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« on: February 27, 2012, 05:06:48 AM »
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  • I'm reading a book called Extra Virginity, which is a history of olive oil. The snippets below concern olive oil
    and the Church. Anybody see anything false here?

    I've never heard that Christ's foreskin and umbilical cord were relics.


    Here's some snippets:

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    COOKBOOKS, LIKE HISTORIES, are written by the victors. When
    the Germanic tribes of northern and eastern Europe overran the Roman
    Empire in the fourth and fifth centuries, they revolutionized its culinary
    fashions and brought the revenge of animal fat on imperial oil. These
    woodland hunters and pastoralists, who dressed in skins and furs instead of
    linen togas and silken tunics, introduced a Germanic nouvelle cuisine based
    not on the Greco-Roman triad of bread, wine, and olive oil but on meat,
    beer, and animal fat. The tastes of the new masters of empire soon caught
    on. Pork was included together with oil in the annona, the distribution of
    free food made to Roman citizens living in the capital. Forests came to be
    measured not in hectares but in hogs—the space that a pig grazed in a day.
    On illustrated calendars, December scenes of the olive harvest familiar to
    the Greeks and Romans gave way to pigs battening on woodland acorns,
    and the hog slaughter. Classical authors, who had formerly described the
    barbarian predilection for animal fat with bewilderment or disgust, now
    celebrated it: Anthimus, a learned philosopher and physician at the court of
    Theodoric the Great, king of the Ostrogoths, described the wondrous
    qualities of lard, which he said the northlanders used as a dressing for
    vegetables and every other sort of food, and even ate raw as a kind of cureall:
    “For them it is such a remedy that they have no need for other
    medicines.”

    In the sea of barbarian beer, butter, and lard that washed over the
    ancient empire, Christian monasteries and cathedrals formed isolated
    islands of old-fashioned oil expertise. Olive oil remained a vital ingredient
    in the worship, economy, health, and daily diet of the Christian
    clergy, and through them, in the lives of the faithful. To make their holy
    oils and light their churches, monks and priests needed steady supplies of
    olive oil. To this end, church councils decreed the protection of olive
    groves, sometimes prohibiting the cutting of even a single tree. Olive oil
    was often used as an alternative currency, and commanded a premium
    price: in high medieval contracts, three to five liters of oil had the same
    value as a fat hog. Monk-agronomists tended the olive groves and made oil
    on their communal lands according to the advice of Cato, Columella, and
    other classical authorities, whose tracts they could consult in their monastic
    libraries. As the Germanic tribes converted to Christianity, their national
    diets entered into tension with the dictates of the Church, especially during
    fast days, when Christians were forbidden to eat meat and animal fat. For
    100 to 150 days each year—Fridays, the forty days of Lent, and a range of
    other holidays and vigils that were determined by local custom—good
    Christians used olive oil instead of suet or lard to cook and season their
    food.

    Making olive oil required some old-time Greco-Roman skill, which
    the barbarians often lacked. In his Dialogues, Gregory the Great tells a
    story from the life of Sanctulus of Norcia, a sixth-century priest who lived
    in what is now Umbria shortly after the area was conquered by Lombard
    war bands. Sanctulus arrived at an olive mill one day and asked its pagan
    Lombard owners to fill his oilskin. These rough men, who had struggled all
    day at their press without obtaining so much as a drop of oil, thought
    Sanctulus was mocking them and cursed him loudly. The imperturbable
    saint merely smiled and said cheerfully, “Is this how you pray for me?
    Come, fill my skin and I will leave you.” As the Lombards renewed their
    insults, Sanctulus glanced at the press and saw that no oil was coming out.
    He asked for a bucket of water, blessed it, and then, with all eyes on him,
    threw it over the press. “And such an abundance of oil ran forth,” the
    hagiographer concludes, “that the Lombards, who before had long labored
    in vain, now had enough oil to fill not only their own vessels, but also his
    skin. Their hearts were filled with gratitude, because the holy man, who
    had come to them begging for oil, was now,through his blessings, supplying
    in great abundance that which he himself had come to find.”

    Sanctulus’s help was probably more technical than celestial:
    experienced millers commonly threw hot water on their presses to increase
    yields, especially during the second pressing, when they coaxed a few last
    drops of oil from the nearly spent pomace. (The expressions “first pressed”
    and “cold pressed” once distinguished high-quality oil extracted from fresh
    olives from oil made with the overheated dregs. Nowadays these terms are
    largely obsolete, because all true extra virgin oil is made from fresh olives
    milled at low temperatures, and most of it isn’t pressed at all, but
    centrifuged.)

    Olive oil was also an essential fuel in churches, burning in lamps at
    altars and saintly shrines. Some large churches consumed huge quantities:
    in the Lateran basilica during the fifth century, 8,730 oil lamps burned
    around the clock, all year long. Olive oil was preferred to other fuels
    because it was long-lasting, gave off a clear, brilliant light, and was
    odorless—the pork fat customarily burned in the lanterns at the ninthcentury
    abbey of Fulda smelled so foul that its studious abbot Rabanus
    Maurus, who certainly burned much midnight fat himself, begged the
    Carolingian king Louis the Pious for an olive grove in Italy, to light his
    church in a more seemly and fragrant way. No doubt agreeing with
    Rabanus, well-to-do worshippers throughout Europe willed money gifts or
    supplies of oil to churches, to fuel lamps that would burn perpetually for
    the salvation of their souls. Sailors and traders who arrived in the port of
    Venice, following an ancient tradition, left money or oil to fuel the altar
    lamps of the Basilica of San Marco. Elsewhere the faithful bequeathed
    olive trees or entire groves to a church, to supply oil for its lamps. When a
    group of knights rode through Puglia in 1147 on their way to the Holy Land
    during the Second Crusade, they stopped at the Bari cathedral to pay their
    respects to Saint Nicholas, patron saint of the city, to whom they deeded
    the oil of forty olive trees in perpetuity, on the condition that a lamp with
    their oil be kept burning continuously until their safe return. Such bequests
    often stipulated that the gift be void if oil were used that had not come
    from the deeded groves—evidence of a brisk trade in ersatz lamp oil, perhaps
    cut with liquefied pork fat.

    While in the Bari cathedral, the knights no doubt collected some oil as
    well, to preserve them during their upcoming ordeal in the Holy Land. The
    bones of Saint Nicholas, which had been transferred there from Turkey
    sixty years earlier, were celebrated throughout Europe for the miraculous
    oil they exuded, said to cure countless diseases. Nicholas’s grave was one
    of many sites in Europe and the Middle East where the relics of a saint
    gave off a holy oil, as sweet-smelling as the flowers of Paradise, which
    might spring up like a holy gusher at the anniversary of the saint’s death.
    Even the oil that burned in the lamps beside saintly shrines frequently had
    sacred power. Perhaps because of olive oil’s well-known tendency to
    absorb tastes and fragrances, as well as its time-honored associations with
    divinity, lamp oil was believed to soak up the sanctity of the shrines where
    it burned, becoming the essence of holiness. Medieval pilgrims eagerly
    collected this substance, known as “the oil of the saints” or “the oil of
    prayer,” at holy places across the Christian world, and brought it home in
    small bottles of silver, lead, or terra-cotta known as ampullae, which are
    still found in the treasuries of many European churches, some containing
    traces of holy oil. This oil also made the ideal preservative for saintly
    relics; in eleventh century Rome, Christ’s foreskin and umbilical cord
    (which He evidently left behind when He ascended bodily to heaven) were
    reverently stored under oil in the pope’s private chapel. Saintly lamp oil
    was held in such regard that some Monophysite heretics drank it during the
    Mass instead of communion wine.

    To this day, the bones of Saint Nicholas are still believed to exude a
    holy, healing oil, which the cathedral clergy collects each year in a solemn
    May ceremony. After the crypt in Bari was renovated in the 1990s,
    however, the quantity of liquid has dropped off sharply; today the priests
    only manage to sponge up a few precious glassfuls, which they dilute with
    several gallons of holy water and distribute to the faithful. Cutting
    Nicholas’s holy oil doesn’t seem to trouble the Catholic Church, which is
    less concerned about oil purity than in former times: Pope Paul VI ruled in
    1973 that vegetable oil could be used instead of olive oil in the
    sacramental anointing of the sick.

    Even in the Middle Ages, for all its holy resonance, olive oil remained
    a slippery substance, semantically and symbolically, and it was possible to
    have too much of a good thing. Because it had been widely used in Greco-
    Roman baths, gymnasia, amphitheaters, and temples, where it was a vital
    active ingredient in athletics, hedonism, flashy sɛҳuąƖity, and religious
    sacrifice, olive oil retained a whiff of paganism that Christians sometimes
    found offputting, even threatening. The Church attempted to coopt some of
    these symbolic valences, applying chrism and other holy oils to the bodies
    of the faithful at baptism, confirmation, exorcism, and extreme unction,
    which theologians were quick to point out made them athletes of Christ in
    the contest against sin and evil. However, uneasy memories remained
    trapped in olive oil, and the strict regulation of its use as a skin lotion in
    early monastic communities suggests its lasting heathen appeal. A monastic
    rule of the fifth century prescribes severe punishments for monks who
    cover themselves in oil after a bath, and enjoins, “Do not permit anyone to
    spread your body with oil, except in cases of grave illness.” Ascetics like
    Saint Anthony, the formidable desert hermit, demonstrated their superiority
    to paganism and the wiles of the flesh by renouncing a well-oiled body
    forever: Anthony ostentatiously refrained from applying any oil to his
    limbs, much to the amazement of his contemporaries.



    ........

    At any rate, the sacred role of olive oil in hagiography tracked the
    widespread popular use of olive oil to cure a range of maladies. Medieval
    pharmacists and apothecaries, following the advice of Hippocrates,
    prescribed olive oil against numerous ailments, from skin disease to
    digestive disorders to gynecological complaints, and used it as a base for
    numerous philters and unguents; medieval formularies mention oil-based
    extracts of scorpion, viper, stork, bat, fox, and other medicinal creatures.
    Some authorities prescribed a hot bath followed by a full-body rubdown
    with olive oil to cure kidney stones and seizures, and recommended
    submerging the lower half of the body in oil as an antidote against certain
    poisons. Olive oil, taken internally, was considered an effective cure for
    many ailments, including intestinal worms, snakebite, and even insanity,
    though one medical writer cautioned that oil not be given to people of a
    choleric disposition. Monastic cellarers believed olives and oil to be
    effective in reestablishing a proper balance among bodily humors, and
    sometimes prescribed olive oil to control violent impulses or sɛҳuąƖ urges,
    which were thought to result from an excess of hot and moist humors in the
    blood. Doctors and holy men alike used oil against leprosy, blindness,

    and demonic possession, wives fed it to their husbands to free them from
    the wiles and incantations of prostitutes. Occasionally, holy oil and oil of
    the saints could even resuscitate the dead.
    Yet olive oil was also employed in evil spells and incantations. The
    Church issued frequent bans against the use of consecrated holy oils by
    sorcerers and magicians; in the year 810, for example, the chapter of the
    cathedral of Tours ordered priests to guard the holy chrism vigilantly,
    because of the widespread belief that any criminal who managed to anoint
    himself with it could never be brought to trial. And there was a fine line
    between holy oil and snake oil. In the 430s, a monk appeared in Carthage
    carrying a martyr’s bone steeped in oil. Sick people and cripples that he
    dosed with the oil seemed to recover, at least as long as the monk was with
    them, but after he left they invariably relapsed. The citizens of Carthage
    eventually decided that his supposed cures were the result of demonic
    hallucinations rather than divine healing, and the monkish grifter skipped
    town.



    Offline Elizabeth

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    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 09:21:26 AM »
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  • No idea about the relics of Our Lord, but this is a fascinating subject if done well!


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    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 10:38:00 AM »
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    wives fed it to their husbands to free them from
    the wiles and incantations of prostitutes.


    Fascinating. This seems to equate witchcraft with prostitution. I know in the pagan world they had temple prostitutes where witchcraft and idolatry were practiced hand in glove with prostitution. I wonder if the practice continued secretly in Christian times.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 05:56:56 PM »
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  • Interesting article, aside from all that anti-Christian remarks and snide comments deriding "superstitious religious people" and "backwards gullible peasants."
     

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    Christ’s foreskin and umbilical cord
    (which He evidently left behind when He ascended bodily to heaven) were
    reverently stored under oil



    ... Its obvious the author is an idiot, because he has never taken the time to read any history on this matter, let alone think in a quiet room for a few seconds. #1 The Holy Prepuce was removed at the Presentation of Our Lord when He was a child. #2 Why would Jesus still have His umbilical cord attached when He rose to heaven, as a fully formed adult?





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    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 06:22:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: PartyIsOver221
    Interesting article, aside from all that anti-Christian remarks and snide comments deriding "superstitious religious people" and "backwards gullible peasants."
     

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    Christ’s foreskin and umbilical cord
    (which He evidently left behind when He ascended bodily to heaven) were
    reverently stored under oil



    ... Its obvious the author is an idiot, because he has never taken the time to read any history on this matter, let alone think in a quiet room for a few seconds. #1 The Holy Prepuce was removed at the Presentation of Our Lord when He was a child. #2 Why would Jesus still have His umbilical cord attached when He rose to heaven, as a fully formed adult?






    When he started on about Catholicism I said to myself, "Oh great here we go." I was prepared for the digs, but I think he was pretty mild, considering his pedigree.

    If there are relics of Jesus's flesh would it be sacrilegious to carry out DNA testing on them?



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    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 06:38:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Busillis
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    Interesting article, aside from all that anti-Christian remarks and snide comments deriding "superstitious religious people" and "backwards gullible peasants."
     

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    Christ’s foreskin and umbilical cord
    (which He evidently left behind when He ascended bodily to heaven) were
    reverently stored under oil



    ... Its obvious the author is an idiot, because he has never taken the time to read any history on this matter, let alone think in a quiet room for a few seconds. #1 The Holy Prepuce was removed at the Presentation of Our Lord when He was a child. #2 Why would Jesus still have His umbilical cord attached when He rose to heaven, as a fully formed adult?






    When he started on about Catholicism I said to myself, "Oh great here we go." I was prepared for the digs, but I think he was pretty mild, considering his pedigree.

    If there are relics of Jesus's flesh would it be sacrilegious to carry out DNA testing on them?



    I agree.. it was pretty mild compared to other deprecating pieces on relics and Catholic-related topics.

    Its not sacriligious to do DNA testing, I guess. Didn't they do that to the blood on the Shroud of Torin, and to miraculous hosts from the 17th century that turned in His Blood? It was found that Christ was type AB, and confirmed through all the samples found in these various relics. Yet that is no true DNA testing, but DNA typing. Not sure what good DNA testing would do, since we have no source DNA from His body to compare it with nor any intent to prove He existed bodily, which He confirmed did.

    Wow, I was rambling.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 06:53:20 PM »
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  • Well I've read that companies like 23and me can take your DNA and find out all sorts of things about you, like where you came from and diseases you're susceptible to.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 07:01:04 AM »
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  • There are NO relics of Christ's foreskin or umbilical cord.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 03:01:35 PM »
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  • Yeah it sounded suspect. How do you know?