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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2023, 03:03:19 PM »
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  • It is important to note that all of these men, save for Nate Diaz, are using some sort of steroid. Good genes and years of training can result in a physique similar to Belforts, but his traps and shoulders are still indicative of steroid use.

    On a similar note, I wonder about the morality of modern man using testosterone replacement therapy. Testosterone levels have plummeted in the last hundred years (microplastics? sugar? something in the water?), which may be why you see so many pudgy men with breasts who hold fat in all the wrong places. It seems to me that using TRT would simply be getting your testosterone levels back to where they rightfully belong

    If there’s a moral issue surrounding TRT, I’m not sure what it would be.  Important to remember TRT is not steroids (I know you know that, but for others reading…).

    I know my former neighbor went on it for fertility purposes, as he’d had the testosterone levels of an 8 year-old boy, but was able to conceive with TRT.

    On the other hand, it’s very bad for the heart and increases risk of stroke, and if used for mass gains, the physique quickly deflates after quitting the therapy.

    Here a real/dramatic “during and after” of Vitor Belfort, on and off TRT:

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
    « Reply #16 on: November 24, 2023, 03:31:41 PM »
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  • If there’s a moral issue surrounding TRT, I’m not sure what it would be.  
    I was thinking of someone with "normal" T levels, by modern standards, using it for muscle gain. If that would be considered vain or not


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    Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
    « Reply #17 on: November 24, 2023, 03:37:02 PM »
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  • I was thinking of someone with "normal" T levels, by modern standards, using it for muscle gain. If that would be considered vain or not

    Im open to correction on this, but outside of adverse health effects mentioned earlier, my first impression is that’s it’s no different than protein powder (ie., a legal, non-euphoria, non-abortive supplement).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
    « Reply #18 on: November 24, 2023, 04:52:45 PM »
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  • Im open to correction on this, but outside of adverse health effects mentioned earlier, my first impression is that’s it’s no different than protein powder (ie., a legal, non-euphoria, non-abortive supplement).
    Like so many things, "it depends."

    Baseline free testosterone at onset? Total testosterone levels are worthless because most of the total is bound to SBG sex-binding globulins; it is the free component that is physiologically effective. goal level  at steady-state treatment? If low initially and goal is normalization, few problems. If normal initially and goal is supra-maximal levels, more problems.

    Diversion of testosterone into the female hormone pathways?  Some use anastrazole, an aromatase inhibitor, to block diversion of test to 5HT (baldness) and female hormones (boobs). Anastrazole is far more danger to the heart than testosterone itself. Testosterone used to be a standard treatment for cardiac ischemia.

    Manner of test delivery?  repository oil injections? = oil microembolism problems and markedly fluctuating levels.  pellets? even more wildly fluctuating levels with supra-max levels with initial pellet placement (trochar injections anyone???) topicals? = spousal exposure (sleep in the same bed, linens, body-to-body contact) = double-edged sword = increase wife's libido v. virilize wife  application site? wives report that taste is an issue for a particular standard application site  which topical? alcohol-based vehicle? ("burns" so limits available application sites) compounded cream? (oooey-gooey but doesn't burn, vehicle not as well absorbed)

    testicle shrinkage (think "raisins")

    There are so many serious considerations that a doctor's visit (with a knowledgeable doc) makes a lot more sense than generic online or gym rat lore (and illicit sources).

    P.S. As for protein powder, rarely justified. I hoard some as a hedge for the family against kwashiorkor in the times of hunger ahead. If someone can afford protein powder in the USA, they can afford a balanced diet and have no need for protein powder.

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    Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
    « Reply #19 on: November 24, 2023, 06:03:09 PM »
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  • Like so many things, "it depends."

    Baseline free testosterone at onset? Total testosterone levels are worthless because most of the total is bound to SBG sex-binding globulins; it is the free component that is physiologically effective. goal level  at steady-state treatment? If low initially and goal is normalization, few problems. If normal initially and goal is supra-maximal levels, more problems.

    Diversion of testosterone into the female hormone pathways?  Some use anastrazole, an aromatase inhibitor, to block diversion of test to 5HT (baldness) and female hormones (boobs). Anastrazole is far more danger to the heart than testosterone itself. Testosterone used to be a standard treatment for cardiac ischemia.

    Manner of test delivery?  repository oil injections? = oil microembolism problems and markedly fluctuating levels.  pellets? even more wildly fluctuating levels with supra-max levels with initial pellet placement (trochar injections anyone???) topicals? = spousal exposure (sleep in the same bed, linens, body-to-body contact) = double-edged sword = increase wife's libido v. virilize wife  application site? wives report that taste is an issue for a particular standard application site  which topical? alcohol-based vehicle? ("burns" so limits available application sites) compounded cream? (oooey-gooey but doesn't burn, vehicle not as well absorbed)

    testicle shrinkage (think "raisins")

    There are so many serious considerations that a doctor's visit (with a knowledgeable doc) makes a lot more sense than generic online or gym rat lore (and illicit sources).

    P.S. As for protein powder, rarely justified. I hoard some as a hedge for the family against kwashiorkor in the times of hunger ahead. If someone can afford protein powder in the USA, they can afford a balanced diet and have no need for protein powder.

    Well, if someone is 210 lbs and trying to get 1.5 grams of protein/lb of body weight, I don’t see how that can be done without protein supplements, as trying to eat 305 grams of protein naturally would be very difficult.  I’m lucky to get 200 (and that’s with 2 30 gram shakes/day).

    Or are you saying the 1.5G/lb of body weight formula is unnecessary or excessive?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
    « Reply #20 on: November 24, 2023, 08:49:32 PM »
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  • Well, if someone is 210 lbs and trying to get 1.5 grams of protein/lb of body weight, I don’t see how that can be done without protein supplements, as trying to eat 305 grams of protein naturally would be very difficult.  I’m lucky to get 200 (and that’s with 2 30 gram shakes/day).

    Or are you saying the 1.5G/lb of body weight formula is unnecessary or excessive?
    Providing that one gets sufficient calories and is not working out to the point of tissue destruction, 1.5gm/KgBW is unnecessary. If one is recovering from a serious tissue loss, e.g., a biceps muscle rupture, 4-6wks of higher protein intake is reasonable.

    What is the very first advice given to people with kidney failure? Why?

    An 8 ounce steak has about 50 grams of protein. Are you suggesting that a 210#/95Kg man can't eat a steak at dinner, a 4-8 ounce meat sandwich for lunch, and eggs and sausage for breakfast?  Ever watch or grocery shop for teenage boys? What percent of the time are leftovers still in our refrigerator 3 hours after a meal?

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    Re: Good high protein dinner recipes?
    « Reply #21 on: November 24, 2023, 08:50:24 PM »
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  • Just saw this and thought it apropos…