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Offline songbird

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Flu shots: mandatory
« on: August 24, 2012, 11:47:00 PM »
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  • Has anyone been told that they must have a mandatory flu shot and did you find a way to get out of taking the shot? An exemption.

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 11:50:18 PM »
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  • Haven't heard, but would not be surprised if it were true.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 09:36:49 AM »
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  • I have, as well as my husband and children, refused the "flu shot" or whatever nasty poison it is (my Mother ALWAYS was ill from it!) for about 8 years, now.

    I also refused the colonoscopy invasion.

    I do as little as I need to to retain my Doctor. When that can no longer happen, I couldn't realistically say what I will do at this writing; but I would rather leave myself to Jesus, The Good Physician, and offer my healings, sufferings, and the death God wants me to have. I only pray The Holy Ghost provide me with the grace to be strong and the ability to offer it up for my sins and for other intentions. May The Immaculate Heart be our kind intercessor.
    Leaving the Boyz Club of little popes. SWAK.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 25, 2012, 06:37:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    Has anyone been told that they must have a mandatory flu shot and did you find a way to get out of taking the shot? An exemption.


    Flu shot for what?

    Offline Clelia

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    « Reply #4 on: August 25, 2012, 06:51:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clint
    Quote from: songbird
    Has anyone been told that they must have a mandatory flu shot and did you find a way to get out of taking the shot? An exemption.


    Flu shot for what?


    THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, CLINT!  :scratchchin:
    Leaving the Boyz Club of little popes. SWAK.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 05:18:48 PM »
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  • I have 4 family members that have been told mandatory flu shots and this is coming from Banner.  There is an exemption clause.  I am waiting to see how this is going to turn out.  What will satisfy them, paperwork wise, word wise.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2012, 06:21:22 PM »
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  • I would wait as long as possible, Songbird.  There could very likely be an activist group against it, depending on where you live.  

    But what is Banner?

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    « Reply #7 on: August 26, 2012, 09:06:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clint
    Quote from: songbird
    Has anyone been told that they must have a mandatory flu shot and did you find a way to get out of taking the shot? An exemption.


    Flu shot for what?


    For the pharmaceutical companies to get our hard earned cash, that's one .
    To get rid of some "unwanted" people, that's two.
    I am sure there are more.

    Have a look at this:  
    That's children of God for life. They tend to concentrate on the use of aborted baby in vaccines, and want "safe" and "ethical" vaccines.

    Mandatory vaccination (or any so-called health-care) is itself an unethical disaster.

    But there's heaps of information out there for those want to check out the safety issues. Try this one: [url=http://avn.org.au/


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    « Reply #8 on: August 26, 2012, 09:08:38 PM »
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  • Sorry for the URL mess up. Here's the second (Australian Vaccination Network)  URL: http://avn.org.au/

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    « Reply #9 on: August 26, 2012, 09:51:38 PM »
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  • Outside of the military and some hospitals, healthcare employers I know of no entity that forces anyone to get a flu shot, no schools, no employers... No one can make anyone get any vaccination (outside of the military). There may be consequences like being sent home during an outbreak or losing your job but you are always free to choose those instead of the vaccine.

     Guessing family works for Banner Health?

    http://www.bannerhealth.com/_For+Employees/Benefits/Health+and+WellBeing/Wellness/_WellnessArticles.htm

     
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    Q: If I choose to decline the flu shot, why do I need to select a reason for declining in the BLC module?
     
    A: Regulatory bodies, such as The Joint Commission, require Banner Health to offer the flu shot to all staff, but also require us to track why people do not get the flu shot.  The BLC module will help us meet these regulatory requirements.
     



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    « Reply #10 on: August 26, 2012, 11:09:46 PM »
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  • Thank you so much for all your comments, they have been very helpful.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 03:09:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Clelia
    but I would rather leave myself to Jesus, The Good Physician, and offer my healings, sufferings, and the death God wants me to have. I only pray The Holy Ghost provide me with the grace to be strong and the ability to offer it up for my sins and for other intentions. May The Immaculate Heart be our kind intercessor.


    First off this quote from Clelia. I'm both in agreement and disagreement with the above. Agreement because isn't that what we're supposed to do? Is ask for healing and guidance from the Physician Himself? However, I was put off by it as it sounded a bit hokey--sort of like a offshoot of Christian Scientist sentiment. If a family member of yours developed Type 1 diabetes, would you refuse medical treatment? Broken arm, leg? Just let it fester and heal on its own? God DID put people on this earth to learn and to be a vessel to heal. But it would seem that you're rejecting it outright not well thought out reasons. It's a bit of reverse elitism--"I'm better than you because I don't go to the doctor for ________ ailment-- I trust in Jesus only."  

    Like I said--I was put off-in a BIG way.

    Regarding the flu shot. Unless you work in a healthcare setting or in a capacity that requires national defense there is no requirements. I have received the flu shot and happily done so. Those that complain "Mom got sick with it" well--yeah- with a diluted strain of the flu to assure that she won't get the full blown one that kills. Which would you prefer for Mom? A few sniffles, a bit of aches or burying her?

    Flu DOES kill people. It is not a respecter of persons- it could be your child, grandparent or a person who is dealing with immnuo-compromised systems due to cancer, etc. Those that really should consider the flu shot at any time are those that are very young, elderly, have cancer (etc), and those that have repeated pneumonia yearly no matter their age. Notice I say to "consider"-- because frankly you're getting LAST YEARS shot in the dark prevalent flu virus.

    But it does create anti-bodies and "memory" cells to fight off the flu better than a bodies immune system completely defenseless. Do not trust your immune system to the flu virus. It is a tricky, guileless, deceiftful bastard. It hides, tricks macrophages to thinking it's part of the immune system. All the while replicating into the MILLIONS within hours. The body realizes that the virus is a trickers releases its sentry cells into the capillaries flooding the system creating what people know as a fever. It is not the flu that kills. It is the person's own immune response that does not shut off, and thus kills. That memory cell mentioned above? It tells the macrophages "Hey, bud-- that dude over there lookin' like he's one of us--read me and you'll see that he's a bad commie and he needs to be annihilated, pronto!" Thus creating a major TIME SAVER (instead of those millions within in hours...) to assist the immune system to line up a defense that can save a person's life.

    I'm an advocate for healthcare, I work in the field. Dedicated many hours of labor and love to mankind. I find it offensive when I come to this forum specifically and read well-meaning people spew off mis-information because they got it off the internet somewhere. Without having a sit down with the researchers, doctors and other scientists that do this on a daily basis. We're not mad scientists with a beaker! We are human beings who have seen literally the very worst in viruses, bacteria, parasites and we wish to reduce (and our dream would be eliminate) such scourges in the world. We know we have an uphill battle, "modern medicine" is only 100 years old!

    When H1N1 came about 3 years ago, my colleagues and I were extremely concerned. In the end, those that died were young people. Just like the "Spanish" flu of 1917-1919. Why? Read above: the body's own immune system is what kills a person with the flu. A young body, a stronger immune system thus stronger response FROM the immune system. It wasn't the babies post-natal, the grannies or those cancer patients that were dropping like flies, but young mothers, young fathers. People in their 20's and 30's.

    The issue is that we WILL have a second wave. The question is when. Very probable within the next 2-5 years. We suspect that it will be children that will be the heaviest fall out the next go around. We envision in our darkest hours, hearing on CNN mothers and fathers gnashing their teeth and wailing at God, blaspheming Him for taking their little one. THEN we'll have true panic like you've never seen. Interestingly, we do see that those that had the "shot in the dark" vaccince that was previous years flu virus have a better response. For me personally, I'd offer my family the benefit of at least a fighting chance. I can do no more.

    Those that choose to not vaccinate with the flu, I'd urge you to prayerfully consider all the options and the whys and wherefores before you make your final decision. If you chose not to, you live with the consequences whatever that may (or may not) be.

    As always, God bless each of you.


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    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 04:59:15 PM »
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  • I read the site: Children of God for LIfe. It was what I needed to read.  So, if you have not read it, be sure you do, for what you need to uphold your belief to say NO, is at this site.  Whoever posted it, I Hail You!!  Everyone needs to know that the gov't is out to take away your conscience.  Religious Freedom takes in conscience, and therefore comes under "religious exemption".  48 states maintain the protection to this religious freedom, to make a conscience(religious) and to make judgements to our conscience.  So, 2 states have tossed it out, and I don't know who those 2 states are.  The enemy is working very hard to throw out religion in every way they can and this is just one way.  Know your rights!  So, for our family, we will go religious exemption with our conscience to say no for the following reasons:  unmentioned hospital gave their staff NO listings of why you should not take the shot(medical) and they did not show any listing of ingredients or adverstities and you normally are given from a pharmacist with a prescription.  Something you are to read before taking ANY medication.  So, I am still doing the research and this unmentioned hospital has in their stars, to have 90% vaccinated by the year 2020.  Maybe by then they will have our state without this religious freedom to form a conscience to say NO, and remember this, no one claims liability.  Another reason to say, NO.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 05:06:46 PM »
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  • PS:  Our family members, will use face masks during the flu season to follow policies.  Last year, the HINI was a 3 parter.  The Pharmacist and doctors read the labels for themselves and noted that it was not a 3 parter as "they " said.  It was a 4 parter.  Other ingredients were in it and never made known as to just what they were.  Now,  my conscience says, 3 strikes they are out, for they took no courteous or thought to the individuals, or their own members safety by never giving them anything and so, I don't trust them!!

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    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2012, 12:36:16 AM »
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  • Songbird. Your response is exactly what makes me cringe. You getting your information off the internet versus receiving high quality, valid, information from a scientist who is a professed traditional Catholic such as yourself, who belongs to the very same forum you do. Who cares about everything you do. And loves the very same things you do. I have nothing to gain by sharing what I know other than giving those here the very best of what I have to offer.

    It's baffling. Don't ask a question if you don't want the truth.

    You've implied that because I'm a scientist that I've forsaken my Creator. Because I"m a scientist and work for the *gasp!* government that I've must have no conscience. That I have forsaken my 'real' conscience and now am a zombie that follows orders. Shame on you, shame on you.

    The mask you have that your depending on for the safekeeping of your family. What kind of face mask? Do you know how to put one on properly? Do you also know that you need a respirator with the proper face mask, which has be properly placed on the face? Do you know when to use it? Do you know what type of situations it doesn't matter? That the face mask for civilians could work, minimally; but it's only a working hypothesis based on what we scientists use at all time in working with viruses.

    Do you know you know that the face mask I use in my job as a scientist requires that I don on is literally a spacesuit? It's a cover over my entire head, body. That it has positive air pressure and it's so damn loud from it that to communicate with your fellow colleagues we use pigeon sign language, and scream to each other-lip reading? That you sweat like pig while in it no matter how cold the room is? That is just working with the H1N1 virus, initially. And lo and behold if we get a hold of the fabled 1917 influenza virus that is so deadly we all are required to sign multiple forms before we even get a chance to look at it. If we're infected by THAT virus, we are contained in a small room off the side of the lab and we can have no visitors. Locked in. We can never leave the lab. Receive palliative medical care there only. And if we die, we die.

    Do not let allow FEAR to become the seed of your knowledge. To be very honest as I tried to say in my previous post, the influenza virus is a very serious matter. You don't really seem to understand the gravity. You think it's the flu of our youth--one that gives us the chills, fever, aches, etc and nothing more. Darling, this is not the virus of today. The virus of today has literally freaked ME out. Yet you think a little mask will help your family? God bless you, and may He keep you from harm and that you never learn any better.



     

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