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Offline jersey60

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Re: For better health
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2025, 11:34:46 AM »
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  • This nonsense on eating sugar is getting comical, it really is!
    Dietary fat doesn’t cause obesity and it never has.

    Still waiting on sources for the nonsense you’re dolling out, but then again I know the sources do not exist…now…for your next comedy take…

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #91 on: February 19, 2025, 11:47:49 AM »
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    Dietary fat doesn’t cause obesity and it never has.
    If you mix fat with sugar, you will gain weight.  FACT. 


    If you eat meat/fat ONLY, you can lose weight.  

    You're missing the distinction.  
    -  You can go high-carb/super low fat and lose weight (what athletes do).  ...or...
    -  You can go high-fat/protein/super low carb and lose weight (i.e. Keto).

    Pick one.  If you mix fats and sugars, (especially plant fats) you will gain weight and have health issues.


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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #92 on: February 19, 2025, 11:54:05 AM »
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  • This nonsense on eating sugar is getting comical, it really is!
    Dietary fat doesn’t cause obesity and it never has.

    Still waiting on sources for the nonsense you’re dolling out, but then again I know the sources do not exist…now…for your next comedy take…
    I already posted the panel of doctors. 
    The fat you eat is the fat you wear. 
    Go be fat on someone else's time. 

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #93 on: February 19, 2025, 11:54:39 AM »
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  • If you eat meat/fat ONLY, you can lose weight. 
    Wrong, you will gain body fat and weight but not as much as eating both fats and sugar. 

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #94 on: February 19, 2025, 11:55:39 AM »
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  • An archaeologic dig: a rice-fruit diet reverses ECG changes in hypertension.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24996514

    Dietary intake of fruit & rice, and abstaining from fats, oils & excess animal protein, reverses hypertension and cures type 2 diabetes.

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    In 1940, a young German refugee physician scientist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina began to treat patients with accelerated or "malignant" hypertension with a radical diet consisting of only white rice and fruit, with strikingly favorable results. He reported rapid reduction in blood pressure, rapid improvement in renal failure, papilledema, congestive heart failure and other manifestations of this previously fatal illness. This treatment was based on his theory that the kidney had both an excretory and a metabolic function, and that removing most of the sodium and protein burden from this organ enabled it to regain its normal ability to perform its more important metabolic functions. It was also effective in "ordinary" hypertension, in the absence of the dramatic vasculopathy of the accelerated form. The results were so dramatic that many experienced physicians suspected him of falsifying data. Among these results was the normalization of the ECG changes seen with hypertension. This paper reviews his published experience with this radical therapy, its controversial rise to fame, and its decline in popularity with the advent of effective antihypertensive drugs. It features the ECG changes seen in this then fatal disease, and the reversal of these changes by the rice diet. This treatment, though very difficult for the patient, produced effects which make it equal or superior to current multi-drug treatment of hypertension. A poorly known but important observation was that patients who were able to follow the regime, and who were slowly guided through a gradual modification of the diet over many months, were able to transition into a very tolerable low fat, largely vegetarian diet, while leading a normal, active life, without medications, indicating that the disease state had been permanently modified.




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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #95 on: February 19, 2025, 11:56:19 AM »
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    Your flair ups were due to the combination of eating high dietary fats with carbs/sugar. It's not the carbs/sugar per se causing it. It's the interaction of high fats and glucose in the blood causing it. The fats are to blame, just like the fats smother insulin receptors, thereby, causing type 2 diabetes.
    Fact.

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    You can't have too much juice or sugary foods, as long as you keep your dietary fats very low. If you keep your dietary fats very low, you can eat as much carbs and sugar as you desire - as much as your body tells you that you're hungry. Also, carbs/sugar satiate the body much more than meats and fats. That's why desert is ALWAYS after the main course meal. If meats and fats were satiating, then the custom for diets wouldn't have deserts post-dinner.
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    Carbs/sugar don't get stored as fat. That's a lie. The highest fat-causing diet is eating high dietary fats and carbs/sugar; but eating a carnivore/keto diet, also, causes obesity and other health problems. Carnivore/keto is, also, unsustainable because of low energy and, ultimately, craving for carbohydrates which leads to binge eating which, in combination with high dietary fats, will cause a person to explode in weight.
    The carnivore/keto diet is meant to be a short-term thing.  To "reset" your body from years of oil/sugar problems.  

    One could also "reset" using the Catholic fast...which is basically a high-carb diet.

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    High carb/sugar and very low dietary fat diet will induce body fat reduction. Guaranteed. It's biochemical law. 

    Fact.  The "old fashioned" catholic fast was basically high-carbs.  0 fats (except from fish...which is good fat).  And the only protein was (again) from fish.

    The "old fashioned" fast (i.e. early 1900s and back) was this:
    1)  No Dairy.  No milk.  No cheese.  No eggs.  No animal products whatsoever.  (i.e. no fats)
    2)  No protein (except fish, which has high omega 3s, the only good fat, but relatively a small amount).
    3)  Veggies, fruits, bread, pasta -- that was the basic meal.


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    Keep your dietary fat very low, and eat as much carbs/sugar as your body desires, and you will shed body fat - guaranteed. But you must avoid foods that contain both sugar/carbs and fats, too. People idiotically blame the sugar for causing them to get fat but it's the dietary fat in the same food causing the gain in weight.
    Fact.

    No athlete or fitness guru eats a high-fat diet.  They eat "lean proteins" (chicken), veggies, rice, pasta, complex carbs etc.  Fats are only added by supplement and in small quantities.

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #96 on: February 19, 2025, 11:56:57 AM »
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  • Improved Glucose Tolerance with High Carbohydrate Feeding in Mild Diabetes

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM197103112841004

    A diet high in carbs & sugars, and low in fats, oils and animal protein, cures type 2 diabetes.

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    To evaluate the effect of increased dietary carbohydrate in diabetes mellitus, glucose and immunoreactive insulin levels were measured in normal persons and subjects with mild diabetes maintained on basal (45 per cent carbohydrate) and high carbohydrate (85 per cent carbohydrate) diets. Fasting plasma glucose levels fell in all subjects and oral glucose tolerance (0 to 120-minute area) significantly improved after 10 days of high carbohydrate feeding. Fasting insulin levels also were lower on the high carbohydrate diet; however, insulin responses to oral glucose did not significantly change. These data suggest that the high carbohydrate diet increased the sensitivity of peripheral tissues to insulin.



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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #97 on: February 19, 2025, 11:58:35 AM »
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    Wrong, you will gain body fat and weight but not as much as eating both fats and sugar. 
    There are plenty of people who have lost weight on the keto/carnivore.  They just don't do it long-term, as its not sustainable.  


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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #98 on: February 19, 2025, 11:59:03 AM »
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  • A prospective study of sugar intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in women.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12663565

    Eating sugar and abstaining from fats, oils and excess animal protein cures type 2 diabetes in women.

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    OBJECTIVE:
    To investigate prospectively whether intake of total or type of sugar is associated with the risk of developing type 2 diabetes. The contribution of sugar intake to the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes has not been settled in the context of primary prevention because of limited prospective data.

    RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:
    The Women's Health Study is a randomized controlled trial of aspirin and vitamin E in the prevention of cardiovascular disease and cancer. A validated semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire was completed by 39,345 women aged 45 years and older. The main outcome was the incidence of type 2 diabetes. The predictor was sugar intake, including sucrose, glucose, fructose, and lactose. Using Cox proportional hazard models, multivariate RRs of type 2 diabetes for increasing quintiles of sugar intake compared with the lowest quintile were estimated.

    RESULTS:
    Compared with the lowest quintile of sugar intake, the RRs and 95% CIs for the highest quintiles were 0.84 (0.67-1.04) for sucrose, 0.96 (0.78-1.19) for fructose, 1.04 (0.85-1.28) for glucose, and 0.99 (0.80-1.22) for lactose, after adjustment for known risk factors for type 2 diabetes. Similar findings of no association were obtained in subgroup analyses stratified by BMI.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    Intake of sugars does not appear to play a deleterious role in primary prevention of type 2 diabetes. These prospective data support the recent American Diabetes Association's guideline that a moderate amount of sugar can be incorporated in a healthy diet.



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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #99 on: February 19, 2025, 11:59:53 AM »
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  • Increased incidence of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus among Japanese schoolchildren correlates with an increased intake of animal protein and fat.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492119

    Eat excess animal protein and fat, get type 2 diabetes.

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    Non-insulin dependent diabetes (NIDDM) was diagnosed in 188 of more than 7 million Tokyo schoolchildren tested between 1974 and 1994 for glycosuria followed by oral glucose tolerance testing. The incidence rate of NIDDM in youth has continued to increase since 1976. While the daily energy intake has not changed significantly, the consumption of animal protein and fat by the Japanese population has greatly increased during the past two decades, and this change in diet, with low levels of physical activity, may exacerbate insulin resistance and glucose intolerance.



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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #100 on: February 19, 2025, 12:01:28 PM »
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  • A prospective study of red meat consumption and type 2 diabetes in middle-aged and elderly women: the women's health study.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15333470

    Eat red meat, get type 2 diabetes.

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    OBJECTIVE:
    The aim of this study was to prospectively assess the relation between red meat intake and incidence of type 2 diabetes.

    RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:
    Over an average of 8.8 years, we evaluated 37,309 participants in the Women's Health Study aged >/=45 years who were free of cardiovascular disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes and completed validated semiquantitative food frequency questionnaires in 1993.

    RESULTS:
    During 326,876 person-years of follow-up, we docuмented 1,558 incident cases of type 2 diabetes. After adjusting for age, BMI, total energy intake, exercise, alcohol intake, cigarette smoking, and family history of diabetes, we found positive associations between intakes of red meat and processed meat and risk of type 2 diabetes. Comparing women in the highest quintile with those in the lowest quintile, the multivariate-adjusted relative risks (RRs) of type 2 diabetes were 1.28 for red meat (95% CI 1.07-1.53, P < 0.001 for trend) and 1.23 for processed meat intake (1.05-1.45, P = 0.001 for trend). Furthermore, the significantly increased diabetes risk appeared to be most pronounced for frequent consumption of total processed meat (RR 1.43, 95% CI 1.17-1.75 for >/=5/week vs. <1/month, P < 0.001 for trend) and two major subtypes, which were bacon (1.21, 1.06-1.39 for >/=2/week vs. <1/week, P = 0.004 for trend) and hot dogs (1.28, 1.09-1.50 for >/=2/week vs. <1/week, P = 0.003 for trend). These results remained significant after further adjustment for intakes of dietary fiber, magnesium, glycemic load, and total fat. Intakes of total cholesterol, animal protein, and heme iron were also significantly associated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    Our data indicate that higher consumption of total red meat, especially various processed meats, may increase risk of developing type 2 diabetes in women.




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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #101 on: February 19, 2025, 12:03:50 PM »
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  • Dietary composition and fat to sugar ratios in relation to obesity.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7894521

    Eat sugar and abstain from fats, you will lose body fat.


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    The aim of this work was to investigate the relationship between dietary composition and prevalent overweight and obesity in a middle-aged Scottish population. An age and sex stratified cross-sectional study was carried out of coronary risk factors and diet. This was based on a personal health and food frequency questionnaire with a clinic attendance for body measurements which included weight and height. The subjects were 11,626 men and women aged 25-64 who participated in the baseline Scottish Heart Health and MONICA studies. Those reporting to be on slimming diets were excluded. The subjects were contacted via ten general practitioners surgeries from each of 22 Scottish districts (12 Mainland Health Boards) surveyed during 1984-1986. The following were measured: (1) the prevalence of overweight (BMI 25-28.6 for women and 25-30 for men) and obesity (BMI > 28.6 for women, and > 30 for men) according to intake fifths of carbohydrates (starch, total, extrinsic, intrinsic and milk sugars) and fat to carbohydrate ratios; (2) the percentage of the variance in BMI explained by multivariate analysis models which included each of the sugar variables and total energy intake. The overall prevalence of overweight and obesity in the Scottish population were 43 and 11% for men and 38 and 14% for women respectively. Their prevalence increased from the lowest to the highest fifth of Fat:ES intake, respectively for men and women, from 5 to 18.5% and from 13 to 26%. The prevalence of overweight and obesity declined from the lowest to the highest fifth of total carbohydrate, total (TS) and extrinsic (ES) sugar intake.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).



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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #102 on: February 19, 2025, 12:04:24 PM »
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  • Insulin Deficiency and Insulin Inefficiency

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2177399/?page=1

    Diet high in carbs & sugar, and low in fats, oils and animal protein, increases insulin SENSITIVITY, thereby, curing type 2 diabetes. Conversely, a diet high in fats, oils & animal protein, and low in carbs & sugar, increases insulin RESISTANCE, thereby causing type 2 diabetes. A diet high in both carbs/sugar & fats/oil/animal protein has a synergistic effect of maximizing insulin RESISTANCE, thereby, inducing, more expeditiously and intensely, type 2 diabetes, hypertension & obesity.

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #103 on: February 19, 2025, 12:05:17 PM »
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  • The relation of the hypophysis to changes in sugar tolerance and insulin sensitivity induced by changes of diet

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1395148/

    A diet with moderate to high sugar, and low fats, oils & animal protein increases insulin sensitivity, thereby, helping prevent or cure type 2 diabetes.


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    « Reply #104 on: February 19, 2025, 12:06:15 PM »
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  • Carbohydrates, fat, and insulin action.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116551

    A diet high in carbs/sugar and low in fats, oils & animal protein induces insulin sensitivity. The effect of insulin sensitivity is helping prevent and cure type 2 diabetes. A diet high in fats, oils & animal protein induces insulin resistance, and this effect is a higher probability of type 2 diabetes, hypertension & obesity.

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    Insulin resistance is a common disorder and is seen in many conditions that are associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease (eg, obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and cigarette smoking). The role of the diet, irrespective of degree of obesity, in modulating insulin sensitivity is uncertain. An extremely high carbohydrate-fat ratio improves insulin sensitivity whereas more moderate changes (40-60% carbohydrate) produce less convincing results. However, increased fasting concentrations of triglycerides and lower concentrations of high-density-lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol have frequently been seen with these diets, together with lower concentrations of low-density-lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol. High-carbohydrate diets based on foods with a low glycemic index combined with a high dietary fiber content should be evaluated. Such diets may produce the desired effects while they prevent unwanted increases in fasting triglyceride concentrations and lower HDL cholesterol.