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Offline jersey60

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Re: For better health
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2025, 03:00:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on February 15, 2025, 08:08:25 AM
    Asians and Africans are the leanest people on the planet, and their diet is high carb, low fat. White rice is their staple. You don't live in reality.

    White table sugar is exactly the same on a molecular level as sugars in a freshly picked strawberry or any other fruit. Sugar is a nutrient. Shed yourself of your prejudice against sugar.

    The meat and dairy that you eat is REFINED, too, unless you're less than one percent of the population who harvests their own game, processes it and eats it. The anti-refined argument by people when they're eating refined food is a fallacy, and they don't even realize they're committing it. The steak you buy from the butcher at the grocery store is refined, too.

    You do what you do. You need caffeine and other stimulants to get you through the day. Your sugar phobia is a mental problem. Every person I've ever met who has a sugar phobia has mental issues.

    I'll do what I do - stay lean, fit, energetic and strong while I enjoy God's greatest nutrient - sugar.
    You're lost and wrong, have a great day!
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #46 on: February 15, 2025, 04:15:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on February 15, 2025, 01:31:00 PM
    From now on, I eat only loaves and fishes, perhaps I can splurge on locusts and wild honey. I’ll dress like a Marian apparition, my transportation limited to foot—-both land and sea, non-motorized boat, and donkey.

    I L-U-V being “nithe” and facetious.
    My comment was not some Pollyanna nonsense.

    I mean look at what He ate, and apply it to modern standards. Likely, He ate mostly carbs in the form of flatbread and fruits, then greens and herbs, lastly some meat. Edit to add: also fish of course! 

    Walking more would do many American fatties some good.
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #47 on: February 15, 2025, 04:42:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: JMarie on February 15, 2025, 04:15:07 PM
    My comment was not some Pollyanna nonsense.

    I mean look at what He ate, and apply it to modern standards. Likely, He ate mostly carbs in the form of flatbread and fruits, then greens and herbs, lastly some meat. Edit to add: also fish of course!

    Walking more would do many American fatties some good.
    This response is not to you personally, it’s in response to the usual derailing of so many CI threads into petty and fruitless (pun intended) arguments. Sorry you took it that way.
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #48 on: February 15, 2025, 07:35:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on February 15, 2025, 01:31:00 PM
    From now on, I eat only loaves and fishes, perhaps I can splurge on locusts and wild honey. I’ll dress like a Marian apparition, my transportation limited to foot—-both land and sea, non-motorized boat, and donkey.

    I L-U-V being “nithe” and facetious.
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #49 on: February 16, 2025, 11:41:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: jersey60 on February 15, 2025, 03:00:08 PM
    You're lost and wrong, have a great day!

    Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day? 

    Are these panel of doctors wrong, too?

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #50 on: February 16, 2025, 04:27:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on February 16, 2025, 11:41:03 AM
    Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?

    Are these panel of doctors wrong, too?


    The video is from this channel:


    Keto Fatty
    @Keto_Fatty_Syndicate
    About:
    "I'm on a carnivore and keto diet. I struggle with fat issues, anxiety, irritability and mental depression. I have low energy. I drink a bunch of coffee and I take stimulants to get me through the day. I have trouble sleeping. My cortisol levels are high. I sometimes starve myself down to "normal" weight while I consume a bunch of (disease-causing) diet pills, and I dishonestly credit my carnivore/keto diet for it. I refuse to accept the truth that my health issues are due to my sugar phobia and high consumption of fatty foods and animal products. I refuse to accept sugar greatly reduces cortisol levels. SUGAR IS WHITE DEATH !!"

    The channel only has 2 videos: the one posted above and another a cartoon on "Anti-racist Hitler"
    More about Dr. McDougall who is in the clip on the video:
    wiki:
    John A. McDougall (May 17, 1947 – June 22, 2024) was an American physician and author, who died at the age of 77.
    In 1992, nutritionist Kurt Butler described McDougall's ideas as "vegetarian extremism" and McDougall as "Americas most influential vegan zealot" who has taken the low-fat vegetarian diet to extremes.
    The McDougall diet is very low-fat, high-carbohydrate and vegan. Sodium intake is restricted and animal products, added oils, processed foods (ie: white sugar),alcoholic beverages and caffeinated drinks are not permitted. The McDougall diet is severe restriction of dietary fat with the avoidance of vegetable oils, nuts, seeds and avocados. The diet is 90% starch-based.  It is based on a variety of starches such as rice, potatoes, corn, breads, pasta with fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables.
    McDougall acknowledges that sugar can cause immediate changes in the brain's chemistry, similar to those seen after the use of narcotics, producing heightened pleasure. However, he does not advocate for the excessive consumption of refined sugars, which can lead to dependency and adverse health effects.  McDougall recommends consuming sugars in their natural forms found in unprocessed starches, vegetables, and fruits. 

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-mcdougall-diet/
    Dr. Harriet Hall:
    Dr. McDougall is a maverick who disagrees with most experts. He recommends a high starch, low fat diet with no dairy or animal foods and other prohibitions. Its severe restrictions make it nutritionally questionable and it has never been properly tested in a controlled study.

     I assumed he must have found convincing evidence to support his claims. I read his book  Many claims were made without supporting evidence. Evidence appeared only twice:
    • In Chapter 3, he says “Scientific support for the material in this chapter” can be found in another of his books, , published in 1984.
    • Part 3 covers dietary and lifestyle treatment of medical conditions and is followed by a section of references applying to the material in Part 3.

     He says that for most of his patients with MS, the progress of MS symptoms has been halted. He cites a study by Dr. Roy Swank, saying he treated more than 3,000 MS patients with a low fat diet; he says Swank’s results are unchallenged by other studies and are unmatched in effectiveness. Swank’s study began in 1949 and his results for 144 patients were published in  in 1990. There was no control group. And his results certainly have been challenged, repeatedly. A recent study reported decreased subjective self-reports of fatigue but “no significant improvement on brain MRI, relapse rate or disability”.

    “Before you accept a claim, try to find out who disagrees with it and why.” In this case, pretty much all health care providers and nutrition experts disagree, and they have a very good reason: they follow the published evidence. How likely is it that they are all wrong and this one individual is the only one to get it right? Not very. McDougall claims there is “overwhelming evidence” to support his diet. An article on SkepticBlog has fun with his claim that dairy food causes all disease:

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    Quote And the science is overwhelming! Well, if this guy says so, it must be true. But I wonder how he has come to this conclusion, since McDougall has not managed to convince any meaningful percentage of the medical community that outrageous claims are anything other than quackery. This total failure constitutes “overwhelming science”?
    That article goes on to point out that the preponderance of published research supports exactly the opposite of what McDougall claims. Nutritionist Kurt Butler agrees, saying that while McDougall backs up his claims with published medical studies, his interpretations of those studies are often at odds with the studies’ authors.

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #51 on: February 16, 2025, 04:39:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Persto on February 16, 2025, 04:27:13 PM
    The video is from this channel: [...]
    I know, can you believe it? What better approach than to mix truth with humor? :smirk:
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #52 on: February 16, 2025, 06:36:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on February 16, 2025, 11:41:03 AM
    Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?

    Are these panel of doctors wrong, too?


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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #53 on: February 17, 2025, 03:56:56 PM »
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    • George Foreman credits carbohydrates (and God) for slimming down and his heavyweight championship victory.

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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #54 on: February 17, 2025, 04:21:30 PM »
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    • Couldn't it be that different diets work for different people?
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #55 on: February 17, 2025, 04:23:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on February 17, 2025, 03:56:56 PM
    George Foreman credits carbohydrates (and God) for slimming down and his heavyweight championship victory.

    :laugh1: ... carbs, maybe, but nothing but refined sugar?  I doubt you'll find 3 people in the world who believe it's good for you and that you don't also need healthy fats, especially for your brain function.
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    « Reply #56 on: February 17, 2025, 04:25:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on February 16, 2025, 11:41:03 AM
    Is that why I'm single digit body fat with an athletic build, energy, fitness and no mental fog, and I don't need caffeine to get me through the day?

    What's funny is that EVERY SINGLE TIME you get outed as Croix due to this particular subject, that or some of your outrageous "avatar" images here on CI.  :laugh1:
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #57 on: February 17, 2025, 04:47:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 17, 2025, 04:25:03 PM
    What's funny is that EVERY SINGLE TIME you get outed as Croix due to this particular subject, that or some of your outrageous "avatar" images here on CI.  :laugh1:
    Who is Croix?
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #58 on: February 17, 2025, 04:54:38 PM »
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    • Sugar (insulin resistance) and maybe refined carbs made my eczema and GI problems worse. 
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    Re: For better health
    « Reply #59 on: February 17, 2025, 04:57:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: FarmerWife on February 17, 2025, 04:54:38 PM
    Sugar (insulin resistance) and maybe refined carbs made my eczema and GI problems worse.
    Same for me especially corn.
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