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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2023, 09:42:17 AM »
Not something to count on, but hospitals can and do reduce payments SIGNIFICANTLY, and many times just write them off since they get an enormous amount of government money to do just that, especially after COVID. I was  uninsured for 2 years and every procedure that I had at the hospital was reduced by at least forty% upon request and some were even completely forgiven without me even asking. The upcharge on insured patients is well over 100-200% mostly to cover for all the losses. Now with COViD money the losses are much less and frequently forgiven. I'm not saying don't get insured but if for some reason you are uninsured and in an emergent situation they usually will negotiate. With elective procedures they will negotiate up front for a substantial reduced cost.

Seem to be somewhat immoral, though, to deliberately go uninsured when you could afford it, since the costs are being passed along to those who are paying for insurance, who are therefore having to pay higher premiums as a result.  I'm not saying that was your situation, but I wouldn't advise going uninsured just to save money (hoping your debts will get written off or reduced), since you'd be passing the costs onto others, which is the equivalent of theft.

Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2023, 02:46:00 PM »
Avoid public insurance. It's a bureaucreatic mess that won't get any better. There's people who want this in the United States for everyone like the NHS in Britain and we're nowhere near ready for that. 

So enroll in private insurance. It's better. It's not perfect but better than the alternative.


Offline MaterDominici

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2023, 03:12:50 PM »
We've used Christian Healthcare Ministries for about 15 years now and are happy with it. The costs have increased lately, but so has the cost of literally everything, so it's to be expected.

If you're unfamiliar with health-sharing programs, you pay for your own low-level medical like a routine doctor visit and they share costs of major medical. How "major" it has to be depends on which level of participation you choose when you sign up.

Our kids have always qualified for CHIP or Medicaid, so we only use CHM for the adults.

Offline Matthew

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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2023, 05:08:57 PM »
Hello members of Cathinfo, I need some advice please. My wife and are looking for a private health insurance for our family, but are also considering remaining cash paying patients. We are both in our early 40's and have 3 kids under 5 yrs and rarely visit the doctor. We live in California and I am self employed with modest income. If you were in my situation, would you shop for and insurance or continue paying out of pocket when necessary? If having private insurance is better, are there insurance that are Catholic or does it matter? I would like to know your thoughts, I've notice almost all members are very knowledgeable on the forum. Thank you very much.

In theory, being "self insured" would work.

HOWEVER, the reality is that our salaries are priced in pennies, and medical procedures are priced in 10s of dollars.

Imagine a group of 3 dozen children with 30 pennies each, trading with each other for different things, buying and selling trinkets, beads, pinecones, cups of lemonade. Now imagine one of them wanted to sell enough pinecones or beads to buy a NEW CAR for $30,000. Would it be possible? no. The two economies are not on the same scale; one is orders of magnitude more than the other. One of those children could get ALL the other kids' pennies and STILL not be able to afford to buy a new car.

That's what healthcare is like. Normal people can save $50 here, $100 there, maybe even a few thousand here or there from the yearly IRS refund. But a single procedure can be $30,000, or $50,000, or even $500,000. All the frugality and hard work in the world isn't going to be enough for one major operation or extended hospital stay. It's screwed up, yes, but Healthcare is not on the same scale as the average person's income or savings. In short, it's impossible to self-insure. Unless your income is over $500,000 a year AND you can manage to save a huge chunk of that.

Hence, you NEED at least catastrophic or Major Medical insurance, to cover those potential astronomical hospital bills. And no one can know what lies in their future. We all have frail bodies post-Fall, and even if you're healthy in your 20's that might not continue into your 60's. Know what I mean?

How many people own their own home free-and-clear in their 20s? That's only $100K, or $200K. Heck, most people don't even own their cars outright, and cars can be had for $3K to $20K. How could they ever expect to pay astronomical hospital bills out-of-pocket, from their savings? Some operations, hospital stays, and treatments cost MUCH MORE than a house.

Offline Matthew

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2023, 05:17:07 PM »
PS I'm usually against insurance. To me it's like gambling. But for the reasons I listed above, I am forced to acknowledge reality and use some kind of health insurance.