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Does God Give us Humans the Right to Eat Unclean Animals?

Yes, God gives humans the right to eat unclean animals?
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No, God does not give us the right to eat unclean animals?
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Offline Truth is Eternal

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If you believe God gives us the right to eat unclean animals, please let us know why you think God would give us the right to eat unclean animals which are unhealthy for human consumption.
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The laws of the Old Testament are divided into moral precepts (like "Thou shalt not murder") which still apply and symbolic precepts (like "do not eat unclean animals") which no longer apply to Christians.

The symbolic precepts were for the purpose of teaching and preparing the Jews to receive Christ.  At His coming, they were no longer needed.
St. Augustine explains this in his essay Contra Faustum.  http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/140606.htm

This is the section about food:
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7. The saying of the apostle, that "to the pure all things are pure," and that "every creature of God is good," is not opposed to the prohibitions of the Old Testament; and the explanation, if they can understand it, is this. The apostle speaks of the natures of the things, while the Old Testament calls some animals unclean, not in their nature, but symbolically, on account of the prefigurative character of that dispensation. For instance, a pig and a lamb are both clean in their nature, for every creature of God is good; but symbolically, a lamb is clean, and a pig unclean. So the words wise and fool are both clean in their nature, as words composed of letters but fool may be called symbolically unclean, because it means an unclean thing. Perhaps a pig is the same among symbols as a fool is among real things. The animal, and the four letters which compose the word, may mean the same thing. No doubt the animal is pronounced unclean by the law, because it does not chew the cud; which is not a fault but its nature. But the men of whom this animal is a symbol are unclean, not by nature, but from their own fault; because, though they gladly hear the words of wisdom, they never reflect on them afterwards. For to recall, in quiet repose, some useful instruction from the stomach of memory to the mouth of reflection, is a kind of spiritual rumination. The animals above mentioned are a symbol of those people who do not do this. And the prohibition of the flesh of these animals is a warning against this fault. Another passage of Scripture speaks of the precious treasure of wisdom, and describes ruminating as clean, and not ruminating as unclean: "A precious treasure rests in the mouth of a wise man; but a foolish man swallows it up." Proverbs 21:20Symbols of this kind, either in words or in things, give useful and pleasant exercise to intelligent minds in the way of inquiry and comparison. But formerly people were required not only to hear, but to practise many such things. For at that time it was necessary that, by deeds as well as by words, those things should be foreshadowed which were in after times to be revealed. After the revelation by Christ and in Christ, the community of believers is not burdened with the practice of the observances, but is admonished to give heed to the prophecy. This is our reason for accounting no animals unclean, in accordance with the saying of the Lord and of the apostle, while we are not opposed to the Old Testament, where some animals are pronounced unclean. 



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"Do not eat unclean animals" still applies to Christians. God does not deem unclean animals to be clean.
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Cornelius Sends for Peter

1AND there was a certain man in Caesarea, named Cornelius, a centurion of that which is called the Italian band; 2A religious man, and fearing God with all his house, giving much alms to the people, and always praying to God. 3This man saw in a vision manifestly, about the ninth hour of the day, an angel of God coming in unto him, and saying to him: Cornelius. 4And he, beholding him, being seized with fear, said: What is it, Lord? And he said to him: Thy prayers and thy alms are ascended for a memorial in the sight of God. 5And now send men to Joppe, and call hither one Simon, who is surnamed Peter: 6He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side. He will tell thee what thou must do. 7And when the angel who spoke to him was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a soldier who feared the Lord, of them that were under him. 8To whom when he had related all, he sent them to Joppe.
Peter's Vision

(Leviticus 11:1-47; Deuteronomy 14:1-21)
9And on the next day, whilst they were going on their journey, and drawing nigh to the city, Peter went up to the higher parts of the house to pray, about the sixth hour. 10And being hungry, he was desirous to taste somewhat. And as they were preparing, there came upon him an ecstasy of mind. 11And he saw the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: 12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts, and creeping things of the earth, and fowls of the air. 13And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat. 14But Peter said: Far be it from me; for I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean. 15And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common. 16And this was done thrice; and presently the vessel was taken up into heaven.

Peter Summoned to Caesarea

17Now, whilst Peter was doubting within himself, what the vision that he had seen should mean, behold the men who were sent from Cornelius, inquiring for Simon's house, stood at the gate. 18And when they had called, they asked, if Simon, who is surnamed Peter, were lodged there. 19And as Peter was thinking of the vision, the Spirit said to him: Behold three men seek thee. 20Arise, therefore, get thee down and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. 21Then Peter, going down to the men, said: Behold, I am he whom you seek; what is the cause for which you are come? 22Who said: Cornelius, a centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and having good testimony from all the nation of the Jews, received an answer of an holy angel, to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. 23Then bringing them in, he lodged them. And the day following he arose, and went with them: and some of the brethren from Joppe accompanied him.

Peter at Caesarea

24And the morrow after, he entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, having called together his kinsmen and special friends. 25And it came to pass, that when Peter was come in, Cornelius came to meet him, Cornelius came to meet him, and falling at his feet adored. 26But Peter lifted him up, saying: Arise, I myself also am a man. 27And talking with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. 28And he said to them: You know how abominable it is for a man that is a Jew, to keep company or to come unto one of another nation: but God hath shewed to me, to call no man common or unclean. 29For which cause, making no doubt, I came when I was sent for. I ask, therefore, for what cause you have sent for me?

30And Cornelius said: Four days ago, unto this hour, I was praying in my house, at the ninth hour, and behold a man stood before me in white apparel, and said: 31Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thy alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. 32Send therefore to Joppe, and call hither Simon, who is surnamed Peter: he lodgeth in the house of Simon a tanner, by the sea side. 33Immediately therefore I sent to thee: and thou hast done well in coming. Now therefore all we are present in thy sight, to hear all things whatsoever are commanded thee by the Lord.

The Gentiles Hear the Good News

34And Peter opening his mouth, said: In very deed I perceive, that God is not a respecter of persons. 35But in every nation, he that feareth him, and worketh justice, is acceptable to him. 36God sent the word to the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all.) 37You know the word which hath been published through all Judea: for it began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached, 38Jesus of Nazareth: how God anointed him with the Holy Ghost, and with power, who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things that he did in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed, hanging him upon a tree. 40Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest, 41Not to all the people, but to witnesses preordained by God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he arose again from the dead; 42And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was appointed by God, to be judge of the living and of the dead. 43To him all the prophets give testimony, that by his name all receive remission of sins, who believe in him.
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Yes, St. Peter interprets this dream in Acts 10 as meaning that non-Jews (Gentile Christians) are not unclean for what God cleanses through Holy Baptism is not unclean.

However, later on the Church at the First Council of Jerusalem determines that the Gentile Christians should not be burdened by Jewish customs such as foods that the Jews consider unclean. These Gentile Christians are only told to avoid sexual immorality and food sacrificed to idols, nothing more. In other words, Gentile Christians can consume pork, etc.
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Not only was St. Peter given a vision saying that all animals are clean, this was a question discussed at the first Church Council.  There is an account in Acts 15. http://www.drbo.org/chapter/51015.htm 

 [5] But there arose some of the sect of the Pharisees that believed, saying: They must be circumcised, and be commanded to observe the law of Moses.  [6] And the apostles and ancients assembled to consider of this matter. 

And this is the decision they reached: 

 [28] For it hath seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us, to lay no further burden upon you than these necessary things: [29] That you abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which things keeping yourselves, you shall do well. Fare ye well.

 The Challoner notes on this say: 29] "From blood, and from things strangled": The use of these things, though of their own nature indifferent, was here prohibited, to bring the Jews more easily to admit of the society of the Gentiles; and to exercise the latter in obedience. But this prohibition was but temporary, and has long since ceased to oblige; more especially in the western churches.

There is no such thing as unclean animals for Christians.
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I gave your post a thumbs-up as it proves we are not allowed to eat unclean animals.

The Acts Of The Apostles 10:14
It says that up until that time Peter had not eaten unclean animals. This changed after he was commanded by God to consider all food as clean.
After this he ate food that had formerly been considered unclean.
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It says that up until that time Peter had not eaten unclean animals. This changed after he was commanded by God to consider all food as clean.
After this he ate food that had formerly been considered unclean.
Interesting, when did St. Peter change his diet and start eating meats that were considered unclean by the Jews?
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Interesting, when did St. Peter change his diet and start eating meats that were considered unclean by the Jews?
It is implied that he did this when it says that he ate with Gentiles.  They almost certainly had unclean foods there.  Regardless of the food served, eating with them was in itself a breaking of the kosher laws.  They themselves were unclean.  So eating there means he is no longer following Jewish laws.
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I LOVE ANIMALS
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 THEY TASTE DELICIOUS!

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Matt 15:10,11   10Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand. 11A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but” by what comes out of it.


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  • So long as we're not talking bizarre things, like cannibalism, coprophagia, or other weird pica-like items. When you place Jesus' own words in Matt 15 along with Peter's vision of being told the animals he was shown were "that which God has cleansed." Yeah. But I am no theologian, and I will stand corrected if someone can show me Catholic teaching otherwise.


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  • Truth is Eternal,

    What does your priest say about eating pork and other foods you say are unclean?

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  • If it was so important to our faith and salvation, wouldn't the Catholic Church have a list of clean/unclean foods by this time?  2000 years later?!

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  • So long as we're not talking bizarre things, like cannibalism, coprophagia, or other weird pica-like items. When you place Jesus' own words in Matt 15 along with Peter's vision of being told the animals he was shown were "that which God has cleansed." Yeah. But I am no theologian, and I will stand corrected if someone can show me Catholic teaching otherwise.
    You are understanding Our Lord's words exactly the way that Catholics have always understood them.  There is no Church teaching otherwise.
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  • There are two votes for saying that we have no right to eat unclean foods.  I hope that one of those is TiE so there is only one other person here accepting this heresy.  Even so, it is appalling that there are as many as two Catholics who would think such a thing.  

    Accepting Jewish dietary laws as binding on Christians is just as wrong as saying that we must be circumcised or must keep the Sabbath on Saturday or celebrate Jewish holidays.  Judaizing is clearly condemned in Scripture and by the Fathers.  This is the main theme of St. Paul's letter to the Galations, where a group of Judaizers was influencing the faithful.

    TruthisEternal (and anyone tempted to agree with him) should take to heart St. Paul's words to them:

    O senseless Galatians, who hath bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been set forth, crucified among you? 
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

     

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