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Exemption Retribution
« on: September 18, 2021, 04:07:21 PM »
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  • Hospital system makes workers vow to give up antibiotics, Tylenol to get COVID vaccine exemptions

    A hospital system in Arkansas is telling employees who reject COVID vaccines to avoid all drugs allegedly linked to fetal cells – including some developed decades before aborted fetal cell lines even existed.
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    CONWAY, Arkansas (LifeSiteNews) – An Arkansas hospital system is requiring employees to “affirm” their conscience objections to abortion-tainted, experimental COVID vaccines by promising to avoid all drugs with alleged connections to fetal cell lines.


    Since Conway Regional Health System announced a COVID-19 vaccine mandate for staff in July, around five percent have requested either religious or medical exemptions, according to CEO Matt Troup.


    The amount of exemption requests “was significantly disproportionate to what we’ve seen with the influenza vaccine,” Troup
    told Becker’s Hospital Review, and often centered on the COVID vaccines’ significant links to abortion.


    In response, Conway Regional has introduced a new “religious attestation form” that requires unvaccinated workers seeking religious exemptions to swear off common medications or risk losing their jobs.


    “The intent of the religious attestation form is twofold: to ensure staff requesting exemption are sincere in their beliefs” and “educate staff” about the use of fetal cells in the testing and development of medicines, Troup said.


    “Based on your religious exemption request, we ask that you complete the below attestation,”
    the form, dated September 3, states. “This will help to validate your understanding of the ubiquity of fetal cell use in the testing and development of common medicines and consumer products and support your claim of a ‘sincerely held belief’.”


    The form features a list of 30 medicines that it claims “have used fetal cells in … development,” including aspirin, Tylenol, ibuprofen, Benadryl, Tums, azithromycin, Sudafed, acetaminophen, and Pepto Bismol.


    Employees must “truthfully acknowledge and affirm” that their religious beliefs are “consistent and true” and that they “do not use or will use any of the medications listed as examples or any other medication … that has used fetal cell lines in their development and/or testing,” the form continues.


    Many of the drugs listed by Conway Regional, however, were actually developed decades before the advent of aborted fetal cell lines in the 1970s. Aspirin, discovered in 1853, began circulating in the United States in 1899, a
    round the same time as Pepto Bismol. Tylenol, Tums, acetaminophen, and Benadryl also predate widespread use of fetal cell lines to test medicines by decades.

    COVID-19 vaccines, on the other hand, “would not exist” without aborted fetal cells, according to Children of God for Life (COGFL), a group that works to end the exploitation of aborted children for scientific research.

    “Aborted fetal cell lines were used in the foundational research (synthesis of the SARS CoV-2 spike proteins), the vaccine development process and validation assessment prior to initiating clinical trial,” COGFL has said. “It is correct to say that these vaccines would not exist but for the use of aborted fetal cell lines.”

    According to Becker’s Hospital Review, Conway Regional employees who refuse to sign the misleading attestation form may only receive a religious exemption on a “provisional basis” and may have their exemption revoked at a later date. Several workers have already signed the form, Troup said.

    Those exempted from hospital system’s vaccine mandate will still have to abide by other restrictive requirements, like regular COVID-19 testing, and may be reassigned to a different post due to their vaccination status, the attestation form notes.


    Conway Regional workers’ vaccination deadline is October 8.


    In addition to connections to abortion, COVID-19 vaccines have proved increasingly ineffective in preventing death, hospitalization, and transmission. In countries with high vaccination rates, like Israel, the “fully vaccinated” who have contracted the virus have overwhelmed hospitals in recent weeks, amid the spread of the coronavirus Delta variant.


    At the same time, mandatory COVID-19 vaccination has prompted crippling staffing shortages at medical facilities across the United States, with some hospitals facing closure as employees protest compulsory vaccination, Becker’s Hospital Review reported this week.


    Vaccine injury reports have also highlighted an unprecedented number of deaths and other serious adverse reactions that may be linked to available COVID jabs, none of which have completed clinical safety trials or have been subjected to long-term testing.



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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2021, 04:47:41 PM »
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  • I'm not persuaded by the Children of God for Life rebuttal that the death jabs cannot be used because they "would not exist but for the use of aborted foetal cell lines," whereas the other medications listed predated the use of foetal cells.

    What matters regarding these other medications is WHETHER THEY'RE USING ABORTED FOETAL CELLS TODAY, and apparently they are.

    Logic dictates, therefore, that we ought not be able to use those medications either.

    But as this article points out, only hermits or contemplative nuns could avoid such remote material cooperations:

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

    So it begs the question: If we can use these other medications, why not the death jabs?  To be logically consistent, would we not be forced to shun all the medications listed in the article linked to just above?
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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2021, 04:49:56 PM »
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  • Peggy Hall at thehealthyamerican.org warned about this in her videos on how to seek a religious exemption.  (she's on Youtube and bitchute)

    Do research before doing or saying anything to anyone.

    It's best not to go into anything to do with science!  This is a religious exemption not a medical exemption.

    You don't have to explain your religious beliefs at all!

    It's not required and when dealing with legal matters any information can be used against you.

    You don't need a priest or pastor to sign for you.  They could question the priest not being in line with the Pope.  These are unnecessary rabbit holes that can trip you up.

    You should not discuss it verbally with your employer or any other employees.

    You should only discuss it in writing with written responses such as in email which can be used as evidence down the road.

    You should ask them questions such as, "What are their requirements for a religious exemption?"  rather than just guessing and making it up by yourself.

    Do they have a form they want you to fill out?  Use that and don't give any extra information.

    If they say they want you to come in and meet with them say that you are only comfortable communicating in writing on the matter.

    You must be firm but polite.

    Important!  Ask them the following in writing and get a written response:


    What would cause you to reject my religious exemption request?


    If you get that in writing then you can later say that you fulfilled their requirements as they prescribed.

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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2021, 04:54:11 PM »
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  • I'm not persuaded by the Children of God for Life rebuttal that the death jabs cannot be used because they "would not exist but for the use of aborted foetal cell lines," whereas the other medications listed predated the use of foetal cells.

    What matters regarding these other medications is WHETHER THEY'RE USING ABORTED FOETAL CELLS TODAY, and apparently they are.

    Logic dictates, therefore, that we ought not be able to use those medications either.

    But as this article points out, only hermits or contemplative nuns could avoid such remote material cooperations:

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

    So it begs the question: If we can use these other medications, why not the death jabs?  To be logically consistent, would we not be forced to shun all the medications listed in the article linked to just above?

    Note that, for the sake of brevity, the study in the link above only lists OTC and prescription medications tested on HEK-293 (not other abortive cell lines). 
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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2021, 04:56:30 PM »
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  • I'm not persuaded by the Children of God for Life rebuttal that the death jabs cannot be used because they "would not exist but for the use of aborted foetal cell lines," whereas the other medications listed predated the use of foetal cells.

    What matters regarding these other medications is WHETHER THEY'RE USING ABORTED FOETAL CELLS TODAY, and apparently they are.

    Logic dictates, therefore, that we ought not be able to use those medications either.

    But as this article points out, only hermits or contemplative nuns could avoid such remote material cooperations:

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

    So it begs the question: If we can use these other medications, why not the death jabs?  To be logically consistent, would we not be forced to shun all the medications listed in the article linked to just above?
    Let's get the facts straight first. The hospital is lying.

    Aspirin was invented in the 1800s and did not use fetal cell lines. Most of the other meds predate the development of fetal cell lines.

    As a pro-life person I quit buying all Pepsi products as soon as I learned their taste-testing process used a body part of innocent aborted babies -- electively aborted.

    I will happily stop using any med so tainted. The point here is that the hospital is lying.





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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2021, 05:14:43 PM »
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  • Let's get the facts straight first. The hospital is lying.

    Aspirin was invented in the 1800s and did not use fetal cell lines. Most of the other meds predate the development of fetal cell lines.

    As a pro-life person I quit buying all Pepsi products as soon as I learned their taste-testing process used a body part of innocent aborted babies -- electively aborted.

    I will happily stop using any med so tainted. The point here is that the hospital is lying.

    It doesn't amount to a hill of beans if aspirin was invented 3,000 BC, IF TODAY ALL THE ASPIRIN ON THE MARKET IS MANUFACTURED BY TESTING IT ON HEK-293.

    The date any particular medicine was invented is irrelevant.

    The only relevant issue is whether TODAY it is being manufactured with the aid of HEK-293.

    The only "wiggle room" would be whether any HEK-293 testing was independent of the manufacturing process (i.e., done by scientists having no connectoin to the development/manufacturing process).

    This is what needs to be clarified in the link I provided above (reposted below):

    (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

    As Matthew explained in an earlier thread, if some mad scientist performs an experiment or test of ibuprofen on HEK-293 cells, but that scientist has no connection or relevance to the production/manufacture of ibuprofen, then his independent study does not taint the worldwide supply of ibuprofen.

    However, if the studies in that article were performed by ibuprofen manufacturers, then it WOULD taint the worldwide supply of ibuprofen (at least, the supply coming from those manufacturers).

    Unfortunately, I'm not sure which is the case, and haven't had time to thoroughly scour the article I linked to.
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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #6 on: September 18, 2021, 05:35:11 PM »
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  • There's also an interesting flip-side to this issue:

    Suppose, for the sake of argument, we were to conclude, on the basis of this article demonstrating the ubiquity of HEK-293 testing on OTC and prescription medicines (IF in fact these tests were performed by interested and relevant pharma/manufacturing companies/scientists), that it must be permissible to take the death jab in certain circumstances (necessity and proportionate good).

    Would it not become immoral/sinful to take ibuprofen or tylenol for a headache or toothache, since there is no necessity or proportionality?

    It seems like a no-win situation:

    If you want to be exempt from the COVID gene serum on the basis of HEK-293 testing, you should also shun all the other medications listed in the article above (presuming those tests were performed by pharma/mfg companies to market the drugs, which is yet to be determined).

    On the other hand, if you allow the covid gene serum (and all the other medications listed), but can only take them in necessity and proportionality, they would seem to be off limits for most of the reasons people use them (e.g., pain control is not necessity; there is no proportionality; etc.).

    An exceedingly difficult and complex issue, this vaccine business!

    For this reason, I continue to suspend my final judgment on the issue.
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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #7 on: September 18, 2021, 05:45:16 PM »
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  • Ibuprofen and aspirin are not harmful to people in most circumstances whereas the gene editing tool clearly is.

    You are risking your life and your health in a grave way.


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    Re: Exemption Retribution
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  • Ibuprofen and aspirin are not harmful to people in most circumstances whereas the gene editing tool clearly is.

    You are risking your life and your health in a grave way.

    Agreed, but we are here only concerned about the connection to abortion, not other reasons which might present additional moral obstacles.
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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #9 on: September 18, 2021, 05:51:08 PM »
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  • Well done to Conway Regional Health System and the exposing of this contradictory position of those seeking an exemption on such grounds. The only thing I would suggest is that they also ask why the objectors haven’t already been doing this for years.

    The argument that “the other medications listed predated the use of foetal cells” is largely irrelevant and now merely a detail of history. You can no longer buy these medications in their original form e.g. aspirin 1.0. All you can buy is aspirin 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, aspirin 2020, etc. that have been tweaked, had changes in the formula, made with different dosages, which have been tested on the HEK293 cell line. They’re different medications from the originals.

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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #10 on: September 18, 2021, 05:57:25 PM »
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  • The deposition of Stanley Plotkin leads me to believe there is much more than the HEK-293 line involved in the manufacturing of the shots, but I can't prove it of course.  His testimony shows that 74 babies were butchered for the creation of just one study of one vaccine.
     9min
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/b4R89lAe3gs/

    Are they doing this for the production of ibuprofen and aspirin I wonder?

    If they are I will gladly stop taking them.



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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #11 on: September 18, 2021, 05:58:15 PM »
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  • If they are I will gladly stop taking them.

    Same here.

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    Re: Exemption Retribution
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  • Agreed, but we are here only concerned about the connection to abortion, not other reasons which might present additional moral obstacles.
    The statement from your post above gives an If/then propostion under the following parameters:

    "that it must be permissible to take the death jab in certain circumstances (necessity and proportionate good)."

    It's only a comparison of apples to apples if the two objects compared have the same necessity and proportionate good.

    Ibuprofen/aspirin and the gene editing tool swimming in graphene serum do not.

    One is medicine and the other is poison.

    Another consideration is that the HEK-293 line has to be "refreshed".

    When they refresh the line they have to choose a "suitable specimen" with the correct lineage.

    Now we are talking farming humans.

    So if we participate we are fueling that industry for future farming and butchering.

    So are all medicines tested on butchered baby parts?  Yikes!

    With graphene in everything and not being able to buy or sell we will be forced to grow and forage our own food and medicine anyway I guess.


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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #13 on: September 18, 2021, 06:37:41 PM »
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  • Well done to Conway Regional Health System and the exposing of this contradictory position of those seeking an exemption on such grounds. The only thing I would suggest is that they also ask why the objectors haven’t already been doing this for years.

    The argument that “the other medications listed predated the use of foetal cells” is largely irrelevant and now merely a detail of history. You can no longer buy these medications in their original form e.g. aspirin 1.0. All you can buy is aspirin 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, aspirin 2020, etc. that have been tweaked, had changes in the formula, made with different dosages, which have been tested on the HEK293 cell line. They’re different medications from the originals.


    The question here is, "Why would anyone seek a religious exemption on such grounds?"

    One's religious beliefs are personal and they don't need to go into detail when requesting an exemption.  The law doesn't require it.

    Please everyone, research and find out what the laws are in your situation.  

    Don't make up your own laws.




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    Re: Exemption Retribution
    « Reply #14 on: September 18, 2021, 06:41:33 PM »
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  • Also, when considering proportionate good we usually think of death.

    We should also consider that we could spend the rest of our lives convulsing and in a wheelchair with others having to take care us and pay for those costs.

    See vaxpain.us


     

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