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Title: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Maria Regina on December 14, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
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One big reason Americans are broke and overweight

 
Published: Dec 14, 2018 11:22 a.m. ET
... Not only is eating out wreaking havoc on your savings, it may be expanding your waistline.

On days when Americans eat out, they scarf an average of 200 more calories than when they eat at home, according to a study of more than 12,500 people published by Public Health Nutrition in 2015.

Furthermore, government research reveals that “when eating out, people either eat more or eat higher calorie foods — or both — and that this tendency appears to be increasing” and additional studies have found that dining out is associated with obesity and more body fat (https://cspinet.org/resource/research-review-effects-eating-out-nutrition-and-body-weight) ...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-why-americans-are-broke-and-fat-2017-12-05-10881649

Most restaurants are heavy on the starches (potatoes or rice), medium on the protein (steaks, chicken, fish, or eggs) and very light on salads. Average dinner per person now costs at least $20 or more, and that is considered a bargain. If a family of four eats out,. the cost could easily be $80 to $100.00 but with the added tip it could easily cost more.

Eating hospital fare is far worse. When my husband was hospitalized, they served him a dinner consisting of a large serving of rice, a very small serving of broccoli, and a moderate serving of low-fat chicken breast with sweetened gravy, all which were on one medium sized plate. There was no salad. Then for dessert: three huge cookies, a container of gelatin, and then another container of flavored sweetened yogurt. Then they served him a cup of tea with sugar or honey as a sweetener. The sweet calories in this hospital fare with three desserts and honey far exceeded that of most restaurants. We tossed out the three desserts, but I gave him a cup of regular unsweetened unflavored organic yogurt topped with 1/2 cup of organic blueberries which we had purchased from the local Trader Joes. Hospital staff allowed me to store this food in the staff refrigerator.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 14, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-why-americans-are-broke-and-fat-2017-12-05-10881649

Most restaurants are heavy on the starches (potatoes or rice), medium on the protein (steaks, chicken, fish, or eggs) and very light on salads. Average dinner per person now costs at least $20 or more, and that is considered a bargain. If a family of four eats out,. the cost could easily be $80 to $100.00 but with the added tip it could easily cost more.

Eating hospital fare is far worse. When my husband was hospitalized, they served him a dinner consisting of a large serving of rice, a very small serving of broccoli, and a moderate serving of low-fat chicken breast with sweetened gravy, all which were on one medium sized plate. There was no salad. Then for dessert: three huge cookies, a container of gelatin, and then another container of flavored sweetened yogurt. Then they served him a cup of tea with sugar or honey as a sweetener. The sweet calories in this hospital fare with three desserts and honey far exceeded that of most restaurants. We tossed out the three desserts, but I gave him a cup of regular unsweetened unflavored organic yogurt topped with 1/2 cup of organic blueberries which we had purchased from the local Trader Joes. Hospital staff allowed me to store this food in the staff refrigerator.

Yeah, hospitals love trying to get patients addicted to opioids, too. Especially the Jєωιѕн staff/nurses/doctors.

I've witnessed it when visiting somebody everyday at a hospital.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 14, 2018, 05:28:09 PM
I don't think Jєωιѕн doctors are overprescribing opioids, my dude. 

ALL hospitals -- no matter what the race of the doctor is (!?) have been overprescribing opioids for a long time. Wisdom teeth, back surgery, a busted knee, they just hand out Vicodin and other opiates like candy. 
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 14, 2018, 06:46:35 PM
The calories in a kids meal from let’s say McDonald’s are outrageous 
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Seraphina on December 14, 2018, 09:01:12 PM
I believe the grim statistics mainly apply to people who frequent fast food establishments.  In my area there are many diners that have very reasonably priced lunch specials.  Senior citizens get a 10% discount on a certain day.  Depending upon your choice of food, the meals can be healthful and nutritionally sound.  The large portions need not be consumed in one sitting.  My parents meet another couple every Thursday for lunch.  They take home enough for one, sometimes two meals in addition to what they eat in the restaurant!  It's actually a good buy for them since neither is up to spending hours in the kitchen.  BTW, they are both on the slender side, no obesity or overweight!  

For a time, my sister fell into a habit of hitting the drive thru at fast food places on her way home from work.  She spent too much money, gained 50lbs. in a year, and was pre-diabetic.  The latter scared her into proper eating.  She lost the weight and her blood sugar returned to normal.

Personally, I will not eat anything from McDonalds.  They stuff they call food literally doesn't rot!  It just sinks in and hardens!  One of my nephews did a science project about it, so the still unspoiled MickyD's was on display beside the homemade and other foods, all of which were covered in multi-colored, reeking, hairy mold!

As for hospital food, I've had disgusting, unhealthful meals at one hospital, so bad I paid a nurse to purchase fresh fruit and bagged salads for me...and excellent, nutritious food at another hospital.  I'm sure they vary tremendously.  The hospital with the good food happened to be Montefiore Medical Center, very Jєωιѕн!  St. Charles Hospital was the one with the bad food!  I'm sure St. Charles himself did not bestow his blessing on the kitchen!
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 14, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
The hospitals I were in when I had our babies in had very strick low/no salt food. It was still not the best food choices! Fresh fruit  is the best way to keep energy levels up when sick!
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: AlligatorDicax on December 28, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
Very much on-topic herein, esp. for readers who can tune out the click-bait aspects:

Quote from: David Zinczenko at eatthis.com

RESTAURANTS
25 Secrets Fast Food Employees Don’t Want You to Know [:]
Find out their insider secrets.
By David Zinczenko
September 24, 2017"

Before I started [the blog] Eat This, Not That!, I worked at a KFC.  There were a lot of steps in between, of course, but KFC was a great place for a fast-food addict like myself.  Still, being on the inside taught me a lot about how fast-food companies operate, and most of what I learned would shock you.

See, for fast[-]food companies, it actually pays to sell us more food for less money.  We think we're getting a bargain when we order the combo meal; in fact, it costs just pennies for a chain to produce the actual food that's coming out of the window. [....]

<https://www.eatthis.com/things-fast-food-chains-dont-want-you-to-know/ (https://www.eatthis.com/things-fast-food-chains-dont-want-you-to-know/)>.

The articles or blog entries that I've been inclined to read at Eat This, Not That!  focus on nutrition, or lack thereof, in restaurant food, quantitatively when possible, including excesses in sodium content.  For some of the 25 items in this article, "shock" might not be too strong a word at all.

My only irritation with the site is that it fails to honor the distinction between "healthy" versus "healthful".
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 30, 2019, 12:18:33 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Brown Recluse on August 30, 2019, 12:20:39 AM
I think GMOs are contributing to obesity and overweight problems, too.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: songbird on August 30, 2019, 02:23:55 PM
I read that child vaccinations were related to obesity.  I agree.  One of our daughters suffered from a vaccination (I regret so much and my ignorance) at age 1.  She has this obesity and she has fought to be rid of it.  Also, all grains, are contaminated, ALL! Our other daughter has the IBS Irritable Bowel Syndrome.  She saved herself with the good, "Breaking the Vicious cycle."

So, even if a package says, GMO Free, and it is a grain, it is contaminated.  Go grain free and we are better off.   It is obvious that the enemy is out to kill us!  And sometimes we can be our worst enemy.  

My feet get dry and cracked and it is because I must go grain free, no sugars and no red meat. 
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Bonaventure on August 30, 2019, 03:20:25 PM
Obesity is simply the result of ignoring the first law of thermodynamics, namely, energy can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system.  So, if one consumes more energy than they are expending, and remembering that said energy can not be destroyed, it is converted to a stored unit of energy, i.e, fat.

The problem with eating out, as others have alluded to, is that most meals offered in restaurants are highly caloric.  Now, this is not a problem, in and of itself, if everyone were, say, lumberjacks.  But the vast majority of us are not, instead living a relatively sedentary lifestyle.  Unfortunately, our eating habits are not in-line with our lifestyle, and the result is an obesity epidemic.   
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Maria Regina on August 30, 2019, 03:54:26 PM
I read that child vaccinations were related to obesity.  I agree.  One of our daughters suffered from a vaccination (I regret so much and my ignorance) at age 1.  She has this obesity and she has fought to be rid of it.  Also, all grains, are contaminated, ALL! Our other daughter has the IBS Irritable Bowel Syndrome.  She saved herself with the good, "Breaking the Vicious cycle."

So, even if a package says, GMO Free, and it is a grain, it is contaminated.  Go grain free and we are better off.   It is obvious that the enemy is out to kill us!  And sometimes we can be our worst enemy.  

My feet get dry and cracked and it is because I must go grain free, no sugars and no red meat.
Since I have been eating an avocado or two every day, my feet are no longer cracked and dry.
We need to eat good fats like raw butter, avocado, and olive oil.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Seraphina on August 30, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
Obesity is simply the result of ignoring the first law of thermodynamics, namely, energy can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system.  So, if one consumes more energy than they are expending, and remembering that said energy can not be destroyed, it is converted to a stored unit of energy, i.e, fat.

The problem with eating out, as others have alluded to, is that most meals offered in restaurants are highly caloric.  Now, this is not a problem, in and of itself, if everyone were, say, lumberjacks.  But the vast majority of us are not, instead living a relatively sedentary lifestyle.  Unfortunately, our eating habits are not in-line with our lifestyle, and the result is an obesity epidemic.  
Remember when you had to stand up, walk across the room, raise your arm, grasp a dial, and twist 
your wrist halfway around to change channels??  Then you had to walk back to the couch and sit down?  Repeat several times at high speed if your siblings wanted to watch the shows on the other two channels?  And if you wanted to enjoy an after school snack, the commercial times were so short you had to sprint to the kitchen, actually MAKE the food, and sprint back!  By then, the wrong channel was on again, so you’d have to overpower your siblings and wrestle for a place on the couch!  Yes, even sedentary activities burned more calories in the old days!  All for the privilege of watching Magilla Gorilla exasperate Mr. Peebles in glorious black and white!  Oh, and I forgot one thing!  In order to get channel 11, WPIX, you had to adjust the right rabbit ear to touch the steam radiator!  No wonder there were few fat kids despite the fact that some of us ate Twinkies and Kool Aid!  (The Twinkie came from a box, much as today, but Kool Aid was unsweetened powder in an envelope. You had to add water and sugar and exert yourself to stir it until the sugar dissolved!  If you wanted ice in your Kool Aid, you had to make it in an ice tray and wait for it to freeze.  After it was frozen, it took a good strong yank on the metal handle to crack the ice into cubes.)
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Alexandria on August 30, 2019, 04:26:50 PM
Remember when you had to stand up, walk across the room, raise your arm, grasp a dial, and twist
your wrist halfway around to change channels??  Then you had to walk back to the couch and sit down?  Repeat several times at high speed if your siblings wanted to watch the shows on the other two channels?  And if you wanted to enjoy an after school snack, the commercial times were so short you had to sprint to the kitchen, actually MAKE the food, and sprint back!  By then, the wrong channel was on again, so you’d have to overpower your siblings and wrestle for a place on the couch!  Yes, even sedentary activities burned more calories in the old days!  All for the privilege of watching Magilla Gorilla exasperate Mr. Peebles in glorious black and white!  Oh, and I forgot one thing!  In order to get channel 11, WPIX, you had to adjust the right rabbit ear to touch the steam radiator!  No wonder there were few fat kids despite the fact that some of us ate Twinkies and Kool Aid!  (The Twinkie came from a box, much as today, but Kool Aid was unsweetened powder in an envelope. You had to add water and sugar and exert yourself to stir it until the sugar dissolved!  If you wanted ice in your Kool Aid, you had to make it in an ice tray and wait for it to freeze.  After it was frozen, it took a good strong yank on the metal handle to crack the ice into cubes.)
I remember those days well. I'm a bit older than you but grew up in the nyc metro area too.  Those were definitely the good old days.  They're not coming back in our lifetime.  :-[
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on August 30, 2019, 04:47:25 PM
Remember when you had to stand up, walk across the room, raise your arm, grasp a dial, and twist
your wrist halfway around to change channels??  Then you had to walk back to the couch and sit down?  Repeat several times at high speed if your siblings wanted to watch the shows on the other two channels?  And if you wanted to enjoy an after school snack, the commercial times were so short you had to sprint to the kitchen, actually MAKE the food, and sprint back!  By then, the wrong channel was on again, so you’d have to overpower your siblings and wrestle for a place on the couch!  Yes, even sedentary activities burned more calories in the old days!  All for the privilege of watching Magilla Gorilla exasperate Mr. Peebles in glorious black and white!  Oh, and I forgot one thing!  In order to get channel 11, WPIX, you had to adjust the right rabbit ear to touch the steam radiator!  No wonder there were few fat kids despite the fact that some of us ate Twinkies and Kool Aid!  (The Twinkie came from a box, much as today, but Kool Aid was unsweetened powder in an envelope. You had to add water and sugar and exert yourself to stir it until the sugar dissolved!  If you wanted ice in your Kool Aid, you had to make it in an ice tray and wait for it to freeze.  After it was frozen, it took a good strong yank on the metal handle to crack the ice into cubes.)
Yes....I remember too!  :)
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on August 30, 2019, 04:49:06 PM
I don't think Jєωιѕн doctors are overprescribing opioids, my dude.

ALL hospitals -- no matter what the race of the doctor is (!?) have been overprescribing opioids for a long time. Wisdom teeth, back surgery, a busted knee, they just hand out Vicodin and other opiates like candy.
This.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: JezusDeKoning on August 30, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
The downvotes came out of nowhere. It's true that doctors have some part to play in the opioid crisis. They will prescribe an opioid, and some people get addicted and go to heroin.

Some of the blame is also on Big Pharma, and some of it is the sudden influx of fentanyl. They lace the heroin with fentanyl and overdoses spike.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Maria Regina on August 30, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
The downvotes came out of nowhere. It's true that doctors have some part to play in the opioid crisis. They will prescribe an opioid, and some people get addicted and go to heroin.

Some of the blame is also on Big Pharma, and some of it is the sudden influx of fentanyl. They lace the heroin with fentanyl and overdoses spike.
True.

Whenever my husband has had to have surgery, he is always prescribed about 10 times the amount of the common prescription narcotic that he really needs, no matter what doctor he sees. So, we must tell the doctor and pharmacist to reduce the number of narcotic pills from 20 to 2. Then the pharmacist tells us that if we reduce the amount of narcotic, then we cannot get a refill. In addition, if my husband starts to feels pain, then it will take time for the pain medicine to kick in. Furthermore, we will lose the quantity discount. And finally, we are told that repeated calls to the doctor for more pills will be a waste of his time, a waste of our time, and a waste of fuel and car mileage.

This threat of "real" pain encourages people to continue taking the medicine longer than they need. People are fed the fake pill pain narrative and are told to comply, trust their doctor, and follow all doctor's orders. The false narrative follows: if you do not trust your doctor, then you must be crazy, after all, doctors have spent years studying medicine and know what they are talking about -> mental pain.

So, we are threatened with fake narratives of physical pain, mental pain, pain of inconveniencing the doctor and pharmacist, and financial pain if we fail to comply with the fake prescription narrative.

::)

How did we ever go from eating out at restaurants to taking drugs and fentanyl?
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 30, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
I think the medical field in our area are full of greedy atheist pagans.  It didn’t happen overnight. It has gradually gotten worse.  They are to blame for opioid epidemic.  Doctors have become fancy legal drug dealers.  The hospitals are more concerned about making money.  So many unnecessary surgeries.   Many people in our area have had knee surgery instead of being told to lose weight.  They put so many people on dangerous drugs with serious side effects.  I know a few people with mental problems who have gotten worse with many meds.  
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: JezusDeKoning on September 01, 2019, 07:06:02 PM
You do not need opiates and you certainly, unless you are end-end-end-end-stage cancer, do not need Fentanyl. That's literally what it's prescribed for — very late stage cancer of whom literally nothing else is working.
Title: Re: Eating out -> Obesity + debt
Post by: Jews Did 911 on September 01, 2019, 10:32:09 PM
Take good care of your body. It's the only place you have to live.