January 25, 2020, 09:57:23 AM »
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  • Coronavirus is a group. SARS is a coronavirus, for example.
    A patent from 2015 is for a different virus strain. It's not for the current strain.
    This looks like social media hype.

    Certainly this is merely speculative, but it doesn't hurt to probe and to look for connections.  That's the only way cօռspιʀαcιҽs get uncovered, through people beginning with speculation and then attempting to connect dots.  Many labs have been experimenting extensively with coronavirus, and there is in fact a bioweapons lab close to the source of this outbreak.  


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #17 on: January 25, 2020, 10:06:12 AM »
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  • Here's a Global Flu Pandemic Simulation by the Gates Foundation done in 2018


    Offline Stanley N

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 10:14:09 AM »
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  • Certainly this is merely speculative, but it doesn't hurt to probe and to look for connections.  That's the only way cօռspιʀαcιҽs get uncovered, through people beginning with speculation and then attempting to connect dots.  Many labs have been experimenting extensively with coronavirus, and there is in fact a bioweapons lab close to the source of this outbreak.  
    In the absence of knowledge, lots of things are "possible".
    Are you aware of any positive evidence that this 2020 strain is connected to bioweapon work?
    MERS is also a coronavirus and derived from bats, apparently via camels, which have been found with antibodies.

    Lots of people have done pandemic simulations. Is it because they're planning a pandemic, or figuring out how to predict and control one?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #19 on: January 25, 2020, 11:26:11 AM »
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  • Are you aware of any positive evidence that this 2020 strain is connected to bioweapon work?

    No, just the circuмstantial evidence that the reported site of the initial outbreak is in close proximity to a Chinese Level 4 Bioweapons Research Facility.

    So far the Chinese have effectively locked down 50 million people, and reportedly 10% of their economy is now shut down.  They would not do this for a simple outbreak with a very low mortality rate.  I suspect that they know something that they're not coming out with.  If the Communist leaders say, "Good Morning," there's 90% chance that it's actually night time.  If their lips are moving, they're lying.


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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #20 on: January 25, 2020, 11:55:21 AM »
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  • Stanly N, bioterrorism isn't a far-fetched scenario.

    A highly esteemed expert in epidemiology, infectious disease, bioteerorism, etc. wrote an academic paper stating that bioterrorism must be seriously considered as a causation of the MERS coronavirus outbreak in Saudi Arabia.

    My opinion is the MERS coronavirus outbreak was a beta-test which is essentially bioterrorism, too, because it targeted the population and people were infected and died.

    Here's her paper:

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10669-014-9506-5

    The discrepant epidemiology of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV)

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    The Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) is a newly emerged infection in humans affecting the Arabian Peninsula, Europe, and North Africa. The source and persistence of the infection in humans remains unknown. The aim of this paper was to apply a risk analysis approach to the epidemiology of MERS-CoV and to understand the source of ongoing infections. The epidemiology of MERS-CoV was reviewed and compared to SARS. Each observed feature of MERS-CoV epidemiology was summarized and fitted to either an epidemic or one of two sporadic scenarios (either animal or deliberate release). As of May 2014, MERS-CoV has infected over 681 people and killed a further 204 over 2 years. In contrast, there were 8,273 cases and 775 deaths from SARS within 8 months. MERS-CoV has a more sporadic pattern unlike the clear epidemic pattern seen with SARS, and an unusual concentration of cases in the Middle East, without epidemics in other countries to which it has spread. SARS, with a higher reproductive number (R0), was eliminated from humans within 8 months of emerging, yet MERS-CoV, with a low R0 has persisted in humans over a far more prolonged period. This is at odds with the expected behavior of a virus with a low R0, which theoretically should not persist unless there are ongoing introductions of infection into humans, and poses the question “what is the source of continuing infections in humans?” A hospital outbreak in Al Ahsa, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA), had a classic epidemic pattern with some human-to-human transmission. However, 3 different strains were identified in that outbreak, an unexpected and unexplained finding for what appears to be a single source outbreak. Since this outbreak in April 2013, there has been a large increase in new cases, mainly in KSA in April and May 2014, with no corresponding epidemics in other countries. Yet MERS-CoV was present in KSA over several mass gatherings (which predispose to epidemics), including the Hajj pilgrimage, without an epidemic arising. Furthermore, although the virus has been identified in bats and camels, the mode of ongoing transmission to humans remains uncertain. Although some cases appear to be transmitted from human to human, and a few have animal or camel exposure, many cases have no history of contact with either animals or human cases. A high proportion of asymptomatic or otherwise undetected cases have been postulated as an explanation for the unusual epidemiology, yet active surveillance does not support this. When the observed data were fitted to different disease patterns, the features of MERS-CoV fit better with a sporadic pattern, with evidence for either deliberate release or an animal source. There are many discrepancies in the observed epidemiology of MERS-CoV, which better fits a sporadic than an epidemic pattern. Possible explanations of the unusual features of the epidemiology include human-to-human transmission with a large proportion of undetected cases; or sporadic ongoing infections from a non-human source; or a combination of both. Possible sources of ongoing sporadic infection in humans include animals (camels appear the most likely source), or deliberate release. The latter could explain 3 strains being present in a single hospital outbreak. Genetic testing should be conducted to determine whether the virus is evolving to be more transmissible. Better ascertainment of mild or asymptomatic cases is also needed. Finally, the discrepant epidemiology warrants critical analysis of all possible explanations, and involvement of all stakeholders in biosecurity, and deliberate release must be seriously considered and at least acknowledged as a possibility.

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #21 on: January 25, 2020, 04:28:43 PM »
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  • https://beholdisrael.org/israeli-biological-warfare-expert-connects-chinas-wuhan-virus-to-covert-biological-warfare-laboratory/

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    An Israeli biological warfare expert by the name of Dany Shoham, who is now with the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University in Israel, believes that the deadly Wuhan virus is likely connected to one of China’s covert biological warfare laboratories; in this case, the Wuhan Institute of Virology. While there is a lot of speculation at this point, there are several truths that validate his concern.

    Now, the original claim that Patient Zero contracted the virus at a fish market has been debunked, and it has come out that he had never visited there.  Given the fact that they floated an obviously false story about where this came from, it's very possible they're just trying to cover this up.

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #22 on: January 25, 2020, 04:42:53 PM »
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  • It's related to a vaccine, where the Pirbright Institute holds a patent from 2015 on an altered (allegedly attenuated) form of the corona virus.  There was also some dolt at, if I recall the University of Wisconsin, who developed a 100% lethal version of corona virus by changing its outer shell somehow.

    Patent # please?


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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #23 on: January 25, 2020, 04:56:03 PM »
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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #24 on: January 25, 2020, 05:07:38 PM »
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  • 10130701

    Thanks.

    I'm no expert in Biomedicals, but the patent does appear to cover a coronavirus, and potentially for use as a vaccine.  Inventors are British. Patent application was first applied for back in 2014. U.S. Patent issued in November 2018.  See attached.

    Abstract of the patent is as follows:

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    The present invention provides a live, attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene encoding polyproteins comprising a mutation in one or more of non-structural protein(s) (nsp)-10, nsp-14, nsp-15 or nsp-16. The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject.

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #25 on: January 25, 2020, 07:04:52 PM »
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    I'm no expert in Biomedicals, but the patent does appear to cover a coronavirus, and potentially for use as a vaccine. Inventors are British. Patent application was first applied for back in 2014. U.S. Patent issued in November 2018. See attached.

    The British research company, Pirbright Institute, also, collaborated with other researchers at a European research project involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology earlier in 2015. Wuhan just so happens to be the city of index case (first person infected and start of the outbreak). Notwithstanding the fact that coronavirus isn't the same clade of coronavirus that emerged recently in Wuhan, doesn't mean they didn't develop it, too. More goes on behind the scenes than is revealed, especially when there are bad intentions. The revealed patent simply could have been a cover for another clade they were developing.


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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #26 on: January 25, 2020, 07:13:10 PM »
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  •  It's no coincidence that the index case (first infection) occurred right before the Chinese New Year, thus, all of the travelers, many of whom will be infected, will be vectors to the entire globe when they returned home. That's how the virus has already made its presence in the U.S. and Europe. Imagine all of the people infected by those hosts who showed no symptoms during travel. It's already proven that human-to-human transmission occurs without symptoms of the host.

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #27 on: January 25, 2020, 07:18:16 PM »
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  • But all of that being said, I don't think the interested parties ultimately responsible for the outbreak are ethnic Chinese. Chinese don't run the Federal Reserve and Bank of England.

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #28 on: January 25, 2020, 07:34:42 PM »
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  • I've already heard cases of grannies recovering from this just fine. Barely worse than the flu. 

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    Re: Killer Carona Virus now in United States
    « Reply #29 on: January 25, 2020, 08:01:17 PM »
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  • I've already heard cases of grannies recovering from this just fine. Barely worse than the flu.

    And young otherwise healthy people are dying.  Spanish flu in 1918 actually killed young men more than anyone else.  Flu death typically comes as the result of the body's own immune system, through a mechanism known as cytokine storm.  So the higher fatality rates occur in those with stronger immune systems.

    Yeah, it's barely worse than the flu.  That's why China has quarantined 57 million people so far and shut down 10% of its economy ... because this is just another flu outbreak.

    My money is on the fact that the Chinese accidentally released this from their nearby Level 4 Bioweapons Lab.  And these things are engineered to get more virulent as they mutate.