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Offline SeanJohnson

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Catholic Priest Organizes Armed Security Force
« on: September 22, 2020, 09:51:36 PM »
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    • Catholic Priest organizes firearms training to strengthen Church security

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    Justin Haggerty | The Daily Knight




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    SOUTH BEND, INDIANA — The National Catholic Reporter first posted the story about the pastor who invited 12 men to undertake arms training to protect St. Stanislaus Church, in light of a drastic increase of vandalism and violence against Catholic Churches, statues, and shrines in the United States in 2020.
     
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    On September 1st, Msgr. John Fritz, the pastor of St. Stanislaus, Bishop and Martyr, invited parishioners to volunteer for firearms training after a parish picnic at the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge, on September 13th.
     
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    The training was organized by a police officer, who is a parishioner of St. Stanislaus.
     
    "We have spots for about 12 men who have no (or little) experience in shooting," Msgr. Fritz wrote in an email to parishioners. "There will be a briefing on safety rules and training/practice to go from low ready to fire position, reload, fire again and return to safe."
     
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    "We would like any man who wants to be included in the physical defense of the parish to be present to discuss and go over tactics for possible situations at St. Stanislaus that would require the use of firearms," Fritz wrote.
     
    St. Stanislaus is an Apostolate of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) and only provides the Extraordinary Form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, also known as the Tridentine Mass or Traditional Latin Mass. Msgr. Fritz is also a member of the FSSP.
     
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    The Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend offered a written statement to the National Catholic Reporter about the firearms training and the possibility of parishioners expressing their right to carry:
     
    "St. Stanislaus parish in South Bend is in the early stages of exploring security needs for the parish, taking into account the prospect that certain situations could include the need for defensive use of firearms. Discussions of this nature are not uncommon in church communities across the country. A law enforcement officer at the parish is offering safety training for parishioners who may legally carry firearms; they are not being trained to provide the armed security of the parish."
     
    The statement also expressed that while Indiana law allows for legal possession of firearms in churches, "Bishop Rhoades expressed his preference that public or professional security personnel provide for public safety on church property if needed, rather than parishioners carrying firearms in churches."
     
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    Re: Catholic Priest Organizes Armed Security Force
    « Reply #1 on: September 22, 2020, 09:55:36 PM »
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    • "We would like any man who wants to be included in the physical defense of the parish to be present to discuss and go over tactics for possible situations at St. Stanislaus that would require the use of firearms," Fritz wrote.

    At my SSPX chapel, I have spoken with a couple laymen about this, and they are interested, but no support from the previous pastor; not sure about the current one (but seeing as it would not be politically correct, and therefore could make the SSPX stand out from the conciliar parishes, I doubt there would be any interest there either.  We can always have another fund drive to build another church instead)....presuming the secular authorities or diocesan bishops don't mind, that is.
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    Re: Catholic Priest Organizes Armed Security Force
    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2020, 10:52:46 PM »
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    • There's a nice, big outdoor range in northern Indiana, can't be too far from South Bend. I forget the name, but they have a gunsmith too.
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    Re: Catholic Priest Organizes Armed Security Force
    « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2020, 01:52:03 PM »
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    • Let's don't forget what happened in the FSSP in the Dioceses of Phoenix.  That Indult 3-4 years ago "had" Fr. Kenneth Walker and Fr. Terra.  Fr. Walker shot dead and Fr. Terra should have been dead as well, beaten so badly.  He is no longer here. His brain could not function to well.

    Read the story.  Happened when no parishioners were around.  Evening.  In the story, no mention of how many bullets Fr. Walker had.  A one person man off the street was said to have done it. Gun used was not of this man, but supposedly of the church.

    Fr. Walker's body was sent home to mom.  Mom had an autopsy done.  He was shot 11 times. June of 2016? maybe 2017, I would have to check. 

    IMO this one homeless man off the street is not the killer.  How many times can you use what maybe a loaded gun?  Would you not have to know where more bullets are to make 11?  Then to beat up on Fr. Terra to the point of almost death.

    IMO and I mean my opinion an inside job?  How do I know Fr. Walker took 11 shots.  He was the nephew to Kathleen Plumb, editor of the 4 Marks.  She was given this info from her sister.
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    Re: Catholic Priest Organizes Armed Security Force
    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2020, 07:42:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on September 23, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
    Let's don't forget what happened in the FSSP in the Dioceses of Phoenix.  That Indult 3-4 years ago "had" Fr. Kenneth Walker and Fr. Terra.  Fr. Walker shot dead and Fr. Terra should have been dead as well, beaten so badly.  He is no longer here. His brain could not function to well.

    Read the story.  Happened when no parishioners were around.  Evening.  In the story, no mention of how many bullets Fr. Walker had.  A one person man off the street was said to have done it. Gun used was not of this man, but supposedly of the church.

    Fr. Walker's body was sent home to mom.  Mom had an autopsy done.  He was shot 11 times. June of 2016? maybe 2017, I would have to check.

    IMO this one homeless man off the street is not the killer.  How many times can you use what maybe a loaded gun?  Would you not have to know where more bullets are to make 11?  Then to beat up on Fr. Terra to the point of almost death.

    IMO and I mean my opinion an inside job?  How do I know Fr. Walker took 11 shots.  He was the nephew to Kathleen Plumb, editor of the 4 Marks.  She was given this info from her sister.
    WOW! New angle indeed. Thank you.
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    Re: Catholic Priest Organizes Armed Security Force
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2020, 08:30:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on September 23, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
    Let's don't forget what happened in the FSSP in the Dioceses of Phoenix.  That Indult 3-4 years ago "had" Fr. Kenneth Walker and Fr. Terra.  Fr. Walker shot dead and Fr. Terra should have been dead as well, beaten so badly.  He is no longer here. His brain could not function to well.

    Read the story.  Happened when no parishioners were around.  Evening.  In the story, no mention of how many bullets Fr. Walker had.  A one person man off the street was said to have done it. Gun used was not of this man, but supposedly of the church.

    Fr. Walker's body was sent home to mom.  Mom had an autopsy done.  He was shot 11 times. June of 2016? maybe 2017, I would have to check.

    IMO this one homeless man off the street is not the killer.  How many times can you use what maybe a loaded gun?  Would you not have to know where more bullets are to make 11?  Then to beat up on Fr. Terra to the point of almost death.

    IMO and I mean my opinion an inside job?  How do I know Fr. Walker took 11 shots.  He was the nephew to Kathleen Plumb, editor of the 4 Marks.  She was given this info from her sister.
    I think the story is believable. The killer was a violent criminal who had been in prison for a brutal murder and had been released. He was certainly capable of perpetrating what happened in that rectory. As far as the gun capacity, most full-sized handguns typically hold from 15-20 rounds, so firing someone 11 times without reloading is not a problem.
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