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Help for soda lovers
« on: August 12, 2009, 05:27:05 PM »
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    What to do when you're a softie for soft drinks.

    WebMD Feature
    Reviewed by Brunilda Nazario, MD

    Catherine Gregorczyk says she's an addict -- a soda addict, that is.

    "It's hard going out with friends who are more health-conscious than I am and who drink water all the time when all I ever want is a Coke," says Gregorczyk.

    Gregorczyk says she even had "a bit of a panic attack" while in Europe one summer, because her beloved Coke is harder to find in some countries "and is way more expensive." She was happy to pay the extra price, though, for the "sugar boost" the soft drink gives her. But is Gregorczyk really addicted to sodas? Not in the clinical sense, says Elisabetta Politi, MPH, RD, CDE, nutrition manager of the Duke University Diet and Fitness Center.

    Liz Marr, MS, RD, agrees. "People have an affinity for certain foods, and they develop food habits, but that's not the same thing as an addiction," says Marr, a principal with Marr Barr Communications, a Colorado-based public relations firm specializing in nutrition and health issues.

    Still, soft drink lovers will testify that it can be awfully hard to give up the fizzy stuff. One reason is that when we consume something sweet, the taste triggers our brains to release chemicals called opioids -- which make us crave more pleasurable tastes, says Politi.

    So why would anyone want to swear off soft drinks? Experts say that, while soft drinks have few useful nutrients, it is among the many sources of excess calories contributing to the U.S. obesity epidemic. Several recent studies bear out the idea that drinking too many soft drinks can affect your health:

        * Research presented at an American Diabetes Association gathering showed that women who went from drinking less than one, non-diet soda a day to one or more daily sodas were nearly twice as likely to develop type 2 diabetes over a four-year period as women who drank less than one soft drink a day. (The women who drank more soda also gained more weight over the same period.)
        * A study published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism suggested that fructose, a sweetener found naturally in fruit juice and typically used in concentrated amounts in soft drinks, may induce a hormonal response in the body that promotes weight gain.
        * Soft drinks, especially light-colored drinks, and canned iced tea appear to "aggressively" erode teeth enamel in laboratory tests -- and it didn't matter whether they were diet drinks or regular ones, according to a study published in General Dentistry.

    All this is important because soft drinks are a significant part of the American diet. Of the $80-billion-a-year beverage industry in the U.S., about $64 billion is spent on carbonated soft drinks, says John Sicher, editor and publisher of Beverage Digest. Regular soda accounts for 72.6% of those sales; diet soda for 27.4%.

    Sales of diet soft drinks have been on the rise in the last few years, says Sicher. But growing even more quickly are bottled waters and sports drinks, he says, observing that consumers are looking for beverages that fit in with their health goals.
    No Need to Go Cold Turkey

    Soda is certainly not an ideal drink from a health standpoint -- it offers no nutritional value and can be high in sugar, sodium, and caffeine. But the good news, experts say, is that if you truly love it, there's no need to give it up completely.

    If you generally watch what you eat and are reasonably active, a soda or two a day isn't going to derail your efforts, says Tavis Piattoly, RD, director of performance enhancement at Ochsner Clinic's Elmwood Fitness Center in New Orleans.

    But if you regularly drink two, three, or more cans a day, the added sugar can pile on the pounds "unless, of course, the soft drinks are planned into an overall diet of moderation, variety, and of course, exercise," says Dee Sandquist, RD, manager of nutrition and diabetes at the Southwest Washington Medical Center in Vancouver, Wash.

    Keep in mind that when you're trying to adopt a healthier diet, it's not a good idea to completely deprive yourself of treats, Marr says.

    "A very Spartan diet without some of your favorite foods is not sustainable," she says. "I encourage people to figure out how to include their favorite foods into their diet."
    The Skinny on Diet Sodas

    If you're trying to cut calories but don't want to give up soda altogether, switching either to the new lower-calorie sodas or to diet sodas is a good option, says Sandquist.

    Extensive research has shown that the artificial sweeteners used in diet sodas are safe (except for people who have the metabolic disorder phenylketonuria or PKU, who should not consume aspartame).

    But even with diet drinks, it's not a good idea to overdo. Researchers suggests that artificial sweeteners might interfere with the body's natural ability to count calories based on a food's sweetness. This could make people who consume artificially sweetened items more likely to overindulge in other sweet foods and beverages, say the authors of the study, published in the International Journal of Obesity.

    What if you simply don't like the taste of diet drinks? Here are some suggestions from people who have made the switch:

        * Try different brands to see which you find most palatable.
        * Serve it ice-cold.
        * Try adding lemon or lime to spark up the flavor.
        * Take it slow: Start out by pouring a small amount of diet soda into your glass of regular soda, then gradually increase the proportion of diet soda until you get used to the taste.

    Beyond Soda

    Even better, try some non-soda alternatives. Water is the perfect no-calorie beverage, and you can dress it up by adding citrus slices or a sprig of mint. But when it just won't do, try:

        * 100% fruit juices (while not necessarily lower in calories than soda, these contain important nutrients, Marr says).
        * Nonfat milk, which will also give you a calcium boost.
        * Unsweetened tea. Try green tea (which also contains potentially cancer-preventing phytonutrients) or herbal tea.
        * Seltzer water with a splash of juice. Try orange, grapefruit, cranberry -- even mango or guava.
        * Homemade lemonade -- made with lemon, water, and a small amount of sugar or artificial sweetener.
        * Coffee, black or with skim milk and artificial sweetener. Try it iced in hot weather.

    Making Better Choices

    More important than eliminating soda, nutritionists say, is adding more nutritional choices to your diet.

    "Soft drinks are bad for the diet only when they replace foods that contain beneficial nutrients," says Sandquist, who is also a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association.

    And if you can't kick your "addiction," don't beat yourself up. Gregorczyk, for example, says she's striving for moderation, not perfection.

    "I will never be able to go cold turkey," she says. "The most I've tried to force myself to do is cut back, so, for example, I'm currently trying to have no more than two Cokes a day.

    "Eventually I would like to get down to one Coke a day, but I'm not sure how easy that will be. As long as I limit myself right now, I tell myself that I am heading a step in the right direction."
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    Offline lthngsbrtnbtfl

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    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 04:06:36 PM »
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  • Y'know, it's very easy to be dismissive of a habit as seemingly innocuous as food--or drink--because we don't often associate morality with eating.

    When we consider the great merits of fasting and continence, however, we begin to see that it is often more spiritually important than we realize.

    For example, if we substituted "martini" for soda in the above article, would you be as casually dismissive of such a habit?  What about "crystal meth"?  Or "internet pornography"?

    The simple truth is this: anytime we find ourselves unable to avoid indulging in something, we must ask ourselves why. Gluttony is a serious enough sin to be considered one of the seven deadliest!  

    Many, many people will insist that their inability to avoid certain foods is relatively harmless and completely unrelated to gluttony.  But the true test is whether you can manage to avoid it for any appreciable amount of time (meaning more than just one day!) without it being inordinately and psychologically difficult.  If it is, you know you have a problem.

    Again, go back to the other examples I gave.  It's one thing to have a glass of wine or a cocktail on special occasions.  It's quite another to have a great deal of difficulty not having wine everyday.

    Likewise, the problem becomes much clearer when applied to non-food items, like alcohol or drugs.  We have no problem seeing these as unnecessary and dangerous habits.

    Most people are unable to see certain items like soda and other sweets as "non-food items" because they sure do seem like food.  But as this article mentions, they have zero nutritional value and way too much sugar to be entirely harmless.

    Can we truly consider a product that has zero nutritional value to be a food?

    No, we cannot.  Food is by definition a nutriment.

    So it is imperative in situations like this for someone who takes their faith seriously to ask themselves the question:  is this something I use on special occasions for harmless enjoyment, or is it something I can't imagine having to live without?

    If it's not food, and you can't imagine having to live without it, you should very seriously consider giving it up, and only allowing it back in as a special-occasion treat (if you can manage it without relapsing).

    Why?

    Because if you're not controlling it, it's controlling you.  And we know what the Bible says about having two masters.

    It is much easier to kick a habit like this when you have a bit of knowledge about exactly what happens in our bodies when we eat sweets.  Knowing the damage it causes makes you not really want that brownie that bad.

    It's interesting--such things were much more straightforward in biblical times because sugar didn't exist then--sweets were dates and honey, both of which are in fact foods.  (Remember the Baptist subsisting on locusts and honey?)

    Try living on chocolate covered locusts and corn syrup!  You'll be too sick to move, and dead in a week or so!

    I can't encourage those of faith strongly enough to do some reading about sugar and its effects on your body, and even your psychological well being.  The effects are well-docuмented but highly unpopular, for obvious reasons.

    Two excellent books on the subject are Sugar Blues and Potatoes not Prozac.  Internet searches can help too, there is an awful lot out there.  Google "Finding sweetness in a sugar-free life" for an interesting and informative account.

    God Bless.
    Thus saith the Lord to you: Fear ye not, and be not dismayed at this multitude: for the battle is not yours, but God's...It shall not be you that shall fight, but only stand with confidence, and you shall see the help of the Lord over you: ...fear ye n


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    « Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 06:13:24 PM »
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  • sugar is a nutrient.  It may not be good for you the way most people take it, but it is a nutrient.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 11:23:23 PM »
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  • Thus saith the Lord to you: Fear ye not, and be not dismayed at this multitude: for the battle is not yours, but God's...It shall not be you that shall fight, but only stand with confidence, and you shall see the help of the Lord over you: ...fear ye n

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    « Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 02:49:26 AM »
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  •   Why you people love soda? It tastes awfull... :barf:


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    « Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 03:48:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
     Why you people love soda? It tastes awfull... :barf:


    Word!  That stuff is shear poison!  :barf:

    Hey, I just switched from eating my oatmeal with brown sugar to eating it with mostly unrefined turbinado sugar, which is much like demerara sugar.  The sugar crystals are much bigger, and despite that I was already in excellent health (partly because this is the ONLY sugar I ever ate that didn't come from fruit).  It's only a bit more expensive, maybe 20%.

    The reason I mention this is because the brown sugar I was eating was refined, and I noticed that I was starting to feel kinda off after my usual bowl of oatmeal and brown sugar.

    Also of note is that eating it after a good workout, I could feel the sugar going into the muscular micro-trauma areas, and it kind of had a bit of a sting to it, albeit fairly mild.

    This unrefined turbinado sugar is marginally better.  No sting.  No feeling of ickiness.  I believe that my body has to work a bit harder to digest it, and therefore it is not an immediate sugar dump into my veins, which was starting to bother me, as mentioned above (maybe I'm getting old?).

    I recommend it to anybody who likes to eat sugar, but wants to be healthy at the same time.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 12, 2009, 04:01:31 AM »
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  •   Oh really?
    My country's use of sugar and salt is 2 and 1/5 times more than the standard. We salt almost every food.
    About sugar, ours is a white powder. We have it with our breakfast tea and other kinds of juices (sherbets). We also have sugar cube, we eat it with tea in the afternoon, evening and night.
      Now our scientist and doctors are telling us not to follow such an ancient custom. They were only successful in convincing mothers not to give "ghanab" to their babies. (ghandab is water mixed with sugar)

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    « Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 11:59:09 AM »
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     Why you people love soda? It tastes awfull... :barf:


    What?

    Have you ever tried Italian Orange Soda?


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    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 01:45:31 PM »
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  •   We have non-alcholic beer (made of wheat and other grains) here. And also a kind of soda, which an iranian factory once tried to make. Many people love that beer, but I can't tolerate even the smel of it!

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    « Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 04:54:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Martyr

    Hey, I just switched from eating my oatmeal with brown sugar to eating it with mostly unrefined turbinado sugar, which is much like demerara sugar.  The sugar crystals are much bigger, and despite that I was already in excellent health (partly because this is the ONLY sugar I ever ate that didn't come from fruit).  It's only a bit more expensive, maybe 20%.


    I'm really sorry to have to say this, but there's very, very little difference between turbinado sugar and brown sugar.  Both are essentially sugar with some molasses--just that one has bigger chunks.

    I too used to love brown sugar...I would recommend using raw honey (you have to be careful of regular supermarket honey--so much of it is cut with High Fructose Corn Syrup without listing it as such on the label...)  If you want, you can add a teensy-weensy touch of molasses to give it that brown-sugary flavor.  By doing this, you still have the sweetness, but both the honey and the molasses actually have some vitamins, minerals and enzymes (if you use raw honey).


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    ...which was starting to bother me, as mentioned above (maybe I'm getting old?).


    I don't know how old you are, but your body definitely loses its ability to cope with the effects of sugar as you age.  It's worse for those who have a family history of type II diabetes and those who are really sugar addicts (and you know who you are...). :sign-surrender:

    As for the idea of giving sugar water to babies...I'm trying not to shudder.  I can imagine if you were to grind sugar cane or beets into a paste or something and add it to water, yes...but white sugar.  Wow.
    Thus saith the Lord to you: Fear ye not, and be not dismayed at this multitude: for the battle is not yours, but God's...It shall not be you that shall fight, but only stand with confidence, and you shall see the help of the Lord over you: ...fear ye n

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  • The phosphorus in dark sodas is very bad for you.  People with kidney disease should especially be careful.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 08:29:13 PM »
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  • I love Coke, but I've put a stop to it (at least not daily).  I have a most painful kidney stone that may have developed with the help of this soft drink.

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  • The phosphorus in the pop also contributes to osteoporosis.

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  • Great thread! YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • I used to drink pop VERY frequently in my youth, then in my first adult years, cut way back. But recently I've made up my mind to give it up entirely, if I can possibly help it, over various health concerns. Among them is this one...

    I have VERY sensitive teeth. Basically, I think I've scrubbed a lot of the enamel off. This means I'm condemned to using special toothpaste (which will do who only knows what to my body over time) or else anything that touches my teeth is painful. Not just sweets. ANYTHING.

    Well, the way my toothpaste works, is to "build up protection" on my teeth, probably (my guess would be) by building some kind of coating on them. Problem: one can of Coke can eat away ALL of the protection my toothpaste has provided, and it can take up to a few DAYS to be able to eat again without any pain.

    If this is how powerful the acid in Coke is, I am sure that it must be very bad for even normal teeth.

    I have decided that I probably won't touch another coke again if I can help it. From now on, it's coffee or tea or some other drink for me. I know these are acidic too, but for some reason they don't seem to do what coke does.

    ALSO... there is something in coffee (and I believe even in tea) that helps the body process sugar. Whereas pop just overloads your system WITH sugar. So you're actually getting some benefit by drinking coffee or tea rather than soda, and you control how much sugar goes into your cup. And herbal teas, I think, don't even have caffeine. (And of course, there's always decaf coffee.)
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi