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Traditional Catholic Faith => Health and Nutrition => Topic started by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 10, 2025, 09:53:22 AM
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1lb of raw? wow. lol
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This diet will get you sick real quick. I've never met a healthy-looking vegan. Only go vegan for SHORT (a few days, here and there) bursts, as a detox.
Green, leafy veggies should be cooked in olive/coconut oil, to break down the oxalic acids and help the body absorb nutrients. Green, leafy veggies should only be eaten raw in small quantities (and not everyday). If eaten raw, will build up oxalic acids and this will damage your kidneys. And you will get thyroid problems. And/or gout.
Legumes, nuts are also high in oxylates...these chemicals make it hard for the body to absorb nutrients.
(Some veggies are ok to eat raw - i.e. carrots, tomatoes (actually a fruit), cucuмber, etc). The healthier veggies (dark green) should be steamed/lightly cooked.
Also, calcium and dairy products bind with oxylates and help the body GET RID OF THEM, because they're dangerous.
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The best diet is keto and/or paleo. Grass-fed meats, animal fats (natural butter), whole milk and slightly-cooked veggies. Rice is ok. Good breads are ok in moderation. If you eat a lot of good meats and natural butter, you'll feel full and won't have carb cravings as much.
Most vitamins from food are FAT SOLUBLE (vitamins A, D, E, K). If you don't eat good fats, your body won't absorb these vitamins...no matter how many smoothies you drink. Low fat diets are horrible, because your body will become deficient, due to being unable to absorb the vitamins in needs.
There are certain vitamins (B vitamins) which can ONLY be gotten from beef/animal products.
Dr Adkins was right -- a high protein, low carb diet is the way to go. Eating like our "great grandparents used to eat" (i.e. the diet of a farmer) is the way to go --- eggs, meat, chicken, cooked veggies, milk --- this is the key to heath.
The main problems of health today
1) plant fats -- soybean, canola, peanut, etc....all are highly processed. Cause inflammation in the body. Simply horrible. Use natural butter. Olive oil is good too.
2) processed sugars -- high fructose corn syrup kills your liver and pancreas.
3) pesticides in foods. Non-local, non-organic.
The keto/paleo diet solves for all 3 problems above.
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Anything non processed is probably the best way to start. Carbs usually go hand in hand with how active you are in my opinion.
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I did the carnivore diet for a short while and I didn't get bloated. I mostly did it as a reset to my gut and elimination diet. Eating raw veggies can cause bloating because of antinutrients. Even grains and beans have to be soaked, sprouted, or soured to break down the phytic acid to make them more digestible. Also, tofu has soy and that's an estrogen food which isn't good for men.
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This diet will get you sick real quick. I've never met a healthy-looking vegan. Only go vegan for SHORT (a few days, here and there) bursts, as a detox.
Green, leafy veggies should be cooked in olive/coconut oil, to break down the oxalic acids and help the body absorb nutrients. Green, leafy veggies should only be eaten raw in small quantities (and not everyday). If eaten raw, will build up oxalic acids and this will damage your kidneys. And you will get thyroid problems. And/or gout.
Legumes, nuts are also high in oxylates...these chemicals make it hard for the body to absorb nutrients.
(Some veggies are ok to eat raw - i.e. carrots, tomatoes (actually a fruit), cucuмber, etc). The healthier veggies (dark green) should be steamed/lightly cooked.
Also, calcium and dairy products bind with oxylates and help the body GET RID OF THEM, because they're dangerous.
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The best diet is keto and/or paleo. Grass-fed meats, animal fats (natural butter), whole milk and slightly-cooked veggies. Rice is ok. Good breads are ok in moderation. If you eat a lot of good meats and natural butter, you'll feel full and won't have carb cravings as much.
Most vitamins from food are FAT SOLUBLE (vitamins A, D, E, K). If you don't eat good fats, your body won't absorb these vitamins...no matter how many smoothies you drink. Low fat diets are horrible, because your body will become deficient, due to being unable to absorb the vitamins in needs.
There are certain vitamins (B vitamins) which can ONLY be gotten from beef/animal products.
Dr Adkins was right -- a high protein, low carb diet is the way to go. Eating like our "great grandparents used to eat" (i.e. the diet of a farmer) is the way to go --- eggs, meat, chicken, cooked veggies, milk --- this is the key to heath.
The main problems of health today
1) plant fats -- soybean, canola, peanut, etc....all are highly processed. Cause inflammation in the body. Simply horrible. Use natural butter. Olive oil is good too.
2) processed sugars -- high fructose corn syrup kills your liver and pancreas.
3) pesticides in foods. Non-local, non-organic.
The keto/paleo diet solves for all 3 problems above.
Solid advice Pax Vobis - Thank you! Especially about the oxylates.
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Good call. Grains, beans and nuts also have phytic acids. Have to be careful.
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I agree with a lot on here, just not the vegan-ish aspect of this. Iron is really needed for a guy, anyway. Iron is especially needed for a healthy pregnancy.
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I just heard a story of an elderly lady who was in excellent shape. She started eating handfuls of cashews, daily, as a snack. Her diary intake was low. Cashews are very high in oxylates and her low dairy consumption meant the body couldn’t get rid of these chemicals (calcium binds with oxylates and flushes it out of the body). Her kidney function decreased by over 50% and she had to go to the hospital. Took a while to heal her kidneys once they figured out the problem.
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I did the carnivore diet for a short while and I didn't get bloated. I mostly did it as a reset to my gut and elimination diet. Eating raw veggies can cause bloating because of antinutrients. Even grains and beans have to be soaked, sprouted, or soured to break down the phytic acid to make them more digestible. Also, tofu has soy and that's an estrogen food which isn't good for men.
Carnivore diet is a healing diet! It can be maintained over a lifetime. Many courageous doctors are speaking out about this.
We have been lied to about diet. Do the research on carnivore and it will open your eyes.
Thank you Viva for bringing up this important topic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwTOMdylKpM
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I just heard a story of an elderly lady who was in excellent shape. She started eating handfuls of cashews, daily, as a snack. Her diary intake was low. Cashews are very high in oxylates and her low dairy consumption meant the body couldn’t get rid of these chemicals (calcium binds with oxylates and flushes it out of the body). Her kidney function decreased by over 50% and she had to go to the hospital. Took a while to heal her kidneys once they figured out the problem.
Yea, nuts and cashews are "snacks". I don't know how people "live" of that stuff.
Raw milk is the way to go for dairy, though, that homogenized stuff is not really good for you long term.
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If you'll excuse me, I have to go give my pet rabbit a new diet; he'll love this.
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For a temporary diet or a specific health benefit this is a good option but long term can definitely can issues.
I have found the same to be true with the Carnivore diet as well. But everyone is different.
We try and eat more of a "European Diet" aka "fresh foods diet".
For breakfast we typically eat free range eggs and a piece of sourdough bread toast (sometimes also homemade 100% spelt pancakes or yogurt).
For lunch we each usually eat a sourdough bread sandwich with nitrate free ham (or leftovers) and german style saurkraut.
For dinner we usually eat some sort of veggie and meat (a homemade stir fry, soup, stew or other). Sometimes also a salad and a meat with another veggie because the little boys have picked up on salad yet (except our youngest who LOVES it!).
For snacks the boys and I usually have fruit and sometimes cheese with it.
Everyone has almost unlimited access to raw milk and kombucha for drinking throughout the day at any time.
Obviously we visit family and there are days when we have exceptions when we are sick but I found I have less pregnancy sickness and tend to have a more healthy weight and general health with a balanced whole foods diet. (American portion vs. European portion size is also a big things to consider.)
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When I have more energy I sometimes make homemade spelt bread, pizza, muffins, etc. for lunch. And this afternoon for a snack we had run out of fresh fruit and I was under the weather so we had tea and homemade smoothies instead (frozen fruit with a raw milk, a little sugar and a dash of salt.
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Spinach and almonds are the highest in oxylates, but you may be surprised at the others on the list.
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Over two pounds of fibrous veggies per day? Talk about eating like a horse! 🌱🌱 🐴
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I have a master's degree in health and wellness, and graduate study in exercise physiology and nutrition, and I have much anecdotal experience. I can objectively and categorically say that everyone, except the OP, who has commented on diet here in this thread is in great error. One of the few things wrong with the OP is to discourage fruit juice which is ridiculous because the same chart promotes fruits. It's a contradiction. Both fruits and fruit juice are healthy. But overall, the OP is far more correct than everyone else, but still not optimal.
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I have a master's degree in health and wellness, and graduate study in exercise physiology and nutrition, and I have much anecdotal experience. I can objectively and categorically say that everyone, except the OP, who has commented on diet here in this thread is in great error. One of the few things wrong with the OP is to discourage fruit juice which is ridiculous because the same chart promotes fruits. It's a contradiction. Both fruits and fruit juice are healthy. But overall, the OP is far more correct than everyone else, but still not optimal.
It depends on the fruit juice, the Ingredients are not the same. Eg. 40% tomato puree vs 90% tomato juice. Also added sugars and other stuff.
But yeah that image in OP is a meme. Extra virgin olive oil is very healthy, seed (vegetable) oils not at all.
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This diet will get you sick real quick. I've never met a healthy-looking vegan. Only go vegan for SHORT (a few days, here and there) bursts, as a detox.
Green, leafy veggies should be cooked in olive/coconut oil, to break down the oxalic acids and help the body absorb nutrients. Green, leafy veggies should only be eaten raw in small quantities (and not everyday). If eaten raw, will build up oxalic acids and this will damage your kidneys. And you will get thyroid problems. And/or gout.
Legumes, nuts are also high in oxylates...these chemicals make it hard for the body to absorb nutrients.
(Some veggies are ok to eat raw - i.e. carrots, tomatoes (actually a fruit), cucuмber, etc). The healthier veggies (dark green) should be steamed/lightly cooked.
Also, calcium and dairy products bind with oxylates and help the body GET RID OF THEM, because they're dangerous.
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The best diet is keto and/or paleo. Grass-fed meats, animal fats (natural butter), whole milk and slightly-cooked veggies. Rice is ok. Good breads are ok in moderation. If you eat a lot of good meats and natural butter, you'll feel full and won't have carb cravings as much.
Most vitamins from food are FAT SOLUBLE (vitamins A, D, E, K). If you don't eat good fats, your body won't absorb these vitamins...no matter how many smoothies you drink. Low fat diets are horrible, because your body will become deficient, due to being unable to absorb the vitamins in needs.
There are certain vitamins (B vitamins) which can ONLY be gotten from beef/animal products.
Dr Adkins was right -- a high protein, low carb diet is the way to go. Eating like our "great grandparents used to eat" (i.e. the diet of a farmer) is the way to go --- eggs, meat, chicken, cooked veggies, milk --- this is the key to heath.
The main problems of health today
1) plant fats -- soybean, canola, peanut, etc....all are highly processed. Cause inflammation in the body. Simply horrible. Use natural butter. Olive oil is good too.
2) processed sugars -- high fructose corn syrup kills your liver and pancreas.
3) pesticides in foods. Non-local, non-organic.
The keto/paleo diet solves for all 3 problems above.
This is gold
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Right now most meat in USA is full of vaccines and antibiotics including jab shot. Are deer full of Lyme disease? I don’t know. (That disease was created in lab) Now they created chicken disease.
If you look at people from Asian countries countries, they eat mostly organic veggies with small amounts of meat and fish on side. 7 day adventists are healthy too.
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Over two pounds of fibrous veggies per day? Talk about eating like a horse! 🌱🌱 🐴
Sounds like something my mother would say. 😅🤣
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If you look at people from Asian countries countries, they eat mostly organic veggies with small amounts of meat and fish on side. 7 day adventists are healthy too.
Their main staple is white rice and they generally eat low dietary fat and little meat - mainly because they can't afford it - but biochemistry doesn't care about what you can afford or not. It responds best to what is healthiest; and, fortunately, for Asians the most affordable diet (white rice) is also the reason they are the leanest (lowest in body fat %). But since the Western diet has snuck its way into Asia because it's becoming more affordable and fast food (mainly meats, fats, oil, and grease [fats]) is more accessible, obesity is increasing.
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If you look at people from Asian countries countries, they eat mostly organic veggies with small amounts of meat and fish on side. 7 day adventists are healthy too.
Viva, Asian countries' diets are not the same as the 'food guide' you originally posted. Asians cook their veggies, while you recommended raw veggies. Asians also eat fish (high in oil) and noodles/rice (which your recommendation said to limit).
I'm not trying to attack you, but the Asian diet couldn't be more opposite of your original chart.
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I have a master's degree in health and wellness, and graduate study in exercise physiology and nutrition, and I have much anecdotal experience. I can objectively and categorically say that everyone, except the OP, who has commented on diet here in this thread is in great error. One of the few things wrong with the OP is to discourage fruit juice which is ridiculous because the same chart promotes fruits. It's a contradiction. Both fruits and fruit juice are healthy. But overall, the OP is far more correct than everyone else, but still not optimal.
Well then you should know the enormous benefits of a carnivore diet which Persto stated in a previous post. Ancestral eating, i.e. fatty meat, is full of the nutrition the human body needs and the improvements in my blood work as a result of consuming meat only every day (Friday it's salmon) is all the proof I need. Unfortunately, they don't teach this in colleges and universities.
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Carnivore diet is a healing diet! It can be maintained over a lifetime. Many courageous doctors are speaking out about this.
We have been lied to about diet. Do the research on carnivore and it will open your eyes.
Thank you Viva for bringing up this important topic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwTOMdylKpM
Thank you for posting this video, being a carnivore guy myself, this is very helpful info and confirms a lot of what I've uncovered in my own research!!
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Right now most meat in USA is full of vaccines and antibiotics including jab shot. Are deer full of Lyme disease? I don’t know. (That disease was created in lab) Now they created chicken disease.
If you look at people from Asian countries countries, they eat mostly organic veggies with small amounts of meat and fish on side. 7 day adventists are healthy too.
Beware eating deer, elk, moose, etc. The brain wasting prion disease among them is of far more concern to me than Lyme Disease. I do not believe there are human Lyme cases contacted directly from deer meet to humans. The deer tick vector needs to come into play. Lyme is a spirochete, susceptible to specific antibiotics if caught early enough. Prion diseases are 100% fatal.
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I have a master's degree in health and wellness, and graduate study in exercise physiology and nutrition, and I have much anecdotal experience. I can objectively and categorically say that everyone, except the OP, who has commented on diet here in this thread is in great error. One of the few things wrong with the OP is to discourage fruit juice which is ridiculous because the same chart promotes fruits. It's a contradiction. Both fruits and fruit juice are healthy. But overall, the OP is far more correct than everyone else, but still not optimal.
This is very general condemnation. Can you provide more details about what is in "grave error"? Honest question.
Are you supportive of a vegan-esque diet? Why or why not?
Are you against a Dr Adkins-like diet? Why or why not?
Would like to know more.
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Beware eating deer, elk, moose, etc. The brain wasting prion disease among them is of far more concern to me than Lyme Disease. I do not believe there are human Lyme cases contacted directly from deer meet to humans. The deer tick vector needs to come into play. Lyme is a spirochete, susceptible to specific antibiotics if caught early enough. Prion diseases are 100% fatal.
How interesting... We grew up with my father and brothers hunting each year and maybe 1/3 of the meat we ate was deer venison. I never heard of Prion disease until now though. Any information about it that you can share?
(For our birthdays each year my mother would let us pick the meal for dinner. Mine often was venison steaks marinated in natural soy sauce....Haven't had those in a LONG time...)
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I have a master's degree in health and wellness, and graduate study in exercise physiology and nutrition, and I have much anecdotal experience. I can objectively and categorically say that everyone, except the OP, who has commented on diet here in this thread is in great error. One of the few things wrong with the OP is to discourage fruit juice which is ridiculous because the same chart promotes fruits. It's a contradiction. Both fruits and fruit juice are healthy. But overall, the OP is far more correct than everyone else, but still not optimal.
Dr. Eric Westman, MD is a medical researcher at Duke Univ. in N. Carolina. He has been researching Keto/Carnivore for 25+ years.
Give this video a listen! He talks about how healthy and safe the Carnivore diet is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNd5m-vFYDc
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How interesting... We grew up with my father and brothers hunting each year and maybe 1/3 of the meat we ate was deer venison. I never heard of Prion disease until now though. Any information about it that you can share?
(For our birthdays each year my mother would let us pick the meal for dinner. Mine often was venison steaks marinated in natural soy sauce....Haven't had those in a LONG time...)
Look on YouTube, Rumble, etc. for the “Mad Cow Disease” outbreak in England. Warning, it’s not for children.
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Dr. Eric Westman, MD is a medical researcher at Duke Univ. in N. Carolina. He has been researching Keto/Carnivore for 25+ years.
Give this video a listen! He talks about how healthy and safe the Carnivore diet is.
No thanks. I don't listen to jews. They're liars.
And I know from personal observation, study, and experience that carnivore/keto is an inferior diet. Hey, if you want high body fat %, low energy, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancers, body odor and bad breath, then enjoy your carnivore/keto diet.
Most people on this thread are rationalizing their gluttony for meat and other fatty foods.
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No thanks. I don't listen to jews. They're liars.
And I know from personal observation, study, and experience that carnivore/keto is an inferior diet. Hey, if you want high body fat %, low energy, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancers, body odor and bad breath, then enjoy your carnivore/keto diet.
Most people on this thread are rationalizing their gluttony for meat and other fatty foods.
My personal experience with the carnivore diet is exactly the opposite. After switching from following conventional healthy eating habits, I dropped 20lbs., my blood pressure went down, mild angina disappeared, energy/stamina way up. Haven't noticed any BO or bad breath, but my teeth and gums are noticeably healthier also.
That's just my experience, people can take it or leave it because, no matter one's diet, we all end up dead.
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And I know from personal observation, study, and experience that carnivore/keto is an inferior diet. Hey, if you want high body fat %, low energy, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancers, body odor and bad breath, then enjoy your carnivore/keto diet.
Well, Croix, just because it caused you bad breath doesn't mean it has that effect on anyone else.
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My personal experience with the carnivore diet is exactly the opposite. After switching from following conventional healthy eating habits, I dropped 20lbs., my blood pressure went down, mild angina disappeared, energy is up.
I'm starting to wonder if the SOS has pretty much completely poisoned (except those animals or plants you grow/farm yourself) all our food. It's making sense, I'm seeing mass infertility start with a lot of newly weds. I'm seeing GI issues (I had one myself) rise exponentially. I believe it's not one thing, though. The big three are: Genetics, food, environment, and they have complete control of 2 of these aspects.
Everyone keeps poo-pooing my observations, but the patterns are coming into full force.
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My personal experience with the carnivore diet is exactly the opposite. After switching from following conventional healthy eating habits, I dropped 20lbs., my blood pressure went down, mild angina disappeared, energy/stamina way up. Haven't noticed any BO or bad breath, but my teeth and gums are noticeably healthier also.
And that's what most people experience. Croix here pushes the refined-sugar-only diet.
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No thanks. I don't listen to jews. They're liars.
And I know from personal observation, study, and experience that carnivore/keto is an inferior diet. Hey, if you want high body fat %, low energy, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancers, body odor and bad breath, then enjoy your carnivore/keto diet.
Most people on this thread are rationalizing their gluttony for meat and other fatty foods.
You're clueless on your take on carnivore. I've been doing it for over a year, meat, eggs, butter, salmon, fatty meat et al and I'd put my bloodwork against yours without even knowing you. Further, I challenge you for proof that keto/carnivore diet is inferior, by that I mean please provide random clinical trials where this is proven along with evidence that keto/carnivore causes heart disease, high blood pressure, cancers and high cholesterol (high cholesterol being the optimal con game). The proof doesn't exist to back your claims but keep going.
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Dr. Eric Westman, MD is a medical researcher at Duke Univ. in N. Carolina. He has been researching Keto/Carnivore for 25+ years.
Give this video a listen! He talks about how healthy and safe the Carnivore diet is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNd5m-vFYDc
No thanks. I don't listen to jews. They're liars.
And I know from personal observation, study, and experience that carnivore/keto is an inferior diet. Hey, if you want high body fat %, low energy, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancers, body odor and bad breath, then enjoy your carnivore/keto diet.
Most people on this thread are rationalizing their gluttony for meat and other fatty foods.
We are all searching for the truth- and are surrounded by lies. We find the truth by the grace of God, and by being open to listen to the available resources and weighing what we hear with logic and reasoning, and discernment. When we add personal experience and find that it is increasing health benefits, and reversing sickness, this is powerful confirmation that it is true.
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Most optimal diet:
Raw till 4 pm. That means fuits, veggies, juice and water. Added table suger is not only fine but highly optimal for improved taste and glucose partitioning, while avoiding dietary fats. More energy. Better mood. More insulin sensitivity (less insulin needed).
After 4 pm is your staple diet such as white rice, potatoes, pasta, or other very low fat, high carboydrate foods. There are plenty of seasonings, herbs, spices and non-fat sauces to choose to add to it to really add great flavor. Eat meat and/or dairy no more than one day a week, and on that day you should keep carbs/sugar to a minimum; and that day should be your least active day.
No need to count calories. No animal in nature counts calories. It's a ridiculous human pathology. Eat as much as your body tells you to eat. Why are 99.9% animals in nature lean despite not counting calories? Because it's an idiotoic human construct. Humans count calories yet they're aways struggling with weight issues.
This is what I do. Elite athletes, basically, do it, too - a high carb/sugar and low fat diet because it's the most optimal for performance. I'm single digit body fat %, strong, fit, and I look 20 years younger than my age.
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Most optimal diet:
Raw till 4 pm. That means fuits, veggies, juice and water. Added table suger is not only fine but highly optimal for improved taste and glucose partitioning, while avoiding dietary fats. More energy. Better mood. More insulin sensitivity (less insulin needed).
After 4 pm is your staple diet such as white rice, potatoes, pasta, or other very low fat, high carboydrate foods. There are plenty of seasonings, herbs, spices and non-fat sauces to choose to add to it to really add great flavor. Eat meat and/or dairy no more than one day a week, and on that day you should keep carbs/sugar to a minimum; and that day should be your least active day.
No need to count calories. No animal in nature counts calories. It's a ridiculous human pathology. Eat as much as your body tells you to eat. Why are 99.9% animals in nature lean despite not counting calories? Because it's an idiotoic human construct. Humans count calories yet are they're aways struggling with weight issues.
This is what I do. Elite athletes, basically, do it, too - a high carb/sugar and low fat diet because it's the most optimal for performance. I'm single digit body fat %, strong, fit, and I look 20 years younger than my age.
No you don't, not with all that glucose and garbage in your system. My advice to everyone on this forum is to ignore this nonsense he's trying to put forth. He's not talking about PHD which is proper human diet which does not and never has advocated for rice, potatoes, pasta or table sugar which is white death.
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No you don't, not with all that glucose and garbage in your system. My advice to everyone on this forum is to ignore this nonsense he's trying to put forth. He's not talking about PHD which is proper human diet which does not and never has advocated for rice, potatoes, pasta or table sugar which is white death.
OK, fat boy. :laugh1:
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OK, fat boy. :laugh1:
Which I’m not but you’ve embarrassed yourself enough, have a great one!
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I’ve tried the high-carb-low-fat diet for 5 years. Felt great and can attest to its benefits for those who are very active.
I married someone who’s not into it so I ultimately caved into eating the so-called SAD diet with lots more fruits and veg. I don’t have the time to devote to physical activities so I can’t vouch for those results. I simply practice portion control now to keep my weight in check. Time will tell if I have anything underlying going on.
I do find it interesting that the Creator intend for us to only consume fruits and greens. Then we were allowed meat as a compromise. I imagine we should all eat how our Lord ate while he was down here.
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I’ve tried the high-carb-low-fat diet for 5 years. Felt great and can attest to its benefits for those who are very active.
Agree.
There is not a 'one size fits all' diet. If you're extremely active, you need more carbs. If you're older and get less exercise, then a high-carb diet is HORRIBLE. Because you're not burning up any calories and your body stores it all as fat.
If you're older and/or sedentary, then a KETO/Adkins diet is good. In short bursts. Then switch to Paleo for the fruits/veggies.
It all depends on your lifestyle.
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No you don't, not with all that glucose and garbage in your system. My advice to everyone on this forum is to ignore this nonsense he's trying to put forth. He's not talking about PHD which is proper human diet which does not and never has advocated for rice, potatoes, pasta or table sugar which is white death.
Asians and Africans are the leanest people on the planet, and their diet is high carb, low fat. White rice is their staple. You don't live in reality.
White table sugar is exactly the same on a molecular level as sugars in a freshly picked strawberry or any other fruit. Sugar is a nutrient. Shed yourself of your prejudice against sugar.
The meat and dairy that you eat is REFINED, too, unless you're less than one percent of the population who harvests their own game, processes it and eats it. The anti-refined argument by people when they're eating refined food is a fallacy, and they don't even realize they're committing it. The steak you buy from the butcher at the grocery store is refined, too.
You do what you do. You need caffeine and other stimulants to get you through the day. Your sugar phobia is a mental problem. Every person I've ever met who has a sugar phobia has mental issues.
I'll do what I do - stay lean, fit, energetic and strong while I enjoy God's greatest nutrient - sugar.
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I do find it interesting that the Creator intend for us to only consume fruits and greens. Then we were allowed meat as a compromise. I imagine we should all eat how our Lord ate while he was down here.
This is true. Before the fall of man and nature, the diet of man was fruits and greens. There was no killing and no eating meat. Moreover, the diet of every creature on the planet was greens or greens and fruits. Lions and wolves didn't eat other animals.
When Jesus Christ heals nature when He returns, again, the lions and beasts will no longer prey upon other animals. They will live in harmony with each other and man. It is foretold in the Book of Isaias.
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From now on, I eat only loaves and fishes, perhaps I can splurge on locusts and wild honey. I’ll dress like a Marian apparition, my transportation limited to foot—-both land and sea, non-motorized boat, and donkey.
I L-U-V being “nithe” and facetious.
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Asians and Africans are the leanest people on the planet, and their diet is high carb, low fat. White rice is their staple. You don't live in reality.
White table sugar is exactly the same on a molecular level as sugars in a freshly picked strawberry or any other fruit. Sugar is a nutrient. Shed yourself of your prejudice against sugar.
The meat and dairy that you eat is REFINED, too, unless you're less than one percent of the population who harvests their own game, processes it and eats it. The anti-refined argument by people when they're eating refined food is a fallacy, and they don't even realize they're committing it. The steak you buy from the butcher at the grocery store is refined, too.
You do what you do. You need caffeine and other stimulants to get you through the day. Your sugar phobia is a mental problem. Every person I've ever met who has a sugar phobia has mental issues.
I'll do what I do - stay lean, fit, energetic and strong while I enjoy God's greatest nutrient - sugar.
You're lost and wrong, have a great day!
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From now on, I eat only loaves and fishes, perhaps I can splurge on locusts and wild honey. I’ll dress like a Marian apparition, my transportation limited to foot—-both land and sea, non-motorized boat, and donkey.
I L-U-V being “nithe” and facetious.
My comment was not some Pollyanna nonsense.
I mean look at what He ate, and apply it to modern standards. Likely, He ate mostly carbs in the form of flatbread and fruits, then greens and herbs, lastly some meat. Edit to add: also fish of course!
Walking more would do many American fatties some good.
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My comment was not some Pollyanna nonsense.
I mean look at what He ate, and apply it to modern standards. Likely, He ate mostly carbs in the form of flatbread and fruits, then greens and herbs, lastly some meat. Edit to add: also fish of course!
Walking more would do many American fatties some good.
This response is not to you personally, it’s in response to the usual derailing of so many CI threads into petty and fruitless (pun intended) arguments. Sorry you took it that way.
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From now on, I eat only loaves and fishes, perhaps I can splurge on locusts and wild honey. I’ll dress like a Marian apparition, my transportation limited to foot—-both land and sea, non-motorized boat, and donkey.
I L-U-V being “nithe” and facetious.
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You're lost and wrong, have a great day!
Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?
Are these panel of doctors wrong, too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLbtiBh4KJc
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Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?
Are these panel of doctors wrong, too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLbtiBh4KJc
The video is from this channel:
(https://yt3.googleusercontent.com/cRWj8X72xZAVFHBNTIWWb4tr_u4gDfbSLqFOg3rFrYm9xBDQHeN1T3zifhLplfueMBfSxEAJCw=s160-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj)
Keto Fatty
@Keto_Fatty_Syndicate
About:
"I'm on a carnivore and keto diet. I struggle with fat issues, anxiety, irritability and mental depression. I have low energy. I drink a bunch of coffee and I take stimulants to get me through the day. I have trouble sleeping. My cortisol levels are high. I sometimes starve myself down to "normal" weight while I consume a bunch of (disease-causing) diet pills, and I dishonestly credit my carnivore/keto diet for it. I refuse to accept the truth that my health issues are due to my sugar phobia and high consumption of fatty foods and animal products. I refuse to accept sugar greatly reduces cortisol levels. SUGAR IS WHITE DEATH !!"
The channel only has 2 videos: the one posted above and another a cartoon on "Anti-racist Hitler"
More about Dr. McDougall who is in the clip on the video:
wiki:
John A. McDougall (May 17, 1947 – June 22, 2024) was an American physician and author, who died at the age of 77.
In 1992, nutritionist Kurt Butler described McDougall's ideas as "vegetarian extremism" and McDougall as "Americas most influential vegan zealot" who has taken the low-fat vegetarian diet to extremes.
The McDougall diet is very low-fat, high-carbohydrate and vegan. Sodium intake is restricted and animal products, added oils, processed foods (ie: white sugar),alcoholic beverages and caffeinated drinks are not permitted. The McDougall diet is severe restriction of dietary fat with the avoidance of vegetable oils, nuts, seeds and avocados. The diet is 90% starch-based. It is based on a variety of starches such as rice, potatoes, corn, breads, pasta with fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables.
McDougall acknowledges that sugar can cause immediate changes in the brain's chemistry, similar to those seen after the use of narcotics, producing heightened pleasure. However, he does not advocate for the excessive consumption of refined sugars, which can lead to dependency and adverse health effects. McDougall recommends consuming sugars in their natural forms found in unprocessed starches, vegetables, and fruits.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-mcdougall-diet/
Dr. Harriet Hall:
Dr. McDougall is a maverick who disagrees with most experts. He recommends a high starch, low fat diet with no dairy or animal foods and other prohibitions. Its severe restrictions make it nutritionally questionable and it has never been properly tested in a controlled study.
(https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/harriet-hall/)
(https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/harriet-hall/) I assumed he must have found convincing evidence to support his claims. I read his book (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/harriet-hall/) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AFWEUVI/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) hoping to find that evidence. I was disappointed. The book was full of anecdotes, testimonials, lists of foods... Many claims were made without supporting evidence. Evidence appeared only twice:
- In Chapter 3, he says “Scientific support for the material in this chapter” can be found in another of his books, , published in 1984.
- Part 3 covers dietary and lifestyle treatment of medical conditions and is followed by a section of references applying to the material in Part 3.
He says that for most of his patients with MS, the progress of MS symptoms has been halted. He cites a study by Dr. Roy Swank, saying he treated more than 3,000 MS patients with a low fat diet; he says Swank’s results are unchallenged by other studies and are unmatched in effectiveness. Swank’s study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1973220/) began in 1949 and his results for 144 patients were published in in 1990. There was no control group. And his results certainly have been challenged, repeatedly. A recent study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27645350/) reported decreased subjective self-reports of fatigue but “no significant improvement on brain MRI, relapse rate or disability”.
“Before you accept a claim, try to find out who disagrees with it and why.” In this case, pretty much all health care providers and nutrition experts disagree, and they have a very good reason: they follow the published evidence. How likely is it that they are all wrong and this one individual is the only one to get it right? Not very. McDougall claims there is “overwhelming evidence” to support his diet. An article on SkepticBlog (https://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/) has fun with his claim that dairy food causes all disease:
Quote And the science is overwhelming! Well, if this guy says so, it must be true. But I wonder how he has come to this conclusion, since McDougall has not managed to convince any meaningful percentage of the medical community that outrageous claims are anything other than quackery. This total failure constitutes “overwhelming science”?
That article goes on to point out that the preponderance of published research supports exactly the opposite of what McDougall claims. Nutritionist Kurt Butler agrees, saying that while McDougall backs up his claims with published medical studies, his interpretations of those studies are often at odds with the studies’ authors.
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The video is from this channel: [...]
I know, can you believe it? What better approach than to mix truth with humor? :smirk:
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Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?
Are these panel of doctors wrong, too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLbtiBh4KJc
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George Foreman credits carbohydrates (and God) for slimming down and his heavyweight championship victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGknFVO70A
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Couldn't it be that different diets work for different people?
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George Foreman credits carbohydrates (and God) for slimming down and his heavyweight championship victory.
:laugh1: ... carbs, maybe, but nothing but refined sugar? I doubt you'll find 3 people in the world who believe it's good for you and that you don't also need healthy fats, especially for your brain function.
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Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?
What's funny is that EVERY SINGLE TIME you get outed as Croix due to this particular subject, that or some of your outrageous "avatar" images here on CI. :laugh1:
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What's funny is that EVERY SINGLE TIME you get outed as Croix due to this particular subject, that or some of your outrageous "avatar" images here on CI. :laugh1:
Who is Croix?
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Sugar (insulin resistance) and maybe refined carbs made my eczema and GI problems worse.
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Sugar (insulin resistance) and maybe refined carbs made my eczema and GI problems worse.
Same for me especially corn.
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George Foreman credits carbohydrates (and God) for slimming down and his heavyweight championship victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGknFVO70A
Then you should eat them
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There is no such thing as a carb being a necessary nutrient, they simply arent
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:laugh1: ... carbs, maybe, but nothing but refined sugar? I doubt you'll find 3 people in the world who believe it's good for you and that you don't also need healthy fats, especially for your brain function.
You are correct Lad, our brain is 80% cholesterol and trying to lower that down with statins is a bad idea that should be stopped… but too much $$$ in it for that to happen
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Sugar (insulin resistance) and maybe refined carbs made my eczema and GI problems worse.
You're wrong. Dietary fats cause insulin resistance.
Sugar increases insulin sensitivity (hence, you need less insulin for it to do its job).
Watch the 3 minute video of doctors discussing it. I posted it earlier in this thread. Here it is, again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLbtiBh4KJc
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Couldn't it be that different diets work for different people?
No. Biochemical reactions and physiological processes in each human are the same.
What you asked is like asking "would different types of wood that are on fire burn more, if water was thrown on it, while fire would put out on other types of wood as water is thrown on it?
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:laugh1: ... carbs, maybe, but nothing but refined sugar? I doubt you'll find 3 people in the world who believe it's good for you and that you don't also need healthy fats, especially for your brain function.
Try coming back with an argument that's not a strawman on this issue. You've repeatedly committed strawman fallacies.
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There is no such thing as a carb being a necessary nutrient, they simply arent
Carbs aren't nutriets, just a different type of fuel. Much like water can be solid, liquid or gas....all glucose comes from carbs, proteins or oils. Carbs being the quickest way for the body to get fuel.
There were some recent studies which suggested that carbs are needed for the body to properly assimilate certain vitamins. There is no exercise guru/top-athelete on the planet who is against carbs.
I agree with the video where doctors cured type2 with starches and simple sugars. I've read on that years ago and makes sense.
The waters get murky when you start to demonize all oils, as that is the same extreme position of demonizing all carbs. I think omega6/processed oils are the main issue. They are the ones which block the insulin receptors. Omega6s are everywhere, and omega3 oils are hard to get.
The other murky issue is high-fructose corn syrup which is NOT SUGAR and horrible for your pancreas and liver. If one were to eat a "high carb" diet and not avoid corn syrup, they'd be doing a horrible thing to their body.
In summary, due to all the processing of our foods, a healthy diet is hard to achieve. And also, most foods are devoid of nutrients, whether you're talking about fats or carbs.
Some people seems to operate better on keto vs high-carb. I've seen plenty of amazing atheletes who are high-carb/ even vegan. I really don't think there's a one-size answer.
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You are correct Lad, our brain is 80% cholesterol and trying to lower that down with statins is a bad idea that should be stopped… but too much $$$ in it for that to happen
The brain and every cell in the human body runs on glucose. If you deprive yourself of glucose, you cause a vast array of problems both mentally and physically.
When a person is in a coma, the hospital feeds him glucose as a staple through the tubes to keep him alive. They don't feed him fats and cholesterol.
When a type 2 diabetic is about to go into shock and a coma, the paramedics feed him glucose not milk, cheese, pig fat nor a burger to revive him.
Jersey60, you should cut down on dietary fat and have some sugar. You'll start think think better and understand these simple fundamentals.
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No. Biochemical reactions and physiological processes in each human are the same.
What you asked is like asking "would different types of wood that are on fire burn more, if water was thrown on it, while fire would put out on other types of wood as water is thrown on it?
If it is all biochemical and physiological, then where do food allergies come from?
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The brain and every cell in the human body runs on glucose. If you deprive yourself of glucose, you cause a vast array of problems both mentally and physically.
When a person is in a coma, the hospital feeds him glucose as a staple through the tubes to keep him alive. They don't feed him fats and cholesterol.
When a type 2 diabetic is about to go into shock and a coma, the paramedics feed him glucose not milk, cheese, pig fat nor a burger to revive him.
Jersey60, you should cut down on dietary fat and have some sugar. You'll start think think better and understand these simple fundamentals.
I was eating plenty of sugar and had aches, blood sugar readings going up...went carnivore and not going back, no more aches and pains and couldn't feel better, no thanks!
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If it is all biochemical and physiological, then where do food allergies come from?
We're talking about storage of body fat, insulin levels and energy production. Food allergies is a red herring. Different things can cause it but it's not the issue here.
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I was eating plenty of sugar and had aches, blood sugar readings going up...went carnivore and not going back, no more aches and pains and couldn't feel better, no thanks!
You're not telling the truth. You excluded the fact that you were ALSO eating high dietary fats along with the sugar and carbs. No wonder you were obese and diabetic and ached. You're still overweight and type 2 from keto/carnivore.
The key is to keep dietary fat VERY LOW while increasing the carbs/sugar.
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The brain and every cell in the human body runs on glucose. If you deprive yourself of glucose, you cause a vast array of problems both mentally and physically.
Some functions take Ketones.
When a person is in a coma, the hospital feeds him glucose as a staple through the tubes to keep him alive. They don't feed him fats and cholesterol.
That is a quick and easy fix. If other nutrients were fed to the coma victim, then maybe there health would improve faster.
When a type 2 diabetic is about to go into shock and a coma, the paramedics feed him glucose not milk, cheese, pig fat nor a burger to revive him.
Because it transports faster. If a diabetic wants to avoid shock or coma all together then he should eat a better diet than the one you describe.
Jersey60, you should cut down on dietary fat and have some sugar. You'll start think think better and understand these simple fundamentals.
Lots of your messages have grammatical and typing issues. Are you sure you are thinking better?:cowboy:
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You're not telling the truth. You excluded the fact that you were ALSO eating high dietary fats along with the sugar and carbs. No wonder you were obese and diabetic and ached. You're still overweight and type 2 from keto/carnivore.
The key is to keep dietary fat VERY LOW while increasing the carbs/sugar.
Mind providing sources for your information? It's all false but...
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We're talking about storage of body fat, insulin levels and energy production. Food allergies is a red herring. Different things can cause it but it's not the issue here.
I don't think it is that simple. If it was all people could do the exact same thing and be healthy?
Have you ever heard of Weston A. Price?
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To say "sugar causes diabetes" is like saying "water causes dehydration".
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Some functions take Ketones.
That is a quick and easy fix. If other nutrients were fed to the coma victim, then maybe there health would improve faster.
Because it transports faster. If a diabetic wants to avoid shock or coma all together then he should eat a better diet than the one you describe.
Lots of your messages have grammatical and typing issues. Are you sure you are thinking better?:cowboy:
The 3 minute clip of doctors that I posted already nullifies your nonsense; and ketones are not an efficient source of fuel for cells. To give a simple example is no Olympic athlete ever won a sporting event while he was in ketosis vs his rivals running on glucose partitioning, all other variables being equal. Glucose, by far, is the most efficient fuel for every cell in the body.
Also, when I wrote "think think" that was simply a typo not a grammatical error. You committed the grammatical error as I highlighted in red in your quote. So, yeah, reduce your dietary fat and eat more sugar. You'll think better.
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I don't think it is that simple. If it was all people could do the exact same thing and be healthy?
No, they wouldn't and they don't because they're too addicted to dietary fats. That's part of the underlying problem. They would rather live for their passions of the belly than be healthy and fit.
Just as people are too addicted to sin than to live in Our Lord. Our Lord is the only truth but most people still reject Him. Your fallacious thinking is similar to saying everyone will convert to Christ because, as Catholics know, He is the only way to salvation.
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The 3 minute clip of doctors that I posted already nullifies your nonsense; and ketones are not an efficient source of fuel for cells. To give a simple example is no Olympic athlete ever won a sporting event while he was in ketosis vs his rivals running on glucose partitioning, all other variables being equal. Glucose, by far, is the most efficient fuel for every cell in the body.
Also, when I wrote "think think" that was simply a typo not a grammatical error. You committed the grammatical error as I highlighted in red in your quote. So, yeah, reduce your dietary fat and eat more sugar. You'll think better.
Maybe, but you have to convince my husband first.:cowboy: And I am notorious for using the wrong there/their/they're I don't think diet will help that.
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No, they wouldn't and they don't because they're too addicted to dietary fats. That's part of the underlying problem. They would rather live for their passions of the belly than be healthy and fit.
Just as people are too addicted to sin than to live in Our Lord. Our Lord is the only truth but most people still reject Him. Your fallacious thinking is similar to saying everyone will convert to Christ because, as Catholics know, He is the only way to salvation.
Can you give me an example of what you eat for the day?
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No, they wouldn't and they don't because they're too addicted to dietary fats. That's part of the underlying problem. They would rather live for their passions of the belly than be healthy and fit.
Just as people are too addicted to sin than to live in Our Lord. Our Lord is the only truth but most people still reject Him. Your fallacious thinking is similar to saying everyone will convert to Christ because, as Catholics know, He is the only way to salvation.
Sugar is way more addictive than fats. I can’t eat so much steak but I can probably have too much juice, sugary foods in one sitting if I wanted. Also fats are filling and satiating. I haven’t had a flair up ever since I watched how much sugar I consumed. Notice how the most expensive foods in the grocery store are meat and dairy?
I watched the doctor panel video you posted and they said “sugar cures diabetes”? I’m calling bullsh*t. And the end of the video is Easy. Healthy. Vegan.
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No, they wouldn't and they don't because they're too addicted to dietary fats. That's part of the underlying problem. They would rather live for their passions of the belly than be healthy and fit.
Just as people are too addicted to sin than to live in Our Lord. Our Lord is the only truth but most people still reject Him. Your fallacious thinking is similar to saying everyone will convert to Christ because, as Catholics know, He is the only way to salvation.
Still waiting on sources, surely a randomized clinical trial exists which you’ve read, correct? Please share with the group, thanks
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This man was in the doctor panel video. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._McDougall
I don't know if this low-fat vegan diet is sustainable long-term.
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This man was in the doctor panel video. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._McDougall
I don't know if this low-fat vegan diet is sustainable long-term.
It isn’t, it’s not a proper human diet
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This man was in the doctor panel video. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._McDougall
I don't know if this low-fat vegan diet is sustainable long-term.
Further he was a vegan so…nuff said
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https://youtu.be/5W5w0WSBwDI
Excellent video from a serious researcher and medical doctor:
Our Bodies ARE NOT Designed to Run on Carbohydrates (EAT THIS) | Dr. Gary Fettke
Dr. Gary Fettke is a Tasmanian Orthopedic Surgeon and vocal proponent of nutrition being a major component of prevention and management of modern disease.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Intro
- The dietary guidelines are a failure
- How glucose is damaging your body
- Fructose creates small dense LDL particles
- How long do seed oils stay in your body?
- The surprising truth about the Mediterranean diet & olive oil
- We're being lied to about what to eat
- Are we overdosing on omega-3s?
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https://youtu.be/5W5w0WSBwDI
Excellent video from a serious researcher and medical doctor:
Our Bodies ARE NOT Designed to Run on Carbohydrates (EAT THIS) | Dr. Gary Fettke
Dr. Gary Fettke is a Tasmanian Orthopedic Surgeon and vocal proponent of nutrition being a major component of prevention and management of modern disease.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Intro
- The dietary guidelines are a failure
- How glucose is damaging your body
- Fructose creates small dense LDL particles
- How long do seed oils stay in your body?
- The surprising truth about the Mediterranean diet & olive oil
- We're being lied to about what to eat
- Are we overdosing on omega-3s?
Good stuff in the video and accurate information!
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Sugar is way more addictive than fats. I can’t eat so much steak but I can probably have too much juice, sugary foods in one sitting if I wanted. Also fats are filling and satiating. I haven’t had a flair up ever since I watched how much sugar I consumed. Notice how the most expensive foods in the grocery store are meat and dairy?
I watched the doctor panel video you posted and they said “sugar cures diabetes”? I’m calling bullsh*t. And the end of the video is Easy. Healthy. Vegan.
Neither sugar nor fats are addictive in the true sense of the word addiction such as being addicted to drugs. It's a matter of passions of your belly. People prefer to be fat by eating meat, dairy and oils which contain high dietary fats because its tastes good to them, rather than being lean and fit by excluding that diet.
Your flair ups were due to the combination of eating high dietary fats with carbs/sugar. It's not the carbs/sugar per se causing it. It's the interaction of high fats and glucose in the blood causing it. The fats are to blame, just like the fats smother insulin receptors, thereby, causing type 2 diabetes.
You can't have too much juice or sugary foods, as long as you keep your dietary fats very low. If you keep your dietary fats very low, you can eat as much carbs and sugar as you desire - as much as your body tells you that you're hungry. Also, carbs/sugar satiate the body much more than meats and fats. That's why desert is ALWAYS after the main course meal. If meats and fats were satiating, then the custom for diets wouldn't have deserts post-dinner.
Carbs/sugar don't get stored as fat. That's a lie. The highest fat-causing diet is eating high dietary fats and carbs/sugar; but eating a carnivore/keto diet, also, causes obesity and other health problems. Carnivore/keto is, also, unsustainable because of low energy and, ultimately, craving for carbohydrates which leads to binge eating which, in combination with high dietary fats, will cause a person to explode in weight.
High carb/sugar and very low dietary fat diet will induce body fat reduction. Guaranteed. It's biochemical law.
You can call "bullsh*t" all you want, but the truth doesn't care about your incredulity.
The fat you eat is the fat you wear.
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Neither sugar nor fats are addictive in the true sense of the word addiction such as being addicted to drugs. It's a matter of passions of your belly. People prefer to be fat by eating meat, dairy and oils which contain high dietary fats because its tastes good to them, rather than being lean and fit by excluding that diet.
Your flair ups were due to the combination of eating high dietary fats with carbs/sugar. It's not the carbs/sugar per se causing it. It's the interaction of high fats and glucose in the blood causing it. The fats are to blame, just like the fats smother insulin receptors, thereby, causing type 2 diabetes.
You can't have too much juice or sugary foods, as long as you keep your dietary fats very low. If you keep your dietary fats very low, you can eat as much carbs and sugar as you desire - as much as your body tells you that you're hungry. Also, carbs/sugar satiate the body much more than meats and fats. That's why desert is ALWAYS after the main course meal. If meats and fats were satiating, then the custom for diets wouldn't have deserts post-dinner.
Carbs/sugar don't get stored as fat. That's a lie. The highest fat-causing diet is eating high dietary fats and carbs/sugar; but eating a carnivore/keto diet also causes obesity and other health problems. Carnivore/keto is also unsustainable because of low energy and craving for carbohydrates leads to binge eating which, in combination with a high dietary fats, will cause a person to explode in weight.
You can call "bullsh*t" all you want, but the truth doesn't care about your incredulity.
The fat you eat is the fat you wear.
Do you have a guesstimate of about how many calories you are getting a day? What exactly do you eat in a day?
For me it doesn't matter what I eat, because stress and cortisol throw that off. I need to do something about the stress before anything will work.
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Do you have a guesstimate of about how many calories you are getting a day? What exactly do you eat in a day?
For me it doesn't matter what I eat, because stress and cortisol throw that off. I need to do something about the stress before anything will work.
Your cortisol levels are high because you're not getting enough sugar in your body. Cortisol, also, causes diseases and insomnia. Sugar REDUCES cortisol levels. Cortisol contributes to high blood pressure, but HPB is not only caused by cortisol (stress hormone) but HBP will cause added stress, too. High dietary fats cause high blood pressure. High fats in the blood reduce oxygen flow and uptake into the mitochondria (energy powerhouse of cells), and fats coagulate the blood - makes it more viscous, thereby, increasing pressure in the arteries. Your heart has to work harder to pump blood. Sugar and low dietary fats increase vasodilation and oxygen transport which is good.
I don't count calories, nor do I restrict calories. It's silly to count calories, and it's unhealthy to restrict calories. Calories don't cause weight gain. Dietary fats cause weight gain. So counting calories and calorie restriction are not measures of good health. The only thing to count* is grams of fat in the food that you're considering eating. (*Endurance athletes, also, count grams of sugar because optimal performace occurs when ingesting 100-200 grams of sugar each hour during their activity. They keep fats very low but, also, make an effort to keep sugar very high)
Keep your dietary fat very low, and eat as much carbs/sugar as your body desires, and you will shed body fat - guaranteed. But you must avoid foods that contain both sugar/carbs and fats, too. People idiotically blame the sugar for causing them to get fat but it's the dietary fat in the same food causing the gain in weight.
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This nonsense on eating sugar is getting comical, it really is!
Dietary fat doesn’t cause obesity and it never has.
Still waiting on sources for the nonsense you’re dolling out, but then again I know the sources do not exist…now…for your next comedy take…
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Dietary fat doesn’t cause obesity and it never has.
If you mix fat with sugar, you will gain weight. FACT.
If you eat meat/fat ONLY, you can lose weight.
You're missing the distinction.
- You can go high-carb/super low fat and lose weight (what athletes do). ...or...
- You can go high-fat/protein/super low carb and lose weight (i.e. Keto).
Pick one. If you mix fats and sugars, (especially plant fats) you will gain weight and have health issues.
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This nonsense on eating sugar is getting comical, it really is!
Dietary fat doesn’t cause obesity and it never has.
Still waiting on sources for the nonsense you’re dolling out, but then again I know the sources do not exist…now…for your next comedy take…
I already posted the panel of doctors.
The fat you eat is the fat you wear.
Go be fat on someone else's time.
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If you eat meat/fat ONLY, you can lose weight.
Wrong, you will gain body fat and weight but not as much as eating both fats and sugar.
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An archaeologic dig: a rice-fruit diet reverses ECG changes in hypertension.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24996514 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24996514)
Dietary intake of fruit & rice, and abstaining from fats, oils & excess animal protein, reverses hypertension and cures type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
In 1940, a young German refugee physician scientist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina began to treat patients with accelerated or "malignant" hypertension with a radical diet consisting of only white rice and fruit, with strikingly favorable results. He reported rapid reduction in blood pressure, rapid improvement in renal failure, papilledema, congestive heart failure and other manifestations of this previously fatal illness. This treatment was based on his theory that the kidney had both an excretory and a metabolic function, and that removing most of the sodium and protein burden from this organ enabled it to regain its normal ability to perform its more important metabolic functions. It was also effective in "ordinary" hypertension, in the absence of the dramatic vasculopathy of the accelerated form. The results were so dramatic that many experienced physicians suspected him of falsifying data. Among these results was the normalization of the ECG changes seen with hypertension. This paper reviews his published experience with this radical therapy, its controversial rise to fame, and its decline in popularity with the advent of effective antihypertensive drugs. It features the ECG changes seen in this then fatal disease, and the reversal of these changes by the rice diet. This treatment, though very difficult for the patient, produced effects which make it equal or superior to current multi-drug treatment of hypertension. A poorly known but important observation was that patients who were able to follow the regime, and who were slowly guided through a gradual modification of the diet over many months, were able to transition into a very tolerable low fat, largely vegetarian diet, while leading a normal, active life, without medications, indicating that the disease state had been permanently modified.
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Your flair ups were due to the combination of eating high dietary fats with carbs/sugar. It's not the carbs/sugar per se causing it. It's the interaction of high fats and glucose in the blood causing it. The fats are to blame, just like the fats smother insulin receptors, thereby, causing type 2 diabetes.
Fact.
You can't have too much juice or sugary foods, as long as you keep your dietary fats very low. If you keep your dietary fats very low, you can eat as much carbs and sugar as you desire - as much as your body tells you that you're hungry. Also, carbs/sugar satiate the body much more than meats and fats. That's why desert is ALWAYS after the main course meal. If meats and fats were satiating, then the custom for diets wouldn't have deserts post-dinner.
Fact.
Carbs/sugar don't get stored as fat. That's a lie. The highest fat-causing diet is eating high dietary fats and carbs/sugar; but eating a carnivore/keto diet, also, causes obesity and other health problems. Carnivore/keto is, also, unsustainable because of low energy and, ultimately, craving for carbohydrates which leads to binge eating which, in combination with high dietary fats, will cause a person to explode in weight.
The carnivore/keto diet is meant to be a short-term thing. To "reset" your body from years of oil/sugar problems.
One could also "reset" using the Catholic fast...which is basically a high-carb diet.
High carb/sugar and very low dietary fat diet will induce body fat reduction. Guaranteed. It's biochemical law.
Fact. The "old fashioned" catholic fast was basically high-carbs. 0 fats (except from fish...which is good fat). And the only protein was (again) from fish.
The "old fashioned" fast (i.e. early 1900s and back) was this:
1) No Dairy. No milk. No cheese. No eggs. No animal products whatsoever. (i.e. no fats)
2) No protein (except fish, which has high omega 3s, the only good fat, but relatively a small amount).
3) Veggies, fruits, bread, pasta -- that was the basic meal.
Keep your dietary fat very low, and eat as much carbs/sugar as your body desires, and you will shed body fat - guaranteed. But you must avoid foods that contain both sugar/carbs and fats, too. People idiotically blame the sugar for causing them to get fat but it's the dietary fat in the same food causing the gain in weight.
Fact.
No athlete or fitness guru eats a high-fat diet. They eat "lean proteins" (chicken), veggies, rice, pasta, complex carbs etc. Fats are only added by supplement and in small quantities.
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Improved Glucose Tolerance with High Carbohydrate Feeding in Mild Diabetes
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197103112841004 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197103112841004)
A diet high in carbs & sugars, and low in fats, oils and animal protein, cures type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
To evaluate the effect of increased dietary carbohydrate in diabetes mellitus, glucose and immunoreactive insulin levels were measured in normal persons and subjects with mild diabetes maintained on basal (45 per cent carbohydrate) and high carbohydrate (85 per cent carbohydrate) diets. Fasting plasma glucose levels fell in all subjects and oral glucose tolerance (0 to 120-minute area) significantly improved after 10 days of high carbohydrate feeding. Fasting insulin levels also were lower on the high carbohydrate diet; however, insulin responses to oral glucose did not significantly change. These data suggest that the high carbohydrate diet increased the sensitivity of peripheral tissues to insulin.
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Wrong, you will gain body fat and weight but not as much as eating both fats and sugar.
There are plenty of people who have lost weight on the keto/carnivore. They just don't do it long-term, as its not sustainable.
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A prospective study of sugar intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12663565 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12663565)
Eating sugar and abstaining from fats, oils and excess animal protein cures type 2 diabetes in women.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To investigate prospectively whether intake of total or type of sugar is associated with the risk of developing type 2 diabetes. The contribution of sugar intake to the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes has not been settled in the context of primary prevention because of limited prospective data.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:
The Women's Health Study is a randomized controlled trial of aspirin and vitamin E in the prevention of cardiovascular disease and cancer. A validated semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire was completed by 39,345 women aged 45 years and older. The main outcome was the incidence of type 2 diabetes. The predictor was sugar intake, including sucrose, glucose, fructose, and lactose. Using Cox proportional hazard models, multivariate RRs of type 2 diabetes for increasing quintiles of sugar intake compared with the lowest quintile were estimated.
RESULTS:
Compared with the lowest quintile of sugar intake, the RRs and 95% CIs for the highest quintiles were 0.84 (0.67-1.04) for sucrose, 0.96 (0.78-1.19) for fructose, 1.04 (0.85-1.28) for glucose, and 0.99 (0.80-1.22) for lactose, after adjustment for known risk factors for type 2 diabetes. Similar findings of no association were obtained in subgroup analyses stratified by BMI.
CONCLUSIONS:
Intake of sugars does not appear to play a deleterious role in primary prevention of type 2 diabetes. These prospective data support the recent American Diabetes Association's guideline that a moderate amount of sugar can be incorporated in a healthy diet.
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Increased incidence of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus among Japanese schoolchildren correlates with an increased intake of animal protein and fat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492119 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492119)
Eat excess animal protein and fat, get type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
Non-insulin dependent diabetes (NIDDM) was diagnosed in 188 of more than 7 million Tokyo schoolchildren tested between 1974 and 1994 for glycosuria followed by oral glucose tolerance testing. The incidence rate of NIDDM in youth has continued to increase since 1976. While the daily energy intake has not changed significantly, the consumption of animal protein and fat by the Japanese population has greatly increased during the past two decades, and this change in diet, with low levels of physical activity, may exacerbate insulin resistance and glucose intolerance.
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A prospective study of red meat consumption and type 2 diabetes in middle-aged and elderly women: the women's health study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15333470 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15333470)
Eat red meat, get type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The aim of this study was to prospectively assess the relation between red meat intake and incidence of type 2 diabetes.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:
Over an average of 8.8 years, we evaluated 37,309 participants in the Women's Health Study aged >/=45 years who were free of cardiovascular disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes and completed validated semiquantitative food frequency questionnaires in 1993.
RESULTS:
During 326,876 person-years of follow-up, we docuмented 1,558 incident cases of type 2 diabetes. After adjusting for age, BMI, total energy intake, exercise, alcohol intake, cigarette smoking, and family history of diabetes, we found positive associations between intakes of red meat and processed meat and risk of type 2 diabetes. Comparing women in the highest quintile with those in the lowest quintile, the multivariate-adjusted relative risks (RRs) of type 2 diabetes were 1.28 for red meat (95% CI 1.07-1.53, P < 0.001 for trend) and 1.23 for processed meat intake (1.05-1.45, P = 0.001 for trend). Furthermore, the significantly increased diabetes risk appeared to be most pronounced for frequent consumption of total processed meat (RR 1.43, 95% CI 1.17-1.75 for >/=5/week vs. <1/month, P < 0.001 for trend) and two major subtypes, which were bacon (1.21, 1.06-1.39 for >/=2/week vs. <1/week, P = 0.004 for trend) and hot dogs (1.28, 1.09-1.50 for >/=2/week vs. <1/week, P = 0.003 for trend). These results remained significant after further adjustment for intakes of dietary fiber, magnesium, glycemic load, and total fat. Intakes of total cholesterol, animal protein, and heme iron were also significantly associated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our data indicate that higher consumption of total red meat, especially various processed meats, may increase risk of developing type 2 diabetes in women.
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Dietary composition and fat to sugar ratios in relation to obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521)
Eat sugar and abstain from fats, you will lose body fat.
Abstract
The aim of this work was to investigate the relationship between dietary composition and prevalent overweight and obesity in a middle-aged Scottish population. An age and sex stratified cross-sectional study was carried out of coronary risk factors and diet. This was based on a personal health and food frequency questionnaire with a clinic attendance for body measurements which included weight and height. The subjects were 11,626 men and women aged 25-64 who participated in the baseline Scottish Heart Health and MONICA studies. Those reporting to be on slimming diets were excluded. The subjects were contacted via ten general practitioners surgeries from each of 22 Scottish districts (12 Mainland Health Boards) surveyed during 1984-1986. The following were measured: (1) the prevalence of overweight (BMI 25-28.6 for women and 25-30 for men) and obesity (BMI > 28.6 for women, and > 30 for men) according to intake fifths of carbohydrates (starch, total, extrinsic, intrinsic and milk sugars) and fat to carbohydrate ratios; (2) the percentage of the variance in BMI explained by multivariate analysis models which included each of the sugar variables and total energy intake. The overall prevalence of overweight and obesity in the Scottish population were 43 and 11% for men and 38 and 14% for women respectively. Their prevalence increased from the lowest to the highest fifth of Fat:ES intake, respectively for men and women, from 5 to 18.5% and from 13 to 26%. The prevalence of overweight and obesity declined from the lowest to the highest fifth of total carbohydrate, total (TS) and extrinsic (ES) sugar intake.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).
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Insulin Deficiency and Insulin Inefficiency
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2177399/?page=1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2177399/?page=1)
Diet high in carbs & sugar, and low in fats, oils and animal protein, increases insulin SENSITIVITY, thereby, curing type 2 diabetes. Conversely, a diet high in fats, oils & animal protein, and low in carbs & sugar, increases insulin RESISTANCE, thereby causing type 2 diabetes. A diet high in both carbs/sugar & fats/oil/animal protein has a synergistic effect of maximizing insulin RESISTANCE, thereby, inducing, more expeditiously and intensely, type 2 diabetes, hypertension & obesity.
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The relation of the hypophysis to changes in sugar tolerance and insulin sensitivity induced by changes of diet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1395148/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1395148/)
A diet with moderate to high sugar, and low fats, oils & animal protein increases insulin sensitivity, thereby, helping prevent or cure type 2 diabetes.
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Carbohydrates, fat, and insulin action.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116551 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116551)
A diet high in carbs/sugar and low in fats, oils & animal protein induces insulin sensitivity. The effect of insulin sensitivity is helping prevent and cure type 2 diabetes. A diet high in fats, oils & animal protein induces insulin resistance, and this effect is a higher probability of type 2 diabetes, hypertension & obesity.
Abstract
Insulin resistance is a common disorder and is seen in many conditions that are associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease (eg, obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and cigarette smoking). The role of the diet, irrespective of degree of obesity, in modulating insulin sensitivity is uncertain. An extremely high carbohydrate-fat ratio improves insulin sensitivity whereas more moderate changes (40-60% carbohydrate) produce less convincing results. However, increased fasting concentrations of triglycerides and lower concentrations of high-density-lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol have frequently been seen with these diets, together with lower concentrations of low-density-lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol. High-carbohydrate diets based on foods with a low glycemic index combined with a high dietary fiber content should be evaluated. Such diets may produce the desired effects while they prevent unwanted increases in fasting triglyceride concentrations and lower HDL cholesterol.
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Dietary fats cause weight gain. So counting calories and calorie restriction are not measures of good health. The only thing to count* is grams of fat in the food that you're considering eating.
People idiotically blame the sugar for causing them to get fat but it's the dietary fat in the same food causing the gain in weight.
Our bodies are designed by God to get energy to maintain our bodies from either one of 2 sources: glucose from carbs or ketones from fat. Babies are born in ketosis (using fat for energy), so God designed us that way from birth. Ketosis (burning fat for energy)happens when we keep the carbs very low: 20 grams or less. Carnivore/Keto is a very low carb way of eating that causes us to burn ketones for energy. Contrary to what you are saying, the fat doesn't get stored, it is used to produce the energy all our cells need to function. However, if you are trying to eat carbs and carnivore/keto at the same time the body will run on glucose from carbs, and if there is a surplus, the sugar & fat will get stored.
The carnivore/keto way of eating is very healing, because the body gets all the nutrients it needs from meat, eggs, and diary, and animal fat (that are lacking in plant sources) and once you stop eating the things that are causing health issues, the body can release toxins and repair. A lot of people are dealing with health issues that are a result of fruits and vegetables that are high in oxylates. Before the 1970-80's people had a more balanced diet of meat and potatoes/or some other starch, and a small amount of vegetables. When the dietary guidelines were changed @ 1979 to reduce meat and diary, eggs, and animal fat, that is when the rates of heart disease and diabetes began to skyrocket. Diabetes was not at all common before that- now about 1 in 3 people has diabetes or is pre-diabetic. You don't get diabetes eating carnivore/keto, you find that it goes away. (Even for diabetics on insulin)
The traditional diet of the Eskimos was carnivore and especially high fat. There were not any fat Eskimos, until the standard American diet (SAD) of high carbs and sugar were introduced. They also started getting all the diseases that go along with that (SAD) diet. You could say the same about the American Indians. We are witnessing a terrible epidemic of obesity and disease that is unprecedented, with the processed foods that most people are eating, and the dietary guidelines of mainstream medicine & nutrition. The people who are moving towards carnivore/keto are trying to eat defensively in these times we live in. They experience freedom from addiction to sugar and carbs and real weight loss and healing. There is also no counting calories, but it is important to count protein and fat to make sure you are getting enough.
We got out of the Novus Ordo system of fake Catholicism by the Grace of God, and an openness to seek the Truth. It is the same journey in seeking the Truth of what to eat to maintain our bodies in health. People who have found the answer in the carnivore/keto way of eating are on that path.
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https://youtu.be/5W5w0WSBwDI
Dr. Gary Fettke is a Tasmanian Orthopedic Surgeon and vocal proponent of nutrition being a major component of prevention and management of modern disease.
He continues to defend the right to free speech and the right to question traditional (last 50 years) beliefs for the benefit of the community.
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I already posted the panel of doctors.
The fat you eat is the fat you wear.
Go be fat on someone else's time.
You mean that vegan doctor? Funny
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Our bodies are designed by God to get energy to maintain our bodies from either one of 2 sources: glucose from carbs or ketones from fat.
And the 3rd source: protein. But in the end, protein and fats get turned into glucose. The body runs on glucose. But each of the 3 types offer different nutritional values.
Babies are born in ketosis (using fat for energy), so God designed us that way from birth.
Babies also are fat. And have very little muscle. They need the extra fat to stay warm, as a person with low muscle is susceptible to cold.
Ketosis (burning fat for energy)happens when we keep the carbs very low: 20 grams or less. Carnivore/Keto is a very low carb way of eating that causes us to burn ketones for energy.
The fat gets turned into glucose and then used.
Contrary to what you are saying, the fat doesn't get stored, it is used to produce the energy all our cells need to function.
If you eat too much fat (this is where calories come in), you'll get fat on the keto diet.
However, if you are trying to eat carbs and carnivore/keto at the same time the body will run on glucose from carbs, and if there is a surplus, the sugar & fat will get stored.
Yes.
The carnivore/keto way of eating is very healing, because the body gets all the nutrients it needs from meat, eggs, and diary, and animal fat (that are lacking in plant sources) and once you stop eating the things that are causing health issues, the body can release toxins and repair.
True. But it's not the ONLY way of eating healthy.
A lot of people are dealing with health issues that are a result of fruits and vegetables that are high in oxylates. Before the 1970-80's people had a more balanced diet of meat and potatoes/or some other starch, and a small amount of vegetables. When the dietary guidelines were changed @ 1979 to reduce meat and diary, eggs, and animal fat, that is when the rates of heart disease and diabetes began to skyrocket. Diabetes was not at all common before that- now about 1 in 3 people has diabetes or is pre-diabetic. You don't get diabetes eating carnivore/keto, you find that it goes away. (Even for diabetics on insulin)
A lot has changed since the 70s/80s. Back in the 50s, people didn't eat as much meat as you think. They did have healthy fats (mostly butter).
The traditional diet of the Eskimos was carnivore and especially high fat. There were not any fat Eskimos,
:laugh1: Eskimos were fat. They needed the extra fat on their bodies for the cold weather.
until the standard American diet (SAD) of high carbs and sugar were introduced.
All Carbs aren't the enemy. As you pointed out about the pre-70s/80s, people ate potatoes/starches. Those are carbs.
Some carbs are bad. The processed kind. Corn Syrups were introduced in the 80s. As well as they screwed with breads and wheat. The Egyptians had all kinds of health problems after they introduced grains.
Fruits/veggie carbs are ok. Grains/processed sugars are the problem.
We got out of the Novus Ordo system of fake Catholicism by the Grace of God, and an openness to seek the Truth. It is the same journey in seeking the Truth of what to eat to maintain our bodies in health. People who have found the answer in the carnivore/keto way of eating are on that path.
I believe keto is a good diet to use. But it's not the only way to health. It's basically an "elimination diet" of wheat and bad carbs.
Lots of it depends on exercise level. It's hard to exercise intensely on keto. Good carbs are needed. Paleo is basically meat + good carbs (i.e. fruits/veggies).
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Look, it's Maria Regina. :laugh1: She went into hiding in shame and mental distress after she realized her discipleship to Q Anon was a big mistake.
Btw, ketones are an inferior and inefficient source of fuel for cells. That's like putting WD-40 into a gas tank of a car. Sure, it might run for a little bit, but real gasoline is what operates a car efficiently.
WD-40 = keytones
gasoline = sugar
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Look, it's Maria Regina. :laugh1: She went into hiding in shame and mental distress after she realized her discipleship to Q Anon was a big mistake.
Btw, ketones are an inferior and inefficient source of fuel for cells. That's like putting WD-40 into a gas tank of a car. Sure, it might run for a little bit, but real gasoline is what operates a car efficiently.
WD-40 = keytones
gasoline = sugar
Really? Says who?
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An archaeologic dig: a rice-fruit diet reverses ECG changes in hypertension.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24996514 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24996514)
Dietary intake of fruit & rice, and abstaining from fats, oils & excess animal protein, reverses hypertension and cures type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
In 1940, a young German refugee physician scientist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina began to treat patients with accelerated or "malignant" hypertension with a radical diet consisting of only white rice and fruit, with strikingly favorable results. He reported rapid reduction in blood pressure, rapid improvement in renal failure, papilledema, congestive heart failure and other manifestations of this previously fatal illness. This treatment was based on his theory that the kidney had both an excretory and a metabolic function, and that removing most of the sodium and protein burden from this organ enabled it to regain its normal ability to perform its more important metabolic functions. It was also effective in "ordinary" hypertension, in the absence of the dramatic vasculopathy of the accelerated form. The results were so dramatic that many experienced physicians suspected him of falsifying data. Among these results was the normalization of the ECG changes seen with hypertension. This paper reviews his published experience with this radical therapy, its controversial rise to fame, and its decline in popularity with the advent of effective antihypertensive drugs. It features the ECG changes seen in this then fatal disease, and the reversal of these changes by the rice diet. This treatment, though very difficult for the patient, produced effects which make it equal or superior to current multi-drug treatment of hypertension. A poorly known but important observation was that patients who were able to follow the regime, and who were slowly guided through a gradual modification of the diet over many months, were able to transition into a very tolerable low fat, largely vegetarian diet, while leading a normal, active life, without medications, indicating that the disease state had been permanently modified.
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Improved Glucose Tolerance with High Carbohydrate Feeding in Mild Diabetes
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197103112841004 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197103112841004)
A diet high in carbs & sugars, and low in fats, oils and animal protein, cures type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
To evaluate the effect of increased dietary carbohydrate in diabetes mellitus, glucose and immunoreactive insulin levels were measured in normal persons and subjects with mild diabetes maintained on basal (45 per cent carbohydrate) and high carbohydrate (85 per cent carbohydrate) diets. Fasting plasma glucose levels fell in all subjects and oral glucose tolerance (0 to 120-minute area) significantly improved after 10 days of high carbohydrate feeding. Fasting insulin levels also were lower on the high carbohydrate diet; however, insulin responses to oral glucose did not significantly change. These data suggest that the high carbohydrate diet increased the sensitivity of peripheral tissues to insulin.
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A prospective study of sugar intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12663565 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12663565)
Eating sugar and abstaining from fats, oils and excess animal protein cures type 2 diabetes in women.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To investigate prospectively whether intake of total or type of sugar is associated with the risk of developing type 2 diabetes. The contribution of sugar intake to the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes has not been settled in the context of primary prevention because of limited prospective data.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:
The Women's Health Study is a randomized controlled trial of aspirin and vitamin E in the prevention of cardiovascular disease and cancer. A validated semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire was completed by 39,345 women aged 45 years and older. The main outcome was the incidence of type 2 diabetes. The predictor was sugar intake, including sucrose, glucose, fructose, and lactose. Using Cox proportional hazard models, multivariate RRs of type 2 diabetes for increasing quintiles of sugar intake compared with the lowest quintile were estimated.
RESULTS:
Compared with the lowest quintile of sugar intake, the RRs and 95% CIs for the highest quintiles were 0.84 (0.67-1.04) for sucrose, 0.96 (0.78-1.19) for fructose, 1.04 (0.85-1.28) for glucose, and 0.99 (0.80-1.22) for lactose, after adjustment for known risk factors for type 2 diabetes. Similar findings of no association were obtained in subgroup analyses stratified by BMI.
CONCLUSIONS:
Intake of sugars does not appear to play a deleterious role in primary prevention of type 2 diabetes. These prospective data support the recent American Diabetes Association's guideline that a moderate amount of sugar can be incorporated in a healthy diet.
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Increased incidence of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus among Japanese schoolchildren correlates with an increased intake of animal protein and fat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492119 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492119)
Eat excess animal protein and fat, get type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
Non-insulin dependent diabetes (NIDDM) was diagnosed in 188 of more than 7 million Tokyo schoolchildren tested between 1974 and 1994 for glycosuria followed by oral glucose tolerance testing. The incidence rate of NIDDM in youth has continued to increase since 1976. While the daily energy intake has not changed significantly, the consumption of animal protein and fat by the Japanese population has greatly increased during the past two decades, and this change in diet, with low levels of physical activity, may exacerbate insulin resistance and glucose intolerance.
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A prospective study of red meat consumption and type 2 diabetes in middle-aged and elderly women: the women's health study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15333470 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15333470)
Eat red meat, get type 2 diabetes.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The aim of this study was to prospectively assess the relation between red meat intake and incidence of type 2 diabetes.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:
Over an average of 8.8 years, we evaluated 37,309 participants in the Women's Health Study aged >/=45 years who were free of cardiovascular disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes and completed validated semiquantitative food frequency questionnaires in 1993.
RESULTS:
During 326,876 person-years of follow-up, we docuмented 1,558 incident cases of type 2 diabetes. After adjusting for age, BMI, total energy intake, exercise, alcohol intake, cigarette smoking, and family history of diabetes, we found positive associations between intakes of red meat and processed meat and risk of type 2 diabetes. Comparing women in the highest quintile with those in the lowest quintile, the multivariate-adjusted relative risks (RRs) of type 2 diabetes were 1.28 for red meat (95% CI 1.07-1.53, P < 0.001 for trend) and 1.23 for processed meat intake (1.05-1.45, P = 0.001 for trend). Furthermore, the significantly increased diabetes risk appeared to be most pronounced for frequent consumption of total processed meat (RR 1.43, 95% CI 1.17-1.75 for >/=5/week vs. <1/month, P < 0.001 for trend) and two major subtypes, which were bacon (1.21, 1.06-1.39 for >/=2/week vs. <1/week, P = 0.004 for trend) and hot dogs (1.28, 1.09-1.50 for >/=2/week vs. <1/week, P = 0.003 for trend). These results remained significant after further adjustment for intakes of dietary fiber, magnesium, glycemic load, and total fat. Intakes of total cholesterol, animal protein, and heme iron were also significantly associated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our data indicate that higher consumption of total red meat, especially various processed meats, may increase risk of developing type 2 diabetes in women.
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Dietary composition and fat to sugar ratios in relation to obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521)
Eat sugar and abstain from fats, you will lose body fat.
Abstract
The aim of this work was to investigate the relationship between dietary composition and prevalent overweight and obesity in a middle-aged Scottish population. An age and sex stratified cross-sectional study was carried out of coronary risk factors and diet. This was based on a personal health and food frequency questionnaire with a clinic attendance for body measurements which included weight and height. The subjects were 11,626 men and women aged 25-64 who participated in the baseline Scottish Heart Health and MONICA studies. Those reporting to be on slimming diets were excluded. The subjects were contacted via ten general practitioners surgeries from each of 22 Scottish districts (12 Mainland Health Boards) surveyed during 1984-1986. The following were measured: (1) the prevalence of overweight (BMI 25-28.6 for women and 25-30 for men) and obesity (BMI > 28.6 for women, and > 30 for men) according to intake fifths of carbohydrates (starch, total, extrinsic, intrinsic and milk sugars) and fat to carbohydrate ratios; (2) the percentage of the variance in BMI explained by multivariate analysis models which included each of the sugar variables and total energy intake. The overall prevalence of overweight and obesity in the Scottish population were 43 and 11% for men and 38 and 14% for women respectively. Their prevalence increased from the lowest to the highest fifth of Fat:ES intake, respectively for men and women, from 5 to 18.5% and from 13 to 26%. The prevalence of overweight and obesity declined from the lowest to the highest fifth of total carbohydrate, total (TS) and extrinsic (ES) sugar intake.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).
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Insulin Deficiency and Insulin Inefficiency
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2177399/?page=1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2177399/?page=1)
Diet high in carbs & sugar, and low in fats, oils and animal protein, increases insulin SENSITIVITY, thereby, curing type 2 diabetes. Conversely, a diet high in fats, oils & animal protein, and low in carbs & sugar, increases insulin RESISTANCE, thereby causing type 2 diabetes. A diet high in both carbs/sugar & fats/oil/animal protein has a synergistic effect of maximizing insulin RESISTANCE, thereby, inducing, more expeditiously and intensely, type 2 diabetes, hypertension & obesity.
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The relation of the hypophysis to changes in sugar tolerance and insulin sensitivity induced by changes of diet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1395148/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1395148/)
A diet with moderate to high sugar, and low fats, oils & animal protein increases insulin sensitivity, thereby, helping prevent or cure type 2 diabetes.
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Carbohydrates, fat, and insulin action.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116551 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116551)
A diet high in carbs/sugar and low in fats, oils & animal protein induces insulin sensitivity. The effect of insulin sensitivity is helping prevent and cure type 2 diabetes. A diet high in fats, oils & animal protein induces insulin resistance, and this effect is a higher probability of type 2 diabetes, hypertension & obesity.
Abstract
Insulin resistance is a common disorder and is seen in many conditions that are associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease (eg, obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and cigarette smoking). The role of the diet, irrespective of degree of obesity, in modulating insulin sensitivity is uncertain. An extremely high carbohydrate-fat ratio improves insulin sensitivity whereas more moderate changes (40-60% carbohydrate) produce less convincing results. However, increased fasting concentrations of triglycerides and lower concentrations of high-density-lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol have frequently been seen with these diets, together with lower concentrations of low-density-lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol. High-carbohydrate diets based on foods with a low glycemic index combined with a high dietary fiber content should be evaluated. Such diets may produce the desired effects while they prevent unwanted increases in fasting triglyceride concentrations and lower HDL cholesterol.
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:facepalm: Don't know what else to say so I'm done here, amazing he actually believes all this sugar rubbish
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Dietary composition and fat to sugar ratios in relation to obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521)
Eat sugar and abstain from fats, you will lose body fat.
Right from of the link you sent:
PMC and PubMed also include preprints reporting NIH-supported research in support of the NIH Preprint Pilot (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/about/nihpreprints/). As preprints are interim research products that have not been peer reviewed, readers should be aware that any aspect of the research, including the results and conclusions, may change as a result of peer review.
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:facepalm: Don't know what else to say so I'm done here, amazing he actually believes all this sugar rubbish
All you have are vacuous, lame comments. Nothing substantive. I've posted much evidence to support my posits. You lose. Truth wins.
Enjoy being fat, low energy, diabetic, stressed and depressed the rest of your life. :smirk:
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All you have are vacuous, lame comments. Nothing substantive. I've posted much evidence to support my posits. You lose. Truth wins.
Enjoy being fat, low energy, diabetic, stressed and depressed the rest of your life. :smirk:
Truth always wins...all you provided were glorified opinions with no evidence, still waiting on a randomized clinical trial. I'll save you some time...that type of study doesn't exist, goodnight, my ribeye with bacon awaits.
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I already provided it. You're lying and in denial. Neat projection of your failure to provide anything. You lose, fatso. :laugh1:
You lose fatso?
#1 How old are you?
#2 That's your best comeback?
#3 Truth be known, I'm not fat, not even close
What else you got?
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This thread has provided lots of food for thought :laugh1:
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This thread has provided lots of food for thought :laugh1:
Maria Regina, you couldn't run 3 kilometers in under 30 mintues because of your diet. You need to think about that.
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You lose fatso?
#1 How old are you?
#2 That's your best comeback?
#3 Truth be known, I'm not fat, not even close
What else you got?
What's your body fat %? I'm single digit. I bet you couldn't even run a mile in under 10 minutes because of your diet.
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No sugar = low energy and diseased
Low energy and diseased = more controllable
That's one reason for the sugarphobia campaign in the past 50 years. They want you to have low energy, be diseased and depressed because it makes you more controllable. Also, all of the sugarfree artificial sweetners cause cancer. That's done on purpose.
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No sugar = low energy and diseased
Low energy and diseased = more controllable
That's one reason for the sugarphobia campaign in the past 50 years. They want you to have low energy, be diseased and depressed because it makes you more controllable. Also, all of the sugarfree artificial sweetners cause cancer. That's done on purpose.
As I prepare for the Lenten season, I’ve made the choice to ignore any nonsense I may come across…thanks to you I’ve found the nonsense I need to ignore
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As I prepare for the Lenten season, I’ve made the choice to ignore any nonsense I may come across…thanks to you I’ve found the nonsense I need to ignore
So you make reference to the Holy Season as a means to verbally spite a stranger on the internet simply because I am pro-sugar and anti-fats .... thanks for revealing your false piety and your true spirit.
Oh, again, what's your body fat %? :smirk:
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As I prepare for the Lenten season, I’ve made the choice to ignore any nonsense I may come across…thanks to you I’ve found the nonsense I need to ignore
The Traditional Lenten fast includes 0% fat (unless it comes from fish, as part of your main meal), so...
...that means you can try out the low-fat diet and see how you feel.
...There's a reason why a fast includes 0% fat...(lenten fast or any health fast ever invented)...
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The Traditional Lenten fast includes 0% fat (unless it comes from fish, as part of your main meal), so...
...that means you can try out the low-fat diet and see how you feel.
...There's a reason why a fast includes 0% fat...(lenten fast or any health fast ever invented)...
Nuts have fats... Unless nuts were also banned in old lent fast. I would say olive too but that was banned.
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In pre-WW2 times, society ate what was “in season”. Nuts were picked in the fall and ate in the winter. By spring/lent time, nuts had gone bad. There was no global trade industry to get nuts shipped from S.America to US grocery stores.
Peanut butter wasn’t invented until WW2, for soldiers. Eating nuts/nut oils outside of fall/winter isn’t natural or historical. Or available.
If humans went back to eating what is “in season” they’d be healthier. In the hot summer months, it’s healthier to avoid oily foods because the more you weigh, the hotter you’ll get. And fats slow you down, which wasn’t helpful when the farm work needed to get done. And what foods are plentiful in hot months? Fruits. 0% oil. 0 proteins. Pure energy.
Sure, eggs were always available on a farm, but those are relatively low in oil. Mostly protein. And all protein in lent is forbidden, except fish. Fish does have oils, but it’s high omega 3s and fish oil doesn’t have the concupiscent effect on the body that animal oils do.
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Guys are packet noodles good for you? They taste great, are cheap and convenient, and are usually around 400 calories a pack.
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Guys are packet noodles good for you? They taste great, are cheap and convenient, and are usually around 400 calories a pack.
Don't worry about calories. Calories don't cause body fat. Dietary fat causes body fat.
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KI’m overweight and I have diabetes. Much of my problem is portion.
I never had a weight problem when I younger. I drank milk and ate some meat, pasta, salad and raw veggies. I also biked a lot and ran 10 miles almost every day until I hurt my ankle. Then I packed on weight and had a desk job.
When I got married, I moved to an area where most people are unhealthy. I picked up some bad eating habits.
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Don't worry about calories. Calories don't cause body fat. Dietary fat causes body fat.
Don't excess calories cause fat as well? If I ate 1200 calories of just sugar, and only used up 500 calories, then the rest would be stored in the fat cells. Right?
I really do think you are over simplifying this.
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Don't excess calories cause fat as well? If I ate 1200 calories of just sugar, and only used up 500 calories, then the rest would be stored in the fat cells. Right?
I really do think you are over simplifying this.
No. It can't be stored as fat. Sugar can't be converted to fat. You would convert the sugar to glucose which is subsequently converted to glycogen which is stored in muscle. The 500 calories you "used up" is expended as energy. The remaining glycogen in muscle is fuel reserve.
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No. It can't be stored as fat. Sugar can't be converted to fat. You would convert the sugar to glucose which is subsequently converted to glycogen which is stored in muscle. The 500 calories you "used up" is expended as energy. The remaining glycogen in muscle is fuel reserve.
Avoid/limit sugar and you’ll be better off
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No. It can't be stored as fat. Sugar can't be converted to fat. You would convert the sugar to glucose which is subsequently converted to glycogen which is stored in muscle. The 500 calories you "used up" is expended as energy. The remaining glycogen in muscle is fuel reserve.
Ok, but storing glycogen long term is not good either.
https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/new-study-suggests-excess-glycogen-may-cause-metabolic-syndrome
This is why I don't think there is one size fits all solution.
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Avoid/limit sugar and you’ll be better off
Nonsense. Avoid/limit dietary fat and you won't get fat, diabetic, heart disease, etc.
You can eat limitless sugar as long as your dietary fat is very low, and you'll be far better off.