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Offline Mark 79

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ETHICAL VACCINES
« on: October 12, 2021, 02:52:15 AM »
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2021, 07:01:47 AM »
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  • Here's a list of some reportedly "on the way" for COVID.
    https://tinyurl.com/63zp6zyb

    Unfortunately, it's gotten to a point, however, that I don't trust anything that comes from Big Pharma.  If it's approved by the FDA, it's likely to be poison (even if it doesn't use fetal tissue).  If it doesn't harm/kill people, then the FDA will actively suppress it.


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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2021, 07:28:55 AM »
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  • Here's a list of some reportedly "on the way" for COVID.
    https://tinyurl.com/63zp6zyb

    Unfortunately, it's gotten to a point, however, that I don't trust anything that comes from Big Pharma.  If it's approved by the FDA, it's likely to be poison (even if it doesn't use fetal tissue).  If it doesn't harm/kill people, then the FDA will actively suppress it.

    My thoughts exactly.

    Although taking an “ethical” vaccine is (much) better than taking an abortion shot, you’re still funding the same pharmaceutical companies who are producing the abortion shots.
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #3 on: October 12, 2021, 08:11:25 AM »
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  • At this point, I would only take the non-fetal rabies and if they offered the old fashioned TT ( tetanus toxoid) and not DT  or DPT (and only if necessary,) although I might take my chances without either of these as well.

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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #4 on: October 12, 2021, 08:51:06 AM »
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  • I have the same view as Ladislaus and Sean on this.  I would go further and say that I don't really trust the medical industry as a whole.  The doctors are basically slaves of the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.  Obviously, I'm making generalizations here.  There are probably ethical doctors out there.  And I'm not making any moral judgments about any individual doctor here.  I just don't trust these industries to be truthful nor to be working in my best interests nor in the interest of the common good.  So when they claim that some medicine hasn't been derived from aborted fetal cells or that it hasn't been tested with products that are derived from aborted fetal cells, can we trust that they are telling the truth?  I would not be so skeptical if it were just a matter of isolated cases of corruption but the medical industry is corrupt from top to bottom and it works within a framework that is based on fundamental principles that are diametrically opposed to revealed truth (e.g. evolutionism).  What good can come from it?  If I completely reject modern medicine, I will probably not live as long as I would have if I had participated in it.  But maybe that is the reward that the devil has promised to his minions?  A few more years of life in this vale of tears followed by eternal hell fire.  I would rather die young and go to heaven than live 100+ years and be cast into hell.


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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #5 on: October 12, 2021, 08:55:50 AM »
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  • I would never take any vaccine after all the research I've done on them over the years. No 'real' vaccine is safe or effective, it's based on pseudo-science. There's so much information about this out there now I don't see how it can be ignored. I've never really trusted doctors, hospitals, and big pharma. But the more I looked into Louis Pasteur and the science and history behind vaccines, the more I became convinced they're totally useless, and not only useless, but evil in most cases, at least in terms of their effects on people. I've read hundreds of stories, many books, many articles, tons of videos on this. Vaccines are not safe, and they do not prevent disease.

    Vaccines are one of the greatest medical lies ever told, if not the greatest.


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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #6 on: October 12, 2021, 10:34:24 AM »
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  • I would never take any vaccine after all the research I've done on them over the years. No 'real' vaccine is safe or effective, it's based on pseudo-science. There's so much information about this out there now I don't see how it can be ignored. I've never really trusted doctors, hospitals, and big pharma. But the more I looked into Louis Pasteur and the science and history behind vaccines, the more I became convinced they're totally useless, and not only useless, but evil in most cases, at least in terms of their effects on people. I've read hundreds of stories, many books, many articles, tons of videos on this. Vaccines are not safe, and they do not prevent disease.

    Vaccines are one of the greatest medical lies ever told, if not the greatest.



    I agree.

    You have to keep an open mind as you research this. I was surprised to learn that vaccines didn't even "save us" in the best, classic cases they always put forth as examples. Looking at the data, the major decline (the sharp dropoff, going off a cliff) in cases started to happen BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS RELEASED. What caused the dropoff? SANITATION. Widespread use of public sewer systems, indoor plumbing/toilets, clean water, etc. Better hygiene. That is what deserves the credit.

    Regardless, even if one or two diseases were wiped out (or near wiped-out) by a vaccine, the fact we have dozens of vaccines, aimed at children under 5, most of which have zero-to-no upside, is a crime against humanity. We're causing far more harm than good.

    Why is every child given a shot for Hep B? Even if Mom isn't promiscuous, and doesn't use intravenous illegal drugs? It's ridiculous.
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #7 on: October 12, 2021, 10:36:09 AM »
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  • Here's the thing: you have to weigh the pros and cons.

    The cons are a huge pile at this point.

    The pros are pretty slim. Most of these diseases are rare, and non-deadly.

    The more benefit the vaccine offers, the more "cons" or risk you can tolerate.


    But then there's the indisputable fact that BIG PHARMA CAN'T BE TRUSTED. That is the main reason I don't do vaccines for me or mine.
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #8 on: October 12, 2021, 10:46:01 AM »
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  • Definitely agree Matthew, and yes I know those charts you refer to.

    Here is what a normal life should be like:

    You're born. You get no drugs and no vaccinations. During childhood you have the usual illnesses, but conservative treatment gets you through them without antibiotics or drugs, and you build your natural immune defenses. You don't eat white sugar, white flour, too much meat or cheese, or drink pasteurized milk or soft drinks. You concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and a clean, natural diet. You never learn to drink excessive coffee or to smoke cigarettes. You don't sit-down staring at a computer all-day everyday.  You get sunlight and fresh-air. The only pills you take are powerful whole food vitamins and enzymes and minerals, which are part of your daily intake. You drink at least 1 liter of water every day. Into adulthood, you never get sick: no colds, no flu, no headaches, no diabetes, no ADD, no "thyroid problems," no panic attacks, growing pains, fatigue, or digestive disorders, no high blood pressure. The only pains you experience come from accidental injury. Perhaps you do moderate exercise or sports activity to maintain mobility and general fitness. You look to the care of your spine. Your entire adulthood is spent in this disease-free mode. As you age, your mind gets sharper. You experience no arthritis or osteoporosis, no Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. Finally one day after 90 or 100 years, you flicker like a candle and go out.

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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #9 on: October 12, 2021, 05:47:16 PM »
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  • If I completely reject modern medicine, I will probably not live as long as I would have if I had participated in it. 

    I agree with the rest of what you wrote. But I think this here is probably wrong.
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #10 on: October 12, 2021, 06:07:51 PM »
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  • At this point, I would only take the non-fetal rabies and if they offered the old fashioned TT ( tetanus toxoid) and not DT  or DPT (and only if necessary,) although I might take my chances without either of these as well.
    With an incidence of 30 cases of tetanus p.a. in the U.S. and 25 cases of rabies in a decade in U.S. I would worry about either, Josefa.
    I’m with Sean and Ladi on this. 
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #11 on: October 12, 2021, 06:26:19 PM »
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  • I have the same view as Ladislaus and Sean on this.  I would go further and say that I don't really trust the medical industry as a whole.  The doctors are basically slaves of the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.  Obviously, I'm making generalizations here.  There are probably ethical doctors out there.  
    Yes, there are most definitely ethical doctors, but even these are educated in programs funded by unscrupulous big pharma, with texts approved and funded by the same sharks. Many are already convinced by the need for pharmaceuticals, with no alternatives. Students are young and naive and their prejudices are regularly enforced. They are hooked by their debts by the time they wake up, if they ever do wake up.

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     If I completely reject modern medicine, I will probably not live as long as I would have if I had participated in it.  
    I wouldn’t go so far as to say that! Long life is promised as a reward for right living. So much intervention by doctors should unnecessary if we lived as God intended.

    And remember the woman in St Luke’s Gospel who had spent all her money on doctorsfor no benefit. 
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    Re: ETHICAL VACCINES
    « Reply #12 on: October 12, 2021, 06:37:23 PM »
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  • With an incidence of 30 cases of tetanus p.a. in the U.S. and 25 cases of rabies in a decade in U.S. I would worry about either, Josefa.
    I’m with Sean and Ladi on this.

    I lost a baby within days of the tetanus shot.

    They insisted there was no connection.

    According to Dr Carrie Madej there is indeed a connection.
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