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Does God Give us Humans the Right to Eat Unclean Animals?

Yes, God gives humans the right to eat unclean animals?
14 (87.5%)
No, God does not give us the right to eat unclean animals?
2 (12.5%)

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Author Topic: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.  (Read 1947 times)

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Offline Jaynek

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  • It's not that hard...  I knew nothing about it a few years ago, but it's easy to learn.  there are charts online of what cuts come from which area of a side of beef.  And a good local butcher will help you.
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    And if it's that overwhelming, get the cuts you use.  It's all $3 per lb in the end.  
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    Beef is beef.  Unless you are a beef connoisseur you will not be able to tell the difference between the breeds.
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    The only thing to be cautious of is age of the animal.  I learned the hard way.  Beef over 2.5 years old has pretty tough steaks.  Over 4 years old and even the roasts are tough.  You can get ground out of even a 25 year old cow, which is fine, as long as you are aware.
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    As for the meat by-products, I used to not take them.  Little by little I learned what to do with them so I now I have very little waste.
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    I also recommend:
    - the first time you use a butcher, tour his facility to make sure it is clean
    - the first time you buy from a rancher, go to the farm/ranch and see how his animals live
    - DO NOT BUY A BULL.  It will taste terrible.  A neutered bull (steer) is fine.
    - a chest or upright freezer
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    Any questions, I would be happy to answer.
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    Yes, it takes time in the beginning, but it is very worth it both for your body and for your pocketbook.
    I suggest starting a new thread devoted to this topic.  People might not see it here and this is important, useful information.  Others might have tips or questions.
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  • Are you aware that many packaged foods actually list roaches as an ingredient (by their latin or other name)?  
    I'm curious which foods you are referring to.  Any examples?  Not that we eat much pre-packaged food, but still...

    Really good practical suggestions, Fanny.  Especially about visiting the farm and seeing how the animals are raised.  Unfortunately, "free range" "cage free", or  "grass fed" animals aren't raised (or treated) much better than their sweat-shop counterparts. 

    We live in an ag area where many animals are raised industrially for meat.  The free-range, cage-free chickens?  Raised in the same enclosure regular hens are.  No windows.  There is a gate about 12 x 20 ft surrounding a grassy area, with a ramp leading down from a point high in the wall that no hen could access unless they're great jumpers!  It doesn't matter, because the door is always shut.  They are cage-free, though.  If that makes you feel any better.

    And then, once egg production is reached, and they're starting in their molt, they're gassed just like the regular hens and tossed out the door into the waiting semis, where they haul them all--whether dead or still partially alive--to a dog food plant. 

    Please don't even get me started on hogs, beef, and dairy!!! 

    So Fanny, good for you!  Great job for encouraging others, too.  I would add that it would be a great idea to be able to keep a few chickens for eggs.  There's lots of mini houses out there that would fit into someone's backyard, even if they live in town.   

     


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  • I would expect this sort of poll from a Seventh Day Adventist forum, not a Traditional Catholic forum.  :confused:
    I was thinking the same thing. 7th Dayers are the only Protty sect I can think of that follow Judaic dietary laws. 

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  • I follow Biblical dietary Catholic laws.
    Outside of the fast and abstinence laws of the Church, and the rules of some religious orders such as the Benedictines and Trappists, what in the world are "Biblical dietary Catholic laws"?

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  • I'm curious which foods you are referring to.  Any examples?  Not that we eat much pre-packaged food, but still...

    Really good practical suggestions, Fanny.  Especially about visiting the farm and seeing how the animals are raised.  Unfortunately, "free range" "cage free", or  "grass fed" animals aren't raised (or treated) much better than their sweat-shop counterparts.

    We live in an ag area where many animals are raised industrially for meat.  The free-range, cage-free chickens?  Raised in the same enclosure regular hens are.  No windows.  There is a gate about 12 x 20 ft surrounding a grassy area, with a ramp leading down from a point high in the wall that no hen could access unless they're great jumpers!  It doesn't matter, because the door is always shut.  They are cage-free, though.  If that makes you feel any better.

    And then, once egg production is reached, and they're starting in their molt, they're gassed just like the regular hens and tossed out the door into the waiting semis, where they haul them all--whether dead or still partially alive--to a dog food plant.

    Please don't even get me started on hogs, beef, and dairy!!!

    So Fanny, good for you!  Great job for encouraging others, too.  I would add that it would be a great idea to be able to keep a few chickens for eggs.  There's lots of mini houses out there that would fit into someone's backyard, even if they live in town.  

     
    I will get those examples for you.
    In the meantime, I wanted to say that I was referring to supporting the local small time rancher/farmer.  The homestead type people.
    I would never buy cattle from an industrial producing ranch.  That's what we're trying to get away from.  Yuk.
    Also, backyard chickens are EASY!!!  Chickens need food, water, and shelter from the rain.  Google "chicken tractors".  Super easy to make.  And most cities now allow backyard chickens, just no roosters.


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  • Read the Holy Bible and you will find out.
    Sure!
    "Et facta est vox ad eum: Surge, Petre: occide, et manduca. Ait autem Petrus: Absit Domine, quia numquam manducavi omne commune et immundum. Et vox iterum secundo ad eum: Quod Deus purificavit, tu commune ne dixeris."

    Actuum Apostolorum 10:13-15

    That was easy!

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  • God does not give humans the right to eat unclean animals.
    God does not give to laymen the right to private interpretation of Holy Scripture.

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  • I'm curious which foods you are referring to.  Any examples?  Not that we eat much pre-packaged food, but still...
    I can't find it now...  read about it years ago.
    I should have printed and kept a copy.
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    But you can see what levels of bugs are acceptable in packaged foods.  Pretty gross.
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html


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  • I'm not sure how to vote.   Portion size and quality counts too. 



      I just finished watching Forks over Knives. It was interesting.  

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  • I'm not sure how to vote.   Portion size and quality counts too.



      I just finished watching Forks over Knives. It was interesting.  
    Vote yes. I say this because I know by all your postings that you are Catholic.

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  • God makes it very clear in the Bible that we are not supposed to eat unclean animals.
    Again...
    "Et facta est vox ad eum: Surge, Petre: occide, et manduca. Ait autem Petrus: Absit Domine, quia numquam manducavi omne commune et immundum. Et vox iterum secundo ad eum: Quod Deus purificavit, tu commune ne dixeris."

    Actuum Apostolorum 10:13-15

    Are you saying St. Peter was delusional?  Or that these verses are not in Sacred Scripture?



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  • Argument using a king James bible?
    I'm out.  TiE, you have no business on a traditional Catholic board.

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  • Argument using a king James bible?
    I'm out.  TiE, you have no business on a traditional Catholic board.
    It is obvious that he is basing his ideas on Protestant rather than Catholic sources.  And even most Protestants know better.  No educated Catholic would ever make these sorts of claims.  It isn't even controversial that there is no obligation to follow Jewish dietary laws.  It has been part of Church teaching going back to New Testament times.
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  • Vote yes. I say this because I know by all your postings that you are Catholic.
    Exactly.  There is only one poll response open to Catholics.  The other is a heretical position.  It is shocking that anybody voted for it.
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  • Nowhere in the Holy Bible does God give any person the right to eat unclean animals.  Do you want a list of animals in the Bible which are considered by God to be unclean?
    Do you also teach that Catholics must be circumcised?  Should we keep the Sabbath on Saturday?

    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

     

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