Author Topic: Italian Department of Health revises Covid deaths down from 130,000+ to 3783 (Read 1047 times)

DigitalLogos · « **on:** October 22, 2021, 09:41:41 AM »

Lies, lies, it's all lies.

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The Italian Department of Health casually revised its death count from “Covid-19” down from over 130,000 to 3783.

As we have been saying in this space since the beginning, hardly anyone dies of a cold or flu virus without having been severely ill or weakened beforehand. This is how human life has been since time immemorial. And, sure enough, the Italian Department of Health has quietly admitted that people rarely died FROM (per, in Italian), but rather WITH (con, in Italian) a cold virus.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/10/22/is-italy-looking-for-an-exit-from-the-coronascam-italian-department-of-health-revises-all-time-covid-deaths-down-from-130000-to-3783/

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2021, 06:35:56 PM »

Yep, this came this morning by email
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-institute-health-drastically-reduces-its-official-covid-death-toll-number

Italian Institute Of Health Drastically Reduces Its Official COVID Death Toll Number

BY TYLER DURDEN

FRIDAY, NOV 05, 2021 - 03:30 AM

Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News,
The Italian Higher Institute of Health has drastically reduced the country’s official COVID death toll number by over 97 per cent after changing the definition of a fatality to someone who died from COVID rather than with COVID.

Italian newspaper Il Tempo reports that the Institute has revised downward the number of people who have died from COVID rather than with COVID from 130,000 to under 4,000.

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“Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid,” writes Toby Young.

Of the of the 130,468 deaths registered as official COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, only 3,783 are directly attributable to the virus alone.

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“All the other Italians who lost their lives had from between one and five pre-existing diseases. Of those aged over 67 who died, 7% had more than three co-morbidities, and 18% at least two,” writes Young.
“According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures.”

The Institute’s new definition of a COVID death means that COVID has killed fewer people in Italy than (whisper it) the average bout of seasonal flu.
If a similar change were made by other national governments, the official COVID death toll would be cut by a margin of greater than 90 per cent.
Don’t expect many others to follow suit though, given that governments have invested so much of their authority in hyping the the threat posed by the virus.
For example, behavioral psychologists in the UK worked with the state to deliberately “exaggerate” the threat of COVID via “unethical” and “totalitarian” methods of propaganda in order to terrify the public into mass compliance.
And it worked.
A survey conducted after the first lockdown found that the average Brit thought 100 times more people had died from COVID than the official death toll.
Now we come to understand that the official killed ‘by COVID’ and not ‘with COVID’ figure is less than one tenth what is officially reported as the total COVID death toll.
Despite the change, Italy may yet take the decision to make the COVID-19 vaccine mandatory, although how such a scheme would be imposed remains unspecified.

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2021, 07:51:30 PM »

I agree it’s a scam, but this article seems to be saying that the Italian Health Department did not do this:

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-italy-more-132-214524271.html

Nadir · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2021, 08:41:55 PM »

You know of course, QVD, that the factcheckers move in when there is truth in the story.

I went through this with my brother early last year. He swore black and blue that people were dying like flies, when they were at the time counting any death at all as covid.

Article fro March 23, 2020
Case-Fatality Rate and Characteristics of Patients Dying in Relation to COVID-19 in Italy | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA | JAMA Network
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763667

Definition of COVID-19–Related Deaths
A second possible explanation for the high Italian case-fatality rate may be how COVID-19–related deaths are identified in Italy. Case-fatality statistics in Italy are based on defining COVID-19–related deaths as those occurring in patients who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 via RT-PCR, independently from preexisting diseases that may have caused death. This method was selected because clear criteria for the definition of COVID-19–related deaths is not available.

Electing to define death from COVID-19 in this way may have resulted in an overestimation of the case-fatality rate. A subsample of 355 patients with COVID-19 who died in Italy underwent detailed chart review. Among these patients, the mean age was 79.5 years (SD, 8.1) and 106 (30.0%) were women. In this sample, 117 patients (30%) had ischemic heart disease, 126 (35.5%) had diabetes, 72 (20.3%) had active cancer, 87 (24.5%) had atrial fibrillation, 24 (6.8%) had dementia, and 34 (9.6%) had a history of stroke. The mean number of preexisting diseases was 2.7 (SD, 1.6). Overall, only 3 patients (0.8%) had no diseases, 89 (25.1%) had a single disease, 91 (25.6%) had 2 diseases, and 172 (48.5%) had 3 or more underlying diseases. The presence of these comorbidities might have increased the risk of mortality independent of COVID-19 infection.

COVID-19–related deaths are not clearly defined in the international reports available so far, and differences in definitions of what is or is not a COVID-19–related death might explain variation in case-fatality rates among different countries. To better understand the actual causes of death, the ISS is now reviewing the complete medical records of all patients with positive RT-PCR results who have died in Italy

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2021, 09:16:09 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on November 05, 2021, 08:41:55 PM

You know of course, QVD, that the factcheckers move in when there is truth in the story.

I went through this with my brother early last year. He swore black and blue that people were dying like flies, when they were at the time counting any death at all as covid.

Article fro March 23, 2020
Case-Fatality Rate and Characteristics of Patients Dying in Relation to COVID-19 in Italy | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA | JAMA Network
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763667

Definition of COVID-19–Related Deaths
A second possible explanation for the high Italian case-fatality rate may be how COVID-19–related deaths are identified in Italy. Case-fatality statistics in Italy are based on defining COVID-19–related deaths as those occurring in patients who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 via RT-PCR, independently from preexisting diseases that may have caused death. This method was selected because clear criteria for the definition of COVID-19–related deaths is not available.

Electing to define death from COVID-19 in this way may have resulted in an overestimation of the case-fatality rate. A subsample of 355 patients with COVID-19 who died in Italy underwent detailed chart review. Among these patients, the mean age was 79.5 years (SD, 8.1) and 106 (30.0%) were women. In this sample, 117 patients (30%) had ischemic heart disease, 126 (35.5%) had diabetes, 72 (20.3%) had active cancer, 87 (24.5%) had atrial fibrillation, 24 (6.8%) had dementia, and 34 (9.6%) had a history of stroke. The mean number of preexisting diseases was 2.7 (SD, 1.6). Overall, only 3 patients (0.8%) had no diseases, 89 (25.1%) had a single disease, 91 (25.6%) had 2 diseases, and 172 (48.5%) had 3 or more underlying diseases. The presence of these comorbidities might have increased the risk of mortality independent of COVID-19 infection.

COVID-19–related deaths are not clearly defined in the international reports available so far, and differences in definitions of what is or is not a COVID-19–related death might explain variation in case-fatality rates among different countries. To better understand the actual causes of death, the ISS is now reviewing the complete medical records of all patients with positive RT-PCR results who have died in Italy

Certainly it’s a scam and the numbers are HUGELY exaggerated, but I can’t find any corroboration of the story that the Italian Health Department revised the numbers. That is all that I’m questioning. If the story is true, it would be a great piece of evidence to bolster our side. Have you found a source that confirms the story?

Nadir · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2021, 09:47:56 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 05, 2021, 09:16:09 PM

Have you found a source that confirms the story?

I am searching for the source.

Nadir · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2021, 11:39:15 PM »

I am wondering where Ann Barnhardt got her figures.

This is Il Tempo article

https://www.iltempo.it/attualita/2021/10/21/news/rapporto-iss-morti-covid-malattie-patologie-come-influenza-pandemia-disastro-mortalita-bechis-29134543/

Big mess in the death report. For the ISS, most of the deaths were not caused by Covid - Il Tempo
Franco Bechis October 21, 2021

According to the new report (which had not been updated since July) from the Higher Institute of Health on mortality from Covid, the virus that brought the world to its knees would have killed far less than a common flu. It seems a bizarre and no vax statement, but according to the statistical sample of medical records collected by the institute, only 2.9% of the deaths registered since the end of February 2020 would be due to Covid 19. So of the 130,468 deaths registered by official statistics at the time of preparation of the new report only 3,783 would be due to the power of the virus itself. Because all the other Italians who lost their lives had from one to five diseases which, according to the ISS, therefore already left them little hope. Even 67,7% would have had more than three contemporary diseases together, and 18% at least two together. Now I personally know many people, but none who have the misfortune of having five serious illnesses at the same time. I would like to trust our scientists, then I go to read the ailments listed which would be no secondary reason for the loss of so many Italians and I begin to feed some profane doubts. According to the ISS, 65.8% of Italians who are no longer there after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension, that is, they had high blood pressure. 23.5% were also demented, 29.3% added some diabetes to their ailments, 24.8% also atrial fibrillation. And that's not enough: 17.4% already had sick lungs, 16.3% had had cancer in the last 5 years; 15.7% suffered from heart failure,28% had ischemic heart disease, 24.8% suffered from atrial fibrillation, more than one in ten were also obese, more than one in ten had had a stroke, and still others, albeit in a smaller percentage, had serious problems liver, dialysis and auto-immune diseases

bilbobaggins · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2021, 10:36:28 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 22, 2021, 09:41:41 AM

Lies, lies, it's all lies.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/10/22/is-italy-looking-for-an-exit-from-the-coronascam-italian-department-of-health-revises-all-time-covid-deaths-down-from-130000-to-3783/

I am glad i have waited to get a shot, the more I her the less likely i am to get one.

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