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Offline SeanJohnson

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How did we get so soft?
« on: October 18, 2021, 06:49:49 AM »
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  • Until 2019, for my entire working life, it was a sigh of toughness and dedication to show up to work sick. Anyone who would stay home from the sniffles, common cold, or simple flu (without nausea) was thought to be a snowflake, and viewed with passive contempt and resentment.

    You got talked about if people didn’t think you were sick enough to justify staying home.

    Now it’s all upside down, with muscular millennials (and even boomers and Gen xers) wetting their pants that they might have breathed the air of someone who MIGHT be sick, or hearing they were “exposed” to some asymptomatic COVID19 positive person.

    How did we get so soft (and if we are this soft, what hope of fighting our way out is there)?

    I have some thoughts on it, but no time right now.  Curious to hear yours.
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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2021, 07:32:52 AM »
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  • They've been trying to get rid of masculinity for years. 

    It's all part of that I think.

    They want manly men gone and for us all to sit in a circle talking about our feelings 


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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #2 on: October 18, 2021, 07:39:57 AM »
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  • 2019 is actually a pretty accurate timeline. I've been a supervisor where I work since 2018, and that was about the time that we started getting sick calls all of the time in our department. I was literally just talking about this Friday with my boss.

    Come 2021, in August we had over 1,000 hours of sick leave out of 80 people. With only about 250 hours of overtime, so around 7-750 hours of work LOST because of people calling in sick.

    I get that people do get sick. But, come on. It never used to be this bad in my department. Ever since we hired on a bunch of Gen Z and millennials the rate of sick leave skyrocketed. And it's not like these kids have families to look after. Most of them don't.

    Not to mention that most of them are so damn soft that they will run to HR if you even are remotely stern with them. Snowflakes. Snowflakes, all of them.

    Edit: Now the thing that gets contempt and derision among staff is if you use a lot of "FMLA". So, it's like the bar has been raised. I just fired someone not long ago who was abusing leave on false pretenses. I'm sure there are others abusing it too, which sucks because it's not meant for that.
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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2021, 11:33:34 AM »
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  • Now it’s all upside down, with muscular millennials (and even boomers and Gen xers) wetting their pants that they might have breathed the air of someone who MIGHT be sick, or hearing they were “exposed” to some asymptomatic COVID19 positive person.

    How did we get so soft (and if we are this soft, what hope of fighting our way out is there)?

    I don't think it's good to be so sensitive you're afraid of aysmptomatic boogeymen, or "breathing air" from someone who has the sniffles.

    But on the other hand, if you're really sick, out of CHARITY you should stay home. No one else wants your illness, I'm sure. When I hear someone coughing his head off at the store, it does make me nervous, yes. No one wants to get sick.

    As for coming to work/church while obviously sick -- I think it's a bit inconsiderate and selfish. You're spreading your illness to others. Not just young, strapping, healthy men who need to keep their immune system strong, but 80 and 90 year olds who want to attend Mass on Sunday as the highlight of their week -- and they aren't exactly suicidal. But the disease you're giving away like Oprah giving away cars COULD BE the disease that carries them off this earth. Again, not very considerate to say the least. A bit uncharitable.

    God understands if you can't attend Mass because you're sick. As for work, if your company doesn't offer sick days (or enough sick days) then you really need to find a better place of employment that isn't an actual sweatshop staffed by slaves.

    By the way, when I speak of illness, I'm not speaking of the common cold, being "walking sick". Diarrhea for example -- as long as work offers you adequate bathroom privileges, you should be fine. Unless you're really disgusting, you're not going to spread diarrhea to others. But if you have a fever, are producing sputum when you cough, are coughing a lot, feel nauseous/vomiting, etc. then you really need to stay home.

    By the way I have always advocated this. If you're sick, stay home. The two biggest problems I have with COVID is A) the false PCR tests, and B) the whole myth of asymptomatic spreaders. As mentioned by that doctor in the last Eleison Comments. There are other major problems too (killing patients with lack of care, ventilators, putting them on their backs, not making them move around), propaganda, denying effective treatments/cures that exist, the vaccine agenda, the destroy-the-economy agenda, etc.
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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2021, 12:46:31 PM »
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  • 2019 is actually a pretty accurate timeline. I've been a supervisor where I work since 2018, and that was about the time that we started getting sick calls all of the time in our department. I was literally just talking about this Friday with my boss.

    Come 2021, in August we had over 1,000 hours of sick leave out of 80 people. With only about 250 hours of overtime, so around 7-750 hours of work LOST because of people calling in sick.

    I get that people do get sick. But, come on. It never used to be this bad in my department. Ever since we hired on a bunch of Gen Z and millennials the rate of sick leave skyrocketed. And it's not like these kids have families to look after. Most of them don't.

    Not to mention that most of them are so damn soft that they will run to HR if you even are remotely stern with them. Snowflakes. Snowflakes, all of them.

    Edit: Now the thing that gets contempt and derision among staff is if you use a lot of "FMLA". So, it's like the bar has been raised. I just fired someone not long ago who was abusing leave on false pretenses. I'm sure there are others abusing it too, which sucks because it's not meant for that.
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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2021, 04:33:21 PM »
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  • I wonder if one of the reasons why people are so soft these days (and it's a problem for women too), is that we spend more time being entertained than we used to do, as compared to several generations back. Too much TV, radio, cell phones, and shopping. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2021, 05:05:49 PM »
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  • I wonder if one of the reasons why people are so soft these days (and it's a problem for women too), is that we spend more time being entertained than we used to do, as compared to several generations back. Too much TV, radio, cell phones, and shopping.
    That most certainly is the problem. Just look at the Boomer generation, most of them have lived, cushy comfortable lives and are some of the most liberal people around. Couple that with the generations who followed being raised with the same liberal, cushy principles and it's no wonder people are soft these days.

    My wife thinks I'm too strict with the kids, but, they are going to have some seriously difficult lives ahead of them. And most people don't see it.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 05:50:47 PM »
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  • That most certainly is the problem. Just look at the Boomer generation, most of them have lived, cushy comfortable lives and are some of the most liberal people around. Couple that with the generations who followed being raised with the same liberal, cushy principles and it's no wonder people are soft these days.

    My wife thinks I'm too strict with the kids, but, they are going to have some seriously difficult lives ahead of them. And most people don't see it.

    Yes, liberal cushy principles are a big problem. Not that entertainment is a bad thing in itself, but our society expects huge doses of it on a regular basis. It's good to be strict with children, as long as they know that you love them. I agree that life is going to get more difficult. 

    I was talking with a co-worker recently, and she mentioned basically what Sean said in the OP. Not only do people call in sick all of the time, but they have difficulty focusing on the work they are supposed to do. Very little integrity, and there's not that desire to want to do things right and proper, especially with the younger folks, but not only them.
    But we have to forgive them too, since they weren't given the proper guidance that they should have had. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 06:09:24 PM »
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  • Back when I was in school, if we had to stay home every time we had a minor case of the sniffles, half the class would be out for weeks at a time every Winter. No idea how kids these days are learning anything.

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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2021, 06:17:42 PM »
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  • Communist Feminism emasculated men and men let it happen.
    ( Also phyto-estrogens in all of the plastics and foods and water flouridation has made us soft and passive)

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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2021, 06:51:16 PM »
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  • How did we get so soft (and if we are this soft
    Speak for yourself, I am still eating light bulbs and slapping bulls for fun. 
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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2021, 07:05:14 PM »
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  • Speak for yourself, I am still eating light bulbs and slapping bulls for fun.
    I just ate a bowl of nails for breakfast this morning

    Without any milk.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2021, 07:34:02 PM »
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  • I just ate a bowl of nails for breakfast this morning

    Without any milk.
    Privileged! All I had was rusty screws with water, except there wasn't any water so I had to suck up and pretend.;)

    But I did have to my cuticles today. You never know when company is coming so you have to always be sharp.:laugh1:
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    Re: How did we get so soft?
    « Reply #13 on: October 18, 2021, 07:37:59 PM »
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  • But on the other hand, if you're really sick, out of CHARITY you should stay home. No one else wants your illness, I'm sure. When I hear someone coughing his head off at the store, it does make me nervous, yes. No one wants to get sick.

    THIS^^^.  I have a relative who boasted of how his kids were sick and toughed it out at school (a Traditional Catholic school) after taking some Advil.  Well, the entire class came down with the illness, and then brought it home to all their families.  This thing rifled through the school and school families.  How many Masses and days of school and days of work were missed just so this guy could boast of his kids being "tough".