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Offline jman123

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« on: October 01, 2014, 09:45:20 PM »
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  • Is this ebola thing a pandemic about to occur on a massive scale?  If ebola is airborne then this is bad.   What should we do?   I am terrified. Is this worse than the CDC sats it is?


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    « Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 11:16:27 PM »
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  • We can be right with God and we can pray.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 04, 2014, 07:21:26 PM »
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  • Facts on Ebola  from ....http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/



    Here is the original doctor's Ebola report that was first sent to this web site
    From an anonymous doctor:

     Summary:

    "The very first symptoms of ebola are exactly the same as scurvy, which is caused by inadequate vitamin C. Though scurvy is seldom fatal as a primary condition, scurvy also represents only a partial deficiency of vitamin C, the body still has a LOT of vitamin C compared to zero, which ebola causes.

    Absent ANY vitamin C, blood vessels become very weak and start to lose blood, and platelets become ineffective and unable to trigger clots. So death by ebola is caused by massive internal bleeding and loss of blood, which can be stopped simply by taking enormous doses of vitamin C until the immune system succeeds in killing off the virus."

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    Ebola is probably the best known of a class of viruses known as hemorrhagic fever viruses. In fact, Ebola virus was initially recognized in 1976. Other less known but related viral syndromes include yellow fever, dengue hemorrhagic fever, Rift Valley fever, Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever, Kyasanur Forest disease, Omsk hemorrhagic fever, hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, Venezuelan hemorrhagic fever, Brazilian hemorrhagic fever, Argentine hemorrhagic fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, and Lassa fever. The Ebola virus infection, also known as African hemorrhagic fever, has the distinction of having the highest case-fatality rate of the viral infections noted above, ranging from 53% to 88%.

    These viral hemorrhagic fever syndromes share certain clinical features. The Cecil Textbook of Medicine notes that these diseases are characterized by capillary fragility, which translates to easy bleeding, that can frequently lead to severe shock and death. These diseases also tend to consume and/or destroy the platelets, which play an integral role in blood clotting. The clinical presentation of these viral diseases is similar to scurvy, which is also characterized by capillary fragility and a tendency to bleed easily.

     Characteristic skin lesions develop, which are actually multiple tiny areas of bleeding into the skin that surround the hair follicles. some cases even include bleeding into already healed scars.

    In the classic form of scurvy that evolves very slowly from the gradual depletion of vitamin C body stores, the immune system will be sufficiently compromised for infection to claim the patient’s life before the extensive hemorrhage that occurs after all vitamin C stores have been completely exhausted.

     Ebola virus and the other viral hemorrhagic fevers are much more likely to cause hemorrhaging before any other fatal infection has a chance to become established. This is because the virus so rapidly and totally metabolizes and consumes all available vitamin C in the bodies of the victims that an advanced stage of scurvy is literally produced after only a few days of the disease.

    The scurvy is so complete that the blood vessels generally cannot keep from hemorrhaging long enough to allow an infective complication to develop. Also, the viral hemorrhagic fevers typically only take hold and reach epidemic proportions in those populations that would already be expected to have low body stores of vitamin C, such as is found in many of the severely malnourished Africans.

     In such individuals, an infecting hemorrhagic virus will often wipe out any remaining vitamin C stores before the immune systems can get the upper hand and initiate recovery. When the vitamin C stores are rapidly depleted by large infecting doses of an aggressive virus, the immune system gets similarly depleted and compromised. However, this point is largely academic after hemorrhaging throughout the body has begun.

    To date, no viral infection has been demonstrated to be resistant to the proper dosing of vitamin C as classically demonstrated by Klenner. However, not all viruses have been treated with Klenner-sized vitamin C doses, or at least the results have not been published. Ebola viral infection and the other acute viral hemorrhagic fevers appear to be diseases that fall into this category.

     Because of the seemingly exceptional ability of these viruses to rapidly deplete vitamin C stores, even larger doses of vitamin C would likely be required in order to effectively reverse and eventually cure infections caused by these viruses.

    Cathcart (1981), who introduced the concept of bowel tolerance to vitamin C discussed earlier, hypothesized that Ebola and the other acute viral hemorrhagic fevers may well require 500,000 mg of vitamin C daily to reach bowel tolerance! Whether this estimate is accurate, it seems clear as evidenced by the scurvy-like clinical manifestations of these infections that vitamin C dosing must be vigorous and given in extremely high doses. If the disease seems to be winning, then even more vitamin C should be given until symptoms begin to lessen.

     Obviously, these are viral diseases that would absolutely require high doses of vitamin C intravenously as the initial therapy. The oral administration should begin simultaneously, but the intravenous route should not be abandoned until the clinical response is complete.

     Death occurs too quickly with the hemorrhagic fevers to be conservative when dosing the vitamin C. (from Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins:Curing the Incurable by Thomas E. Levy MD JD)

    MY COMMENT: I may not be a doctor, but I am awful good with medical topics, and this rings 100 percent true, IT IS THE MOA which if combined with some of my medical knowledge, such as the fact that Broccoli is absolutely excellent for assisting the clotting of blood, that the active component of Noni (which is in pineapple juice) is strongly anti viral, and that cures such as colloidal silver, while good for bacterial infections does nothing for viruses, combine some real knowledge with what this doctor says and it is highly probable that Ebola can be shrugged off as a mild case of scurvy.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 04, 2014, 08:32:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
    Is this ebola thing a pandemic about to occur on a massive scale?  If ebola is airborne then this is bad.   What should we do?   I am terrified. Is this worse than the CDC sats it is?


    If you are terrified, the Fourteen Holy Helpers are just what the doctor ordered.

    A number of them were [falsely] taken of the list of God's holy saints by depraved
    V2 men, but they are exactly perfect for plagues.

    The Catholic Harbor of Faith and Morals site has lovely devotions for the 14 Holy Helpers.  I promise you will no longer fear Ebola if you rely upon them.  :pray:

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    « Reply #4 on: October 04, 2014, 09:33:24 PM »
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  • You can achieve much higher vitamin C doses *intravenously* than from taking oral vitamin C supplements.

    Find a naturopath who will show you jow to administer intravenous vit c at home if/when there's an outbreak

    I do agree with the OP on this, it is likely intentional that it is being allowed to spread and get here in the forst place.

    Authorities who wont let us board a plane with a pocket knife havent stopped flights from infected countries and havent deployed medical personnel at customer entry points, nor are the CBP performing questionnaires to screen.

    We have xray porno scanners and bomb detectors but not so much as an infrared camera looking for fevered passengers. (iR cameras are vastly cheaper btw)

    We dont even flag people from infected countries or woth passports from ebola hotspots.

    Theure totally going out of their way to let this get here.

    It's a pretext for martial law.

    That's also why the trial run was in TX. TX is probably the freest state in the union.

    They figure thats a great acid test to see the public's reaction.

    If TX will allow themselves to be restricted in the face of an allowed plague, *any state will*


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    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2014, 12:46:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
    Is this ebola thing a pandemic about to occur on a massive scale?  If ebola is airborne then this is bad.   What should we do?   I am terrified. Is this worse than the CDC sats it is?


    Are you also terrified of bee-stings, lightning strikes, and domestic accidents such as electrocution or falling down the stairs?  Do you terrible in fear every time you stand up in your bath in case you slip and crack your skull open on the taps?

    You need to balance your fear with the statistical risks.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2014, 06:19:46 AM »
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    Is this ebola thing a pandemic about to occur on a massive scale?  




    Basically, if by the end of November we see more cases of Ebola in the United States, then yes, it is about to occur on a massive scale.  

    I am hoping it will be slow, however.  I am hoping this will proceed in a matter of months.

    Consider this:

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    What happens next in the epidemic will be determined in part by mathematics. As of Friday, the WHO had reported 7,470 confirmed or likely cases, and 3,431 deaths in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. Currently, each infected person is infecting about two more. To slow the spread of the disease and eventually stop it, officials must somehow reverse the math. Only when each Ebola patient infects, on average, fewer than one person will the outbreak begin to fade.


    At this point, while things are still normal and okay, I'd recommend you do the whole amateur prepper thing if you want to get ahead of the curve.  Get some food put away, some water, a weapon or two and some ammunition.  

    Also, to protect yourself from the virus more, you might want to avoid shopping for groceries at Wal-Mart or lower class markets.  You'll have to spend a bit more money and shop at the rich person markets.  Why?  Because this Ebola virus is going to hit the lower classes first.  

    Different cities are starting to assure their citizens that there is no need to panic and everything is under control.  The CDC also is trying to keep everyone calm.  However, keep in mind that the CDC will lie about their statistics when it's convenient.  

    Finally, if you are like me, and you are on the front lines as a health worker, I've located this thread at a little place I attend now and then.  In this forum's thread, health workers are discussing what they see in their institutions and their expectations of the Ebola threat:

    http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=367224



    Good luck, everyone.


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    « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 06:53:15 AM »
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    Poche is right.  

    A Catholic should pray daily, examine their conscience, spend time reading Catholic books, both devotional and instruction, and frequent the sacraments.  



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    « Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 04:36:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    You can achieve much higher vitamin C doses *intravenously* than from taking oral vitamin C supplements.

    Find a naturopath who will show you jow to administer intravenous vit c at home if/when there's an outbreak

    I do agree with the OP on this, it is likely intentional that it is being allowed to spread and get here in the forst place.

    Authorities who wont let us board a plane with a pocket knife havent stopped flights from infected countries and havent deployed medical personnel at customer entry points, nor are the CBP performing questionnaires to screen.

    We have xray porno scanners and bomb detectors but not so much as an infrared camera looking for fevered passengers. (iR cameras are vastly cheaper btw)

    We dont even flag people from infected countries or woth passports from ebola hotspots.

    Theure totally going out of their way to let this get here.

    It's a pretext for martial law.

    That's also why the trial run was in TX. TX is probably the freest state in the union.

    They figure thats a great acid test to see the public's reaction.

    If TX will allow themselves to be restricted in the face of an allowed plague, *any state will*


    IV vitamin C is not available to most. Research liposomal vitamin C; you can make your own. Research on this is available online, along with instructions to make your own supply.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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    « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2014, 08:08:58 AM »
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  • I think I mentioned this on one of the other topics but Glenn Beck was saying that it only takes small amounts of chlorine to kill ebola. So I guess we should all stock up on chlorine...or drink more tap water.


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    « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2014, 12:16:34 PM »
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  • The only thing going viral and growing exponentially is hype and fear-mongering.

    Ebola ain't going to kill you in North America.  The sad thing is that next spring when zero of the posters on this forum are dead from Ebola, nor anyone remotely know to you, you'll be hyping up the next bunch of BS without ever stopping to review whether you were correct about Ebola.

    A look back through the posting history of other BS you worried about in the past confirms this.

    Mark your diaries for next spring.  Nothing is going to happen.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2014, 01:37:29 PM »
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  • I hope you are right, Greg.

    Could've done without the British cynicism, though.

    We'll know more in a month.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 02:12:05 PM »
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  • You mean if I don't humor this doomsday BS that equals cynicism?

    Name one disaster, of the many predicted on this site, that have EVER come to pass before labelling me a cynic.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 02:45:53 PM »
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    You mean if I don't humor this doomsday BS that equals cynicism?

    Name one disaster, of the many predicted on this site, that have EVER come to pass before labelling me a cynic.




    No, I'm not asking you to humor "this doomsday BS."  You are cynical in your tone a lot.  Often, it's humorous, to tell you the truth.  But it seems to permeate most of your posts.  I have no expectations you take this to heart, though, and I doubt this criticism will have any bearing on you whatsoever.


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    The sad thing is that next spring when zero of the posters on this forum are dead from Ebola, nor anyone remotely know to you, you'll be hyping up the next bunch of BS without ever stopping to review whether you were correct about Ebola.

    A look back through the posting history of other BS you worried about in the past confirms this.



    List that posting history of mine, please.  What "other BS" did I worry about in the past?  Can you name something I hyped up that I did not stop to review if I was wrong?  Please do, here and now.


    Also, I am still waiting for you to list those predictions I was wrong about in the past.


    Perhaps you are just lumping all of your frustrations with conspiracy theorists into one person...me.




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    « Reply #14 on: October 06, 2014, 02:51:20 PM »
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  • "hype and fear mongering" aside, epidemics are historically common.  Heck, the common cold could be considered the same.
    Since this is the health and nutrition topic, I'll post this link.  As I noted in another thread, I just found the information a short while ago, while researching a different subject.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, August 20, 2014
    Can Vitamin C Cure Ebola?
    Commentary by Steve Hickey PhD, Hilary Roberts PhD, and Damien Downing MBBS, MSB.
    http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v10n13.shtml