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Does God Give us Humans the Right to Eat Unclean Animals?

Yes, God gives humans the right to eat unclean animals?
17 (89.5%)
No, God does not give us the right to eat unclean animals?
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Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2018, 10:13:27 AM »
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    • Council of Trent Session 4


    Furthermore, in order to restrain petulant spirits, It decrees, that no one, relying on his own skill, shall,--in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, --wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church,--whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures,--hath held and doth hold; or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers; even though such interpretations were never (intended) to be at any time published. Contraveners shall be made known by their Ordinaries, and be punished with the penalties by law established.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #46 on: May 24, 2018, 10:32:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 10:19:36 AM

    This video is produced by a group called Good Purpose Ministries.  It is a heretical sect.  It obviously adopts the sola scriptura heresy.  Also, this video links to another by the same group explaining why Christians must keep the Sabbath on Saturday.  They are judaizers.  There is no doubt.

    I ask again, do you believe that we must keep the Sabbath on Saturday?  Just how far have you gone into this heresy? 
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #47 on: May 24, 2018, 10:38:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 10:17:52 AM

    I've got new for you...
    Goat and sheep do the same things, eating urine.
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    As for the worms in the meat, freeze it and it won't bother you at all.  There are maggots in LOTS of foods you eat.
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    As for the treatment of pigs, I agree completely.  Support your local small farmer/rancher and buy from them.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #48 on: May 24, 2018, 10:43:43 AM »
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #49 on: May 24, 2018, 10:49:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 10:27:07 AM

    This video is so stupid.  It doesn't know what it's talking about...
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    ALL meat is bad for you if you don't cook it thoroughly.
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    ALL live domesticated animals are gross to humans. 
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    ALL animals will eat whatever they can if they are starving, including feces.
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    Many male animals that I have seen drink the urine from a female (pig, goat, sheep, cow).  It seems to be part of the mating process.
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    The processing of ALL animals turns our stomachs because we live in a cellophane world that doesn't understand where our meat comes from.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #50 on: May 24, 2018, 10:51:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on May 24, 2018, 10:43:43 AM
    Protestant 100%

    Well, yes, he is protestant. But does he say anything specific that goes against actual Catholic Church teaching? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #51 on: May 24, 2018, 11:11:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 10:37:28 AM
    They are right that we are not supposed to eat unclean meat.
    The exact same heretical assumptions that lead them to say we must keep the Sabbath on Saturday lead them to say we should not eat unclean meat.  They (and you) do not understand how to correctly interpret the Old Testament.

    If you accept what they say about meat, then you have no reason to reject their other judaizing errors.  
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #52 on: May 24, 2018, 11:17:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 10:27:07 AM


    I could only stand to watch the first two minutes of the video. Evidently, there's one third world village that uses pig as a sewage disposal system. The pigs are used to eat human feces left in the open around the village. That's just so disgusting. I can see now why God mandated not to eat swine.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #53 on: May 24, 2018, 11:29:51 AM »
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    • The use of "clean" and "unclean" in the Old Testament has nothing to do with health or hygiene.  It means ritually clean and unclean.  It is about Jєωιѕн religious practices that were abolished and do not apply to Christians.  

    If there actually were evidence that pigs are not healthy to eat (which sensationalized videos are not) it would have nothing to do with theological significance of Jєωιѕн rituals and the fact they are not binding on Christians.

    I eat bacon (from quality sources) and am grateful, both because it is delicious and because it is a symbol of how Christ makes us free from the Law.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #54 on: May 24, 2018, 11:38:10 AM »
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    • King Henry VIII also put his private interpretation of scripture over that of the Church.  Truth is Eternal has left the Catholic Church and is evangelizing for his new sect.  

    Of course, perhaps he will ask his priest about this on Sunday and will be corrected.  But, somehow, I doubt it.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #55 on: May 24, 2018, 11:39:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on May 24, 2018, 11:29:51 AM

    I eat bacon (from quality sources) and am grateful, both because it is delicious and because it is a symbol of how Christ makes us free from the Law.

    In St. Matthew 5:17, Our Lord said:

    "Do not think I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill."
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #56 on: May 24, 2018, 11:40:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
    God is the one who revealed to us that we should not eat unclean meats.

    This is what Wikipedia says of the speaker in this video:
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    Walter Julius Veith (born 1949) is a South African zoologist and a Seventh-day Adventist author and speaker known for his work in nutrition, creationism and Biblical exegesis with the Amazing Discoveries media ministry and on their international television network
    You keep getting your information from heretics.  Can't you see this is a problem?

    It is not unusual for people to claim there is a scientific basis for their religious beliefs.  Probably the main reason that circuмcision is so common among non-Jews in North America is that a large proportion of doctors were Jєωιѕн and they claimed there were health benefits to the practice.  Just like this is a claim that we ought to be skeptical about, we should not blindly accept claims from a SDA that just happen to support his heresy.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #57 on: May 24, 2018, 11:53:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 24, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
    Over a decade ago, one of my aunts elderly neighbors died in his pig pen and it didn't take long before pigs started eating him. Pigs are very unclean.
    You are free to decide that pigs are not a healthy food source and to refrain from eating them.  (Some people, however, will disagree.)  You are not free to say that Jєωιѕн ritual laws from the Old Testament are binding on Catholics.  The latter is a heresy.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #58 on: May 24, 2018, 12:00:41 PM »
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    • This poll is ridiculous.

    Anyone who voted "no" needs to read Scripture, and study their Catholic Faith. We are not Jews following the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic law was COMPLETELY DONE AWAY WITH by Jesus Christ.

    Read Acts of the Apostles, chapter 10:
    [9] And on the next day, whilst they were going on their journey, and drawing nigh to the city, Peter went up to the higher parts of the house to pray, about the sixth hour. [10] And being hungry, he was desirous to taste somewhat. And as they were preparing, there came upon him an ecstasy of mind.
    [11] And he saw the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: [12]Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts, and creeping things of the earth, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat. [14]But Peter said: Far be it from me; for I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean. [15] And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common.

    The Ten Commandments are simply the Natural Law, but Jesus Christ gave us an even higher law and standard: "Love the Lord Thy God with thy Whole Mind, thy Whole Heart..." and "Love thy Neighbor as Thyself."

    Observe how Our Lord basically "upgraded" the Ten Commandments, which means they were technically done away with:

    [21] You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. [22] But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew chapter 5)

    The Ten Commandments might be a handy hat-rack for examinations of conscience, but any time we violate the Love of God or the Love of Neighbor in any way we are guilty of sin.

    In other words, Moses won't accuse us at our judgment. Our Lord, Who gave us the New Law, will judge us on how well we followed His law.

    Here is a Venn diagram to illustrate what I mean. Only the items in the blue circle (the New Law) are still binding on men/Catholics. Everything in the red circle is the Old Law, and all of it (unless it was implicitly part of the blue circle as well) has been completely abrogated by Jesus Christ. The red circle would also include various animal and other sacrifices, rituals done in the Temple, marrying your brother's wife if he dies, so you can raise up children that will be considered "his" -- pretty much EVERYTHING in the book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

    P.S. Saying that Catholics must observe the Old Law is heretical, and I want to point out two important points. 1. It is called "Judaizing", 2. It was the reason why St. Paul famously withstood St. Peter to the face -- because St. Peter, by his behavior, was making it seem like following the Old Law was still necessary.
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    Re: Grass fed Ruminants That Chew the Cud, but Divide Not the Hoof, are Clean.
    « Reply #59 on: May 24, 2018, 12:34:13 PM »
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    • I am locking this thread, because one of the rules of CathInfo is "In necessary things, unity." That is to say, on things decided on by the Church, dogmas, etc. there is NO ROOM FOR DISSENT OR DISCUSSION.

    1. Catholics are not protestants, who believe in PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of Scripture. "Truth is Eternal" says that the Mosaic prohibitions apply to those in the New Testament as well, but that is his private interpretation, IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Therefore he is in error, plain and simple. Material heresy at best.

    2. There is already a name for someone who reads Scripture, comes up with his own private interpretation, and pertinaciously holds that opinion even when it opposes the interpretation of the Catholic Church: a PROTESTANT or HERETIC.

    3. I would recommend that "Truth is Eternal" and any other members this applies to, to beware what videos, books, articles, websites, etc. you read. Before Vatican II, the Church had an "Index of Forbidden Books" which contained a listing of all dangerous books containing ideas inimical to the Catholic Faith. I'm sure many Youtube videos would be condemned by a modern Pope doing his job. Imagine after the Restoration of the Catholic Church, if there is still technology, there will be an online database of all condemned website URLs, youtube videos, books, movies, clips, etc.

    4. I'm shocked that one user besides himself voted for the heretical option.
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