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Offline poche

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« on: May 24, 2013, 02:22:55 AM »
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  • In the 1790s the Church had something to say about healthcare. They still do today.
     The head of a Vatican delegation to the World Health Assembly on Wednesday called for universal health care coverage and an “integral” approach to health care that responds to a person’s spiritual needs.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/health-care-includes-spiritual-needs-archbishop-tells-world-assembly/


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    « Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 02:26:51 AM »
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  • This is what Bishop Penlaver had to say in 1795,

    1795 Oct. 14

    Penalver y Cardenas, Luis Bishop
    (New Orleans)

    1) The Bishop notifies:
    a) That examining the parochial books, upon the occasion of the holy visit of his diocese, he notified sorrowfully the great number of adults that die without the sacraments of Penance, Eucharist, and Extreme Unction.
    b) That that is due to the non-observance of the physicians and surgeons of the canonical orders of the fourth Council of Lateran under Pope Innocent III, of the holy Bull issued by Pius V whose beginning is "Super Gregem Dominicuм" and of the instruction given by the Roman Council under the pontificate of Benedict XIII in 1725.
    c) That all of which orders them not only to call the attention of those they cure to prepare themselves to eternal life through the holy sacraments, btu also that they must refrain from continuing to help the sick if at the end of the third day of illness they have not been administered.
    d) That all those doctors who do not proceed so will be punished with a major excommunication.
    2) therefore the Bishop decrees that in order that all those who live amidst vice and lincentiousness may be saved by an efficient confession of their sins, this decree is to be made known to every physician and surgeon, thus reminding them of their responsibility and the strict account they must give on Judgement Day to Our Lord for the least failure in the fulfillment of their duties.
    3) That in the case of a known and proven neglect to carry out such orders, they will be punished properly for their disobedience. Signed by the Bishop of Louisiana and witnessed by Dr. Joseph Maria de rivas as secretary.
    --To this is added a note by Santiago Saldivar, (Notary Public) certifying that on Oct. 15, 1795, at New Orleans, he notified the following doctors: Jose Monteguin, Estevan Pelgim, Roberto Dow, Joaguin Ablanedo,Jose Lavie, Mr. Fortain, and Crusel de St. Martial of the above decree. That on Oct. 16, 1795 he notified Luis Guiovelnia of the above decree. That on Oct. 17, 1795 he notified Santiago Leduc of the above decree. IV-5-d D.S. 3pp. 4to. (Spanish)
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    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 03:06:36 PM »
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  • Poche,

    In a nutshell, doctors who didn't warn their patients to receive the sacraments, i.e., frequent confession, frequent communion and the last rites, were negligent in their own ministries and subject to excommunication?  Cool stuff!  

    Why aren't the novus ordites following this plan instead of advocating for atheistic government to obtain all control over medicine?


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    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 01:36:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Poche,

    In a nutshell, doctors who didn't warn their patients to receive the sacraments, i.e., frequent confession, frequent communion and the last rites, were negligent in their own ministries and subject to excommunication?  Cool stuff!  

    Why aren't the novus ordites following this plan instead of advocating for atheistic government to obtain all control over medicine?


    That would still be the case when someone has either an illness that places them in danger of death or that is terminal.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 09:00:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
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    Poche,

    In a nutshell, doctors who didn't warn their patients to receive the sacraments, i.e., frequent confession, frequent communion and the last rites, were negligent in their own ministries and subject to excommunication?  Cool stuff!  

    Why aren't the novus ordites following this plan instead of advocating for atheistic government to obtain all control over medicine?


    That would still be the case when someone has either an illness that places them in danger of death or that is terminal.


    This is part of general medical education. Doctors, regardless of their own religion, are supposed to provide (usually by delegation) appropriate spiritual welfare as appropriate for the patient. This is done poorly mainly due to lack of understanding, but it is taught widely (outside the Catholic sphere of influence) as part of treating the whole patient, including addressing spiritual needs. It's hard to excuse a Catholic doctor who knowingly fails to provide this to a Catholic patient, but I don't think this is frequent.