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Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
« on: February 21, 2021, 03:43:00 PM »
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    • Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”

    Speaking at a February 19 LifeSiteNews.com online conference, Bishop Athanasius Schneider warned that the voice of the unborn children’s blood is crying to God from abortion-tainted ναccιnєs.

    Schneider presents a “chain of crimes”: the murder of unborn children, the extraction of their cells, the recycling of their body parts, and their commercialisation. He criticises that Francis and the bishops do not see the grievousness of the matter.

    The Vatican document allowing such ναccιnєs, and their promotion by Francis are for Schneider personal statements: “We do not have to accept this as definitive and infallible teaching.” The bishop clarifies that Francis is “objectively wrong” in this matter.

    Schneider wishes a new Pro-life movement that protests unambiguously against abortion-tainted ναccιnєs.

    #newsRrolnywcem

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    A brave witness. Francis will ignore him, but our Athanasius gave his witness.




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    Thank you Bishop Athanasius Schneider. You are totally correct, a man of discernment and a defender of the unborn. Pope Francis is objectively wrong on all those counts.




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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2021, 05:08:49 PM »
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    • At my SSPX chapel, we just heard from the pulpit today that it is morally acceptable to use abortive ναccιnєs, if there is a proportionate reason (reference to the refuted Fr. Selegny article).

    While I have given up posting during Lent (Sunday are exempt), I will be using some of that recovered time to write a comprehensive refutation of the SSPX articles, the 2005 Vatican doc, and add many considerations the SSPX position leaves out of consideration.

    I do acknowledge the complexity of the matter, the division between authorities on the matter, and the possibility I could be wrong.

    That said, it is clear to me that had Catholics held strong against the pointless abortive MMR ναccιnє 20 years ago, we would not today be debating the morality of the abortive CÖVÌD19 “ναccιnє.”

    I feel a strong compulsion to lay out the complete argument against the moral permissibility of using abortive ναccιnєs, so I’m going to put it out there, and then, as always, if the other side defeats my arguments, I will be obliged to amend my position (as any honest man would do).

    Look for it shortly before Holy Week.
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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2021, 07:55:37 PM »
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    • The SSPX's further drift to apostasy has dumbfounded me.

    How can they condone an injection of fetal tissue (satanic sorcery) and lethal DNA modifications?

    Woa to SSPX Holy religious!  You are complicit with a masonic organization that has sold it's faithful out.

    What will you say to Our Lord at your personal judgement ?



    You're no better than Heny VIII's clergy who betrayed Holy Mother Church.
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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2021, 08:16:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 21, 2021, 05:08:49 PM
    At my SSPX chapel, we just heard from the pulpit today that it is morally acceptable to use abortive ναccιnєs, if there is a proportionate reason (reference to the refuted Fr. Selegny article).

    While I have given up posting during Lent (Sunday are exempt), I will be using some of that recovered time to write a comprehensive refutation of the SSPX articles, the 2005 Vatican doc, and add many considerations the SSPX position leaves out of consideration.

    I do acknowledge the complexity of the matter, the division between authorities on the matter, and the possibility I could be wrong.

    That said, it is clear to me that had Catholics held strong against the pointless abortive MMR ναccιnє 20 years ago, we would not today be debating the morality of the abortive CÖVÌD19 “ναccιnє.”

    I feel a strong compulsion to lay out the complete argument against the moral permissibility of using abortive ναccιnєs, so I’m going to put it out there, and then, as always, if the other side defeats my arguments, I will be obliged to amend my position (as any honest man would do).

    Look for it shortly before Holy Week.
    I am from the area where your chapel/school is. Thank you for letting me know through this post to avoid it and continue going to the St. Cloud chapel. Sad that a priest goes through 7 years of seminary only to give out un-Catholic opinions.
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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2021, 10:32:52 PM »
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    • I'm woefully unqualified to understand moral theology but in my simple understanding, this just doesn't make sense to me.  At all.

    I believe the idea that they are licit is based on three criteria which simply have not been met:

    1) the need to protect individuals and populations is grave

    Nope.  The incredibly high survival rate (over 99%) does not warrant a grave need whatsoever.  Our natural immune system is proven more effective than the shot. 

    Plus the shot doesn't protect anyone from infection or transmission!

    2) there is no alternative

    Nope.  Plenty of alternatives including ivermectin, hydroxychloraquin and others.

    3)  one continues to reject the evil of abortion and the use of aborted children in research 

    So that makes everything all better?  NO.  We have to take a stand!

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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #5 on: February 22, 2021, 06:13:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 21, 2021, 05:08:49 PM
    I do acknowledge the complexity of the matter, the division between authorities on the matter, and the possibility I could be wrong.

    This comment alone shows your humility on this topic.  If only other trads looked at the topic the same way.  
    I will give your assessment a look-see when it arrives.  My only request would be that you try to make it as succinct as possible.   
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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2021, 10:11:12 AM »
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    • Has anyone heard definitively whether the Sputnik vax (Russian one) made use of fetal cells at all?  I have heard that it did not, but then later I heard that it did.

    If it doesn't, then if it gets to the point where I'm required to vax to keep my job, then I'm on the first plane to Hungary to get the Sputnik vax.  I'm guessing it won't be approved in the U.S. since they don't want competition of pfιzєr.
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    Re: Bishop Schneider: Francis Is “Objectively Wrong”
    « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2021, 11:20:39 AM »
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    • My understanding is that they did use fetal tissue in the ναccιnє development phase.
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