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Offline 2Vermont

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Died Suddenly Debunked ?
« on: December 01, 2022, 08:00:35 PM »
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  • https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/101975

    Thoughts?

    Uggh...sorry.  It looks like you have to register to read.  When I opened it the first time I didn't have to.

    Heres a different one:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #1 on: December 01, 2022, 08:15:25 PM »
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  • :laugh1::laugh2::laugh1::laugh2:

    Seems like they protest too much. And to say vaccination protects against clots is just stupid.
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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #2 on: December 01, 2022, 08:24:04 PM »
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  • https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/101975

    Thoughts?

    Uggh...sorry.  It looks like you have to register to read.  When I opened it the first time I didn't have to.

    Heres a different one:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/
    Here it is

    Experts Debunk Claims From New Anti-Vax Docuмentary
    — "Died Suddenly," released on Twitter and Rumble, puts forth "blatant lies"
    by Michael DePeau-Wilson, Enterprise & Investigative Writer, MedPage Today  November 30, 2022

    A so-called docuмentary about COVID-19 vaccines prompted the latest social media effort by physicians to dispel dangerous medical misinformation.
    Jonathan Laxton, MD, of the University of Manitoba Max Rady College of Medicine in Winnipeg, is one of those experts leading the effort to set the record straight. He called the claims made in the film -- titled "Died Suddenly" -- "blatant lies."
    "My first impression was it's just basically over-the-top lies made to scare people away from getting the COVID-19 vaccine," Laxton told MedPage Today. "I think it's so over-the-top that it actually won't convince anybody who doesn't already believe it."

    "Died Suddenly" was simultaneously released on Twitter and Rumble on November 21, and has been viewed more than 12 million times.
    It features several embalmers and funeral directors who claim to be coming forward for the first time to share their concerns over supposedly unusual blood clots found in deceased individuals they prepared for burial. But the main individual featured in the film is Ryan Cole, MD, who has a history of promoting false claims about the COVID vaccines and cancer.
    Katrine Wallace, PhD, an epidemiologist at the University of Illinois -- Chicago School of Public Health, debunked several of the claims from the film on her social media accounts, where she has become known for her work in pushing back against public health disinformation. She said the film follows a consistent pattern for disinformation campaigns.
    "A lot of the tropes in this video are rehashed," Wallace told MedPage Today. "They just throw everything at the wall because something is going to appeal to someone's emotions."

    'Science Is Not Done on Rumble'
    The film focuses on two main claims against COVID-19 vaccines: extensive blood clots, and the sudden onset of cancer.
    Eric Burnett, MD, of Columbia University's Irving Medical Center, said neither of those claims holds up to scrutiny.
    "I see a lot of blood clots in the hospital," Burnett told MedPage Today. "Just looking at those blood clots from the movie, they look like very common postmortem blood clots, and I feel like it was just the shock and awe value of using these images of blood clots taken out of context to scare people."
    One scene in the film that featured the removal of a large blood clot during a heart surgery was actually footage of a pulmonary embolectomy in 2019, which Burnett discovered via a Google search.

    "To suggest that people are walking around with these massive clots filling up arteries and veins, without being symptomatic, without seeking medical attention for them, is a little hard to believe," Burnett said.

    As for the cancer claims, Laxton said Cole started pushing that misinformation in April 2021, just one month after most people had access to the COVID-19 vaccines.
    "[It's] biologically implausible for any carcinogens or cancer-causing agents to suddenly produce cancer within a month of exposure," he said.
    Wallace emphasized that these easily disproven claims underlie one of the most confounding elements of disinformation films like this one.
    "If this is happening, why do they not coordinate some effort to publish this case series of strange postmortem events so that the medical community can comment on it?" Wallace said. "If Dr. Ryan Cole really has seen hundreds of thousands of weird cases in his microscope, why is he not publishing those cases?"
    Wallace noted that when cases of myocarditis with the mRNA vaccines and blood clots linked to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine appeared, researchers published case studies and the medical community reviewed and commented on them. If cases like the ones presented in the film exist, then Cole should follow the standard scientific practice to review that data with the wider medical community, she said.




    Science is not done on Rumble," Wallace said. "That's not how we do things."
    Ongoing Fight Against Misinformation
    Experts said the constant fight against misinformation and disinformation can be exhausting.
    Wallace, who posts TikTok videos and Twitter threads debunking COVID misinformation, said she never intended to be a social media public health influencer. Nonetheless, she believes more researchers and healthcare professionals should consider sharing their perspectives with a wider audience.
    "I do encourage other people to do it too just because there is no end to the energy on the anti-vaccine and medical misinformation side of things to create new lies, recycle old lies, and create new content [to] scare people," Wallace said. "The more voices we have that are sensible voices, the more we get the right information out there the better, because people believe this."
    Burnett agreed that pushing back against false claims and misinformation is a necessary burden for medical professionals.

    "What's more concerning for me is that there's actual physicians that they had on that docuмentary who were propagating this nonsense," he said. "If it's just some random person -- like your conspiracy theorist uncle -- who's saying this stuff, that's one thing, but when there's a doctor who has credentials, those credentials carry a lot of weight."
    Having credentialed medical professionals pushing these false claims provides an air of legitimacy, Burnett said. It's becoming even more important to have conversations with patients about these claims, he added.
    If more medical professionals speak out against false claims like those made in this video, it will make the efforts to push back easier for everyone and less of the burden would fall to a few self-selected individuals, Laxton said. Still, the best thing medical professionals can do is talk to their patients about these topics, he added.

    "I think the [greatest] good healthcare workers can do is with individual patients," Laxton said. "Being aware of this information, and when you have a patient talking to you about it, you already have a trust relationship with them. That's very powerful to use that to help your patients out."
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      Michael DePeau-Wilson is a reporter on MedPage Today’s enterprise & investigative team. He covers psychiatry, long covid, and infectious 

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #3 on: December 01, 2022, 10:23:23 PM »
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  • 'Science Is Not Done on Rumble'
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    I guess we do now. Where else should we do it? In the mouth of Tony Fauci?


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    "To suggest that people are walking around with these massive clots filling up arteries and veins, without being symptomatic, without seeking medical attention for them, is a little hard to believe," Burnett said.

    :confused: Without symptoms? See, I'm not a doctor, but I think it's a symptom of a medical problem if a healthy professional athlete in his 20s is running down a field and suddenly grabs his chest and collapses to the ground. :facepalm:


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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #4 on: December 01, 2022, 10:52:27 PM »
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  • There's always been a link between athletes and sudden death, even before Covid. It's even bigger in soccer for some reason. The list is so long because there wasn't testing done until recently, and even then, only in those leagues with money.
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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #5 on: December 01, 2022, 11:12:32 PM »
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  • Bring in "Minnesota", Gene Simmons, and Howard Stern for spin control? Bill Maher too maybe?

    Club Random? Da vaxxines ... random riff. riff, riff, and jab. jab, jab, and riff.

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #6 on: December 01, 2022, 11:29:35 PM »
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  • I found the Bill Maher Gene Simmons Club Random clip JєωTubing "Israeli National Anthem", and there they were ... then "Dr." Albert Bourla studying up on the old 19th century hippocratic oath

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/x2CvsHu5GhE6/

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #7 on: December 01, 2022, 11:49:00 PM »
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  • There's always been a link between athletes and sudden death, even before Covid. It's even bigger in soccer for some reason. The list is so long because there wasn't testing done until recently, and even then, only in those leagues with money.
    Regarding this list doing a rough count of a not-too-scientific info:
    during the years 2021-2022 (not even 2 years) it lists a total of 43 deaths.
    Previous to that, between 2016 and 2020, (5 years) - a total of 43 deaths.
    Then counting down from the first entry, 1889 to 1977, a period of 88 years, 43 players died.
    Besides the list includes injuries and natural death.

    Nothing to see here.
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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #8 on: December 01, 2022, 11:52:58 PM »
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  • The anti-Semitic conpsriacy theory is that the goyim are not only going to continue their shifts in bankruptcy and delusion, but they're going to be dying in big numbers over the next four or five years ... from the vaccines. It may take some crackers two years to get sick and two years to die ... add another year for convenience.

    If graphene oxide or hydroxide (besides the spiked protein) is in the shot, the patient is going to die. However, nobody will die from saline and Vitamin B, so talk to your doctor, and insist on saline and Vitamin B.

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #9 on: December 02, 2022, 12:08:33 AM »
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  • What also needs to be debunked are the Babylonian тαℓмυd and Kabbalah besides Frank and Zevi and Saturn in Scorpio.

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #10 on: December 02, 2022, 12:10:22 AM »
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  • I forgot the Bank of England and the World Economic Forum.


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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #11 on: December 02, 2022, 09:08:40 AM »
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  • I found the Bill Maher Gene Simmons Club Random clip JєωTubing "Israeli National Anthem", and there they were ... then "Dr." Albert Bourla studying up on the old 19th century hippocratichypocritic oath

    Fixed it above :laugh1:

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2022, 09:21:38 AM »
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  • they put 5% of lies in 95% truth so to discount the whole thing. 
    Apparently the video of the removal of the large BLOOD clot during heart surgery was from before 2019 so not applicable at all.
    The amyloid clot structures are real however.

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #13 on: December 02, 2022, 09:40:17 AM »
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  • they put 5% of lies in 95% truth so to discount the whole thing.
    Apparently the video of the removal of the large BLOOD clot during heart surgery was from before 2019 so not applicable at all.
    The amyloid clot structures are real however.
    So is it true that they used footage from a 2019 heart surgery? If so, why would they do that and risk ruining the whole message?  It wasn't necessary.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Died Suddenly Debunked ?
    « Reply #14 on: December 02, 2022, 10:31:19 AM »
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  • In the other thread, I complained about the fact that the docuмentary is essentially a music video supercut to conspiracy footage. Every once in a while the music video gets interrupted for some actual information (mainly, the morticians and their clot findings-- which is a story that could have been told in fifteen minutes, and is the only new information the video had to offer as far as I can tell).  The heart surgery clips seemed off to me when I watched it so I'm not surprised to learn they have nothing to do with any COVID or vax patient.
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    The docuмentary was pretty clearly designed to grift right wingers by appealing to their sensibilities. 
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    I'm very cynical of alt-media because time and time again they are found to be pulling the same dishonest, non-argumentative tricks that mainstream media pulls.  Everyone has a narrative and the facts be damned.
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    That said, the OP's article is just propaganda from the other side:
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    One of the quoted morticians says that the clots are due to bodies being kept in freezers longer than usual, and that they are being kept in freezers because there are so many bodies to process. Well why are there so many more bodies than usual? And why do they all have these clots now, when they didn't during the initial wave of COVID prior to the vax?  Morticians in the docuмentary claimed that not only were they personally unfamiliar with such clots, but that they networked with dozens (hundreds?) of other morticians who also had never seen anything like them before. Are all of them wrong? Maybe; maybe they're all lying so you'll give your money to Stew Peters. But that's a harder pill to swallow than to suppose that the one quoted mortician from the article is wrong. Ditto the doctor they quote.
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    And then there's the fact that the article basically concludes that the vax works and is harmless because science says so.  This is just a cope.  Where there is smoke there is fire. Something is very probably wrong with the vax.  We don't know more because the people who would be responsible for researching the problems with it are the same people who are incentivized to keep distributing it. 
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    TL;DR: everything's manipulative propaganda and neither the docuмentarian nor his debunkers seem to care about real people who are walking around with time bombs in their veins.
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