Author Topic: Fr Kramer is NOT a sede (Read 4831 times)

Ambrose · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2013, 07:48:46 PM »

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Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?

Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2013, 08:19:55 PM »

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Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?

Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?

:roll-laugh1:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2013, 08:30:27 PM »

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Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?

Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?

:roll-laugh1:

No, I think only replying to them is...............

...........wait...............I think I'm gonna be sick now........... :barf:

(Maybe my priest was right -- he said if you know what's good for you, you'll stay out of the discussion!)
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Christopher67 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 14, 2013, 03:29:01 AM »

BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.

Pete Vere · « **Reply #19 on:** December 14, 2013, 06:51:13 AM »

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There's no way he's so physically sick that he couldn't be Pope anymore. We've seen him out publicly several times and he doesn't look like he's about to die.

Not any more, since his schedule is much lighter now and he is likely getting more rest and not putting his health through the extreme stresses of the office.

But I recall his first public appearance shortly after Pope Francis' election, when the two met, and being shocked at just how elderly and frail Pope Benedict looked.

ggreg · « **Reply #20 on:** December 14, 2013, 06:55:06 AM »

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Is there some reason this thread is in the "health and nutrition" forum?

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Yes, because it is sprinkled with nuts.

Very healthy and nutritious.

ggreg · « **Reply #21 on:** December 14, 2013, 06:57:40 AM »

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BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.

Then the seat is vacant, because Ratzinger sure as heck ain't sitting in it.

2Vermont · « **Reply #22 on:** December 14, 2013, 08:21:36 AM »

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Why is this thread in the health and nutrition forum?

Because ill advised and hokey positions like "sedebenediceplenism" are a danger to one's health?

::snort::

Ambrose · « **Reply #23 on:** December 14, 2013, 10:26:57 AM »

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BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.

Then the seat is vacant, because Ratzinger sure as heck ain't sitting in it.

BXVI taught the same thing as Francis on the point of the Old Covenant. I have always respected Fr. Kramer, he is an intellectual and a deep thinker, but I believe his current position is inconsistent.

Benedict XVI looked more like a Pope than Francis, but he still professed heresy and grave errors against the Faith. Benedict was more sympathetic to Tradition, and acted more dignified but that does not change the fact, he publicly defected from the Faith.

Due to this, Benedict was in reality the greater threat, he was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing while Francis' s fangs hang out for all to see.

2Vermont · « **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2013, 02:01:42 PM »

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BVXI is pope. Fr. Kramer is saying this. Ask him yourselves.

Then the seat is vacant, because Ratzinger sure as heck ain't sitting in it.

BXVI taught the same thing as Francis on the point of the Old Covenant. I have always respected Fr. Kramer, he is an intellectual and a deep thinker, but I believe his current position is inconsistent.

Benedict XVI looked more like a Pope than Francis, but he still professed heresy and grave errors against the Faith. Benedict was more sympathetic to Tradition, and acted more dignified but that does not change the fact, he publicly defected from the Faith.

Due to this, Benedict was in reality the greater threat, he was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing while Francis' s fangs hang out for all to see.

Technically, IIRC, doesn't the New Catechism teach the same thing? So, it goes back to VII and all of the popes who have either directly or indirectly supported the new teaching.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #25 on:** December 14, 2013, 02:32:32 PM »

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Despite what some MIGHT think the good Father is saying, he is expressing what a lot of us here suspected. Francis is an anti-pope. BVXI is the pope.

The "real" pope stepped down on his own to allow a "anti"-pope to take over?

I think it's more likely that Pope Benedict stepped down to establish, by his own actions, that the papacy is just a job. That's the message Benedict XVI wanted to send. Why Fr Kramer is "clinging" to his own fantasies and illusions is one for the psychologists.

Don Paolo · « **Reply #26 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:05:37 AM »

Fr. Kramer's recent post on Fr. Paul Kramer's FB page: "A post on Bellarmine Forums says Fr. Paul Kramer is a sedevacantist. Fr. Paul Kramer says that Fr. Paul Kramer is not a sedevacantist." He says Benedict XVI is the pope; and Bergoglio is an antipope.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #27 on:** June 16, 2014, 11:00:57 AM »

again I will pose the question, how can any freemason be a legitimate church authority, whether pope, cardinal, archbishop, on down the line?

Ambrose provided an answer in another thread, which seems to be the only conclusion, but since we're discussing "who is really the pope" again, keep this question in mind.