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Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Christopher67 on December 01, 2013, 12:52:05 AM
Despite what some MIGHT think the good Father is saying,  he is expressing what a lot of us here suspected. Francis is an anti-pope. BVXI is the pope.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: TheKnightVigilant on December 01, 2013, 01:01:14 AM
(http://www.novusordowatch.org/_Media/kramer-sede1_med.jpeg)
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Christopher67 on December 01, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
He is saying that BVXI is pope.....
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Christopher67 on December 01, 2013, 01:16:17 AM
Paul Kramer
"Pope" Francis in Evangelii Gaudium n. 247: "We hold the Jєωιѕн people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked". This text is an explicit profession of heresy, directly opposed to the solemn dogmatic definition of Pope Eugenius III and the Ecuмenical Council of Florence, and the doctrine taught by the supreme magisterium of Pope Benedict XIV in Ex Quo Primum, set forth repeatedly and explicitly citing the definition of Florence, to wit, that the Mosaic covenant has been "revoked" and "abrogated". I have been saying for years that when a "pope" will officially teach explicit and clear heresy flatly contradicting the infallibly defined dogma of the Catholic faith, then you will know that he is the false pope prophecied in many Church approved prophecies and Marian apparitions. St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alohonsus Liguori, St. Antoninus and Pope Innocent III all teach that when the pope demonstrates himself to be a manifest heretic, i.e. a plainly manifested public heretic, he ceases to be pope (or, if already was a public heretic he was invalidly elected) because he is not a Catholic -- not a member of the Catholic Church. Bellarmine explains that the Roman Pontiff is the visible head of the Church, and the head is a member. One who is not a member cannot be the head, and therefore the election to the supreme pontificate of a public heretic is canonically null & void. The heresy of Bergoglio in no. 247 is such a clear cut case of manifest, public heresy, expressed in stark, unequivocal terms, that it can be said without doubt that if this proposition of no. 247 is not manifestly heretical, then nothing else can be said to be so. It is morally impossible that one who manifestly displays such clearly expressed contempt for a defined dogma of faith by plainly denying it, can be believed to validly hold the office of Roman Pontiff. St. Francis of Assisi foretold of the uncanonically elected pope who would not be "a true pastor but a destroyer". Bergoglio plainly fits the description.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: TheKnightVigilant on December 01, 2013, 02:01:12 AM
Quote from: Christopher67
He is saying that BVXI is pope.....


I'm not sure how "The conclusion is inescapable. Sede Vacante." means "Benedict occupies the seat".
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Christopher67 on December 01, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
ask him
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: poche on December 01, 2013, 04:42:10 AM
Maybe you weren't paying attention. The cardinals went into the Sistine Chapel. A few days later white smoke came out of the chimney. A cardinal came out and said, "Habemus Papam..." Out came the old Cardinal Bergoglio and he said that he wants to be called Francis. Even poeple who dont agree with the Catholic church (Prtoestants, Moslems, Jєωs, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...) regognize that Francis is the Pope.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: soulguard on December 01, 2013, 08:52:24 AM
Is there some reason this thread is in the "health and nutrition" forum?

Does Fr Kramer accept novus ordo bishops / cardinals as his legit superiors? - because they say the same things as francis, even worse.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: LoverOfTradition on December 01, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
Wait a minute. If Benedict is the Pope, then he was forced out against his own will? He lied to us?

This just gets so much more confusing. I hope Fr. Kramer releases a video or something explaining this.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: soulguard on December 01, 2013, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: LoverOfTradition
Wait a minute. If Benedict is the Pope, then he was forced out against his own will? He lied to us?

This just gets so much more confusing. I hope Fr. Kramer releases a video or something explaining this.


One never knows what murky dark things take place in the political games of the Vatican. Benedict did say we should pray for him that "I wont leave for fear of the wolves". Who were the wolves he spoke of? And if he was threatened why not say so while on the balcony in front of a million Catholics?
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: LoverOfTradition on December 01, 2013, 10:20:43 AM
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Quote from: soulguard
Quote from: LoverOfTradition
Wait a minute. If Benedict is the Pope, then he was forced out against his own will? He lied to us?

This just gets so much more confusing. I hope Fr. Kramer releases a video or something explaining this.


One never knows what murky dark things take place in the political games of the Vatican. Benedict did say we should pray for him that "I wont leave for fear of the wolves". Who were the wolves he spoke of? And if he was threatened why not say so while on the balcony in front of a million Catholics?


I keep thinking back to that statement: "Pray for me that I might flee for fear of the wolves." That's the first thing I thought of when he abdicated. He did flee. There's no way he's so physically sick that he couldn't be Pope anymore. We've seen him out publicly several times and he doesn't look like he's about to die. Something just isn't right. I'm not one to base everything on Prophecy, but I think back to the "two Pope" Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich talked about. Or Pope Pius X vision of the Pope, with the same name as him fleeing. (I thought that was Cardinal Siri lol. Giuseppe Siri-Giuseppe Sarto- Joseph Ratzinger). I don't know. One day, this is going to have to be sorted out. Something isn't right. What if Benedict is still the true Pope? What do we do now?

Off the top of my head, the wolves are the Freemasons.

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 And if he was threatened why not say so while on the balcony in front of a million Catholics?
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For the same reason the Third Secret hasn't been relased and the Consecration not done (whatever that is...)?
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: LoverOfTradition on December 01, 2013, 10:25:45 AM
[/quote]Wait a minute. If Benedict is the Pope, then he was forced out against his own will? He lied to us?

This just gets so much more confusing. I hope Fr. Kramer releases a video or something explaining this.[/quote]

One never knows what murky dark things take place in the political games of the Vatican. Benedict did say we should pray for him that "I wont leave for fear of the wolves". Who were the wolves he spoke of? And if he was threatened why not say so while on the balcony in front of a million Catholics?[/quote]


I keep thinking back to that statement: "Pray for me that I might flee for fear of the wolves." That's the first thing I thought of when he abdicated. He did flee. There's no way he's so physically sick that he couldn't be Pope anymore. We've seen him out publicly several times and he doesn't look like he's about to die. Something just isn't right. I'm not one to base everything on Prophecy, but I think back to the "two Pope" Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich talked about. Or Pope Pius X vision of the Pope, with the same name as him fleeing. (I thought that was Cardinal Siri lol. Giuseppe Siri-Giuseppe Sarto- Joseph Ratzinger). I don't know. One day, this is going to have to be sorted out. Something isn't right. What if Benedict is still the true Pope? What do we do now?

Off the top of my head, the wolves are the Freemasons.

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 And if he was threatened why not say so while on the balcony in front of a million Catholics?
[/quote]

For the same reason the Third Secret hasn't been relased and the Consecration not done (whatever that is...)?[/quote]


EDIT: I can't seem to get the quotes right. Sorry about that.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: soulguard on December 01, 2013, 11:50:39 AM
There could be some dark secret that the liberals in the church are using to blackmail the conciliar popes, even into resigning.

I wonder what it is.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Ambrose on December 01, 2013, 04:52:33 PM
Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?  
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Mithrandylan on December 01, 2013, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: Ambrose
Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?  


Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Ambrose on December 01, 2013, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: Ambrose
Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?  


Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?


 :laugh1:
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: LoverOfTradition on December 01, 2013, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: Ambrose
Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?  


Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?


 :laugh1:


 :roll-laugh1:
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 01, 2013, 08:30:27 PM
Quote from: LoverOfTradition
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: Ambrose
Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?  


Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?


 :laugh1:


 :roll-laugh1:


No, I think only replying to them is...............

...........wait...............I think I'm gonna be sick now........... :barf:




(Maybe my priest was right -- he said if you know what's good for you, you'll stay out of the discussion!)
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Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Christopher67 on December 14, 2013, 03:29:01 AM
BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Pete Vere on December 14, 2013, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: LoverOfTradition
There's no way he's so physically sick that he couldn't be Pope anymore. We've seen him out publicly several times and he doesn't look like he's about to die.


Not any more, since his schedule is much lighter now and he is likely getting more rest and not putting his health through the extreme stresses of the office.

But I recall his first public appearance shortly after Pope Francis' election, when the two met, and being shocked at just how elderly and frail Pope Benedict looked.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: ggreg on December 14, 2013, 06:55:06 AM
Quote from: soulguard
Is there some reason this thread is in the "health and nutrition" forum?

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Yes, because it is sprinkled with nuts.

Very healthy and nutritious.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: ggreg on December 14, 2013, 06:57:40 AM
Quote from: Christopher67
BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.


Then the seat is vacant, because Ratzinger sure as heck ain't sitting in it.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: 2Vermont on December 14, 2013, 08:21:36 AM
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: Ambrose
Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?  


Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?


::snort::
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Ambrose on December 14, 2013, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: ggreg
Quote from: Christopher67
BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.


Then the seat is vacant, because Ratzinger sure as heck ain't sitting in it.


BXVI taught the same thing as Francis on the point of the Old Covenant.  I have always respected Fr. Kramer, he is an intellectual and a deep thinker, but I believe his current position is inconsistent.

Benedict XVI looked more like a Pope than Francis, but he still professed heresy and grave errors against the Faith.  Benedict was more sympathetic to Tradition, and acted more dignified but that does not change the fact, he publicly defected from the Faith.

Due to this, Benedict was in reality the greater threat, he was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing while Francis' s fangs hang out for all to see.

Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: 2Vermont on December 14, 2013, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: ggreg
Quote from: Christopher67
BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.


Then the seat is vacant, because Ratzinger sure as heck ain't sitting in it.


BXVI taught the same thing as Francis on the point of the Old Covenant.  I have always respected Fr. Kramer, he is an intellectual and a deep thinker, but I believe his current position is inconsistent.

Benedict XVI looked more like a Pope than Francis, but he still professed heresy and grave errors against the Faith.  Benedict was more sympathetic to Tradition, and acted more dignified but that does not change the fact, he publicly defected from the Faith.

Due to this, Benedict was in reality the greater threat, he was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing while Francis' s fangs hang out for all to see.



Technically, IIRC, doesn't the New Catechism teach the same thing?  So, it goes back to VII and all of the popes who have either directly or indirectly supported the new teaching.  
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Capt McQuigg on December 14, 2013, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: Christopher67
Despite what some MIGHT think the good Father is saying,  he is expressing what a lot of us here suspected. Francis is an anti-pope. BVXI is the pope.


The "real" pope stepped down on his own to allow a "anti"-pope to take over?  

I think it's more likely that Pope Benedict stepped down to establish, by his own actions, that the papacy is just a job.  That's the message Benedict XVI wanted to send.  Why Fr Kramer is "clinging" to his own fantasies and illusions is one for the psychologists.  
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: Don Paolo on June 16, 2014, 07:05:37 AM
Fr. Kramer's recent post on Fr. Paul Kramer's  FB page: "A post on Bellarmine Forums says Fr. Paul Kramer is a sedevacantist. Fr. Paul Kramer says that Fr. Paul Kramer is not a sedevacantist." He says Benedict XVI is the pope; and Bergoglio is an antipope.
Title: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on June 16, 2014, 11:00:57 AM
again I will pose the question, how can any freemason be a legitimate church authority, whether pope, cardinal, archbishop, on down the line?

Ambrose provided an answer in another thread, which seems to be the only conclusion, but since we're discussing "who is really the pope" again, keep this question in mind.